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RE: Hobbico FlyZone® Piper J-3 Cub RTF - 6/25/2008 4:46:24 AM   
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OUTSIDE LOOPS?

What a wonderful way to unwind. By hand launching the Cub today and enjoying its comfortably slow, nicely stable and very scale flight performance I couldn't ask for a more effective flying catharsis experience.

After two stressful high G maneuvering fighter plane missions today, with ominously turbulent wind whipping around, I thought I would go ahead and at least put up one flight with the Cub, more out of obligation to modeling than any real desire to do any more flying. Once in the air things changed.

The Cub usually gets treated with a little less respect than it deserves by flying later in the day when the turbulence is up. The wind was so strong the little ship made very slow progress when headed directly into the wind at cruising speed. But it flew so well that the earlier stress began to immediately drain away.

The thermals were fun. I was actually enjoying the slow flight pattern of upwind very lazy figure eight and long oval circling flight so much that I couldn't resist going ahead and putting up yet another flight. Some day I am actually going to do the right thing and learn to ROG, use the rudder, etc., but for now the Cub is my "motor powered glider therapy flyer."

On one of my descents from thermal soaring I dove dead stick straight down and tried a dead stick outside loop. Only managed to pull out into inverted flight. No problem, who needs to do outside loops with a Cub anyway? On my next flight running on a little heavier, little weaker Lipo, as I was diving dead stick straight down I slammed in full power and tried an outside loop again. Got a little further around but couldn't hack the mission. I have some other props and batteries to experiment with and will see what a nice cool dense air day will make possible some time in the future.

Got'a go to fighter pilot debriefing now while the details are still fresh.

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RE: Hobbico FlyZone® Piper J-3 Cub RTF - 6/25/2008 5:31:37 AM   
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Sorry Fellas (Hemi, Web & Derek) for being absent on this thread.

Also welcome to the CUB CLUB AstroDad !!

Well, guys I'm still flying and still buying. I now know my fiancee truly loves me despite I cheat on her with my planes. Oh how I love them. I can say it "I'm areonautical Junkie and proud of it"! I'll get off work and somehow (coughing) end up at the park with two or three of my darlings with me ready to fly (not counting my heli E-Flite CX2). Six more planes have joined my fleet since my last post. And my soon-to-be-wife didn't get mad or yell or give me hell, she just said "as long as your happy sweetie". I knew then either this is a set-up for something big or this woman is to good to be true. LOL. Also, b4 i forget Happy Belated Father's Day to you all. My family is so funny that for Father's day they got me Hanging Hooks for my planes to put on the garage wall. Oh, what a hint to say " we love you, now give us our garage back"! Did any of you get a simular gift?
But the best news I got for you guys is if any of you are looking for some REAL bargains go to RC SUPERSTORE. I just got a Super Cub with all the fixings. Extra Prop, Extra battery, Free Drop Module (for dropping bombs and Parachutes) and FREE SHIPPING all for the regular price of the Super Cub at your LHS. I also have been building a brushless J-3 Cub and Sky Fly. I have bought all the parts and have been putting my own electronics in it. I have been doing both projects at the same time. I want to see the fly characteristics of these birds with some new life in them. Also, a great buy is the P-51 Mustang both Flat out and Parkzone verison. My flying club(DCAM) Douglas County AeroModelers here in Georgia have posted a few of our pylon races on YOU TUBE and I will make sure I have the links to a few of our races for ya'll to see. I will update as soon as I can from my new endeavours. I wish you all Good Flying and More Smiling.

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RE: Hobbico FlyZone® Piper J-3 Cub RTF - 6/25/2008 6:51:20 AM   
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Welcome back Talent 5,
It's good to hear you're still with your FZ cub. I'm too committed and bullheaded and broke to give up on the Flying Yellow Turd as I have fondly renamed mine. I recently went to an all electric fly- in at the nearest club (50 miles) and met some nice people who took time out to talk to me and answer alot of questions I had and I actually gonna have an instructor to help with battle with Earth's gravity Because without a proper field or guidance I'm setup for failure. So hopefully this weekend My piloting skills will increase and if I increase my skills I then have to talk the wife into letting me increase my hanger collection!!

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RE: Hobbico FlyZone® Piper J-3 Cub RTF - 6/27/2008 4:33:58 AM   
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I thought I would check in. The little cub has finally been recycled into a Fling 2M non-powered glider which is using the radio and servos.

Once I had given up on the cub, I purchased an Arrow 40 glow plane. I have been having a blast with the Arrow! I have gone through over a gallon of fuel and only had one close call (lost control at low altitude), no crashes, and not even a hard landing, knock on wood.

I have not gotten the glider too far away yet, but was wondering, do you think the cub’s radio gear will work at long range that the glider might go, or was the cub designed to stay in close like you would expect for a park flyer?

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RE: Hobbico FlyZone® Piper J-3 Cub RTF - 6/27/2008 6:08:45 AM   
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AstroDad, interesting type of flying. I think you are safe up to 600-700 feet. My one meter plus wing span PF planes that can just barely be seen at that altitude perform quite well. The Cub was so high today I really couldn't tell what it was doing except getting smaller and smaller. I flew a lot of dead stick maneuvers while bringing her back to a more visable altitude. Found ranges on the web for popular PFs to be from 1300 - 2500 feet.

Talent, great to see you back! Your unique enthusiasm and pure joy of modeling has been missed. You have more than made up for your absence with your post. Glad things are working out so well for you. You live very close to some family members my wife and I plan to visit in the fall. Do you think it might be possible for us to get together for some flying and/or some visiting?

Hemi, it's good to see you still having fun.

derek, I understand your work situation having been in a similar condition myself, so don't let us stress you out about our airplane stuff. Looking forward to learning about some of your new adventures.

I hope we can get some former posting flyers back and posting about their current activities.

Today's flying schedule was to have been low key, starting with a couple of long relaxing Accipiter Badius flights and then ending with three shorter flights flying the Cub. For some strange reason the motor on the AB would not run. Very strange because it performed perfectly last time out.

It was very turbulent and windy on the smaller site I chose to fly on today, but I was determined to run down all five (5) batteries that I had peak charged. I allowed adequate cool down time between flights so as not to cook the motor though it seemed to never get hot, possibly compliments of the extra cooling my modifications may have made possible. I wasn't in the mood to experiment with props, etc. but it was interesting to notice the performance difference between the 2 ounce batteries and the 3.5 ounce ones.

The first flight with a "heavy" battery demonstrated very noticeably slow Cub climbing performance below about 300 feet. Evidently the good thermals at higher altitude were what created a false sense of security as the big battery seemed to
be adequate at altitude. The really noticeable problem was how quickly the plane dropped out of the sky when the battery gave up compared to the lighter batteries.

Stalling behavior was checked and seemed to be nicely normal. I wasn't in the mood to try any nice recognizable "Chandelles." Instead, there was the "comfort zone maneuvers" of loops, aileron rolls, rudder rolls, inside and outside barrel rolls, and a spin. A stall turn would also be a nice maneuver to perfect. I never remember to think to try it. One maneuver that needs to be tried someday is to start with a power dive, pull straight up and aileron roll, then at the exact point where the plane stops going up, quickly reverse the ailerons, and if it can be done correctly it should continue rolling a time or two while dropping tail first before it tries to fall out of the sky. My Spitfire should be able to do it if my Cub can't.

HAPPY FLYING ALL!

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RE: Hobbico FlyZone® Piper J-3 Cub RTF - 6/27/2008 7:18:36 PM   
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Great to see everyone back and talking again. This thread seemed to fade for a few weeks. I have been missing my cub so I ordered a new fuse so I can get it back in the air. I will definately be making some reinforcements to the tail end this time though. I hate losing a plane to structure failure. It is bad enough when it is pilot err, but when the plane just gives out on you and all you can do is watch it spiral to the ground it is frustrating.

I have gotten my mini pulse back up after a not so recent crash. I had to rebuild from the wing to the front of the plane. I found out that I had a faulty servo that caused that crash, so I upgraded to hitec carbonite gears. What a difference!

I also am getting a stryker for my birthday! I am very excited about that, although I am a bit nervous about the speed.

Still haven't gotten my Slow Poke Sport 40 up. I attempted to get the engine started last week, but I need to get more field equipment. Especially an electric starter.

Glad to see everyone back.

Happy Flying

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RE: Hobbico FlyZone® Piper J-3 Cub RTF - 6/28/2008 5:50:43 AM   
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Mad Web- I didn't know you also flew the "AB" ? I was looking at possible buying one or two (saw a 2 fer $69 deal on a site)
Of the "AB" what do you think? Also the Shun Da J-3 cub doesn't look too bad either...saw one in army OD green.(also $69)

Derek- I think the thread died out for a couple of weeks because we all had parts on backorder!

I'm supposed to maiden my ELECTRISTAR this weekend (with an instructor no less) weather permitting of course!

Good luck to all who leave Terra Firma!

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RE: Hobbico FlyZone® Piper J-3 Cub RTF - 6/29/2008 6:34:59 AM   
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HEMI, yes, the AB is my very favorite trainer/demonstrator. Here is the url for a sample of my discussions about it:
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_6091747/anchors_6126801/mpage_1/key_/anchor/tm.htm#6126801

Before testing my Cub in the 100 degree temperature air today my now repaired AB with its modified and lightened simi-symmetrical wing was flown with one of my 1800mAh LiPos that weighs in at 3.5 ounces - got a just barely recognizable outside loop with the combo. It turned out that a motor electrical feed wire had "burned loose" on a bad motor connection terminal. The ship is good as new now.

I finally learned a very valuable lesson about electric soldering irons that might help others who find soldering to be difficult at times. Before plugging the iron in I tightened the screws holding the element that touches the solder/work. It finally dawned on me that by tightening them while the element was cool before heat expansion made for a really tight element once the iron heated up. Also before plugging the iron in I used a fine file to get the tip element filed down to pure copper. I then coated the tip with flux, plugged in the iron and when it got hot I "tinned" the tip all over with solder. Soldering with this iron turned out to be a very satisfying experience.

Did some experimenting with props today. The APC 7x4 on the Cub might perform better or at least as well as the stock prop - more experimentation needed to be sure. A neat thing about today is that the air density was within 5% of "mile high" air density as a result of pure temperature.

Both planes suffered noticeably in performance from that of beautiful cool "dense sea level air days." A "rule of thumb" that I use to predict air conditions is to assume a 4% drop in air density for for every 10 degrees F rise in air temperature.

derek, in a post around the time of the above AB thread a father introducing his kids to modeling actually found that they were able to fly the STRYKER more easily than the normally recommended motor powered glider approach. A little terror is normal, however, but we are pulling for you. The STRYKER is a very refined airplane that I am sure you will enjoy - lots'a posts written about it!

These last two trips of mine out to the flying field have been very pleasant with only minor anxiety, and with joyful anticipation of flight. That will cease if my new Spitfire batteries arrive this week. Eventually, I expect to actually be able to enjoy flying my Spit. It is fast, I still lose orientation when flying it, and there is that nagging fear that I will surely suffer from "brain fade" at a critical moment and destroy this beautiful piece of flying art. I am not sure that I am emotionally equipped to handle such a tragedy.

Astro Dad, how are you getting your glider up to soaring altitude? Just out of curiosity what is the wing loading on your glider?

Until next time,

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RE: Hobbico FlyZone® Piper J-3 Cub RTF - 6/29/2008 9:10:57 PM   
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Well, I am back in business!

I repaired my cub this weekend. I fabricated a new tial out of wood. I simply sketched the outline of the old HS and cut it out of a sheet of wood. I used a dremel to cut lightening holes and then covered it. It is far more solid than the foam. It is a little heavier, so I am going to have to rebalance the plane. I know weight is bad for this plane, but I will be putting in a lipo and possibly a brushless motor soon. I don't want to create a beast, just a dependable plane that will always be a pleasure to fly. The new tail looks great. I covered it in clear blue. I think I am going to add some more blue to the plane just to balance the color scheme out, although it looks good with a blue horizontal stab. Can't wait for a calm day to try this baby out again.

I also got my Stryker all set up and ready to go. The foam on it seems sooooo much more durable than the Hobbico cub foam. I am very excited about this plane.

I even got to fly my mini pulse successfully for the first time since my rebuild and I have gotten in a few hovering sessions with my Blade CPP.

Now I just need to get my nitro plane up in the air.

Happy Flying!


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RE: Hobbico FlyZone® Piper J-3 Cub RTF - 6/30/2008 1:06:35 AM   
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derek, HAPPY BIRTHDAY! I finally found the post about the STRYKER you might find encouraging.

Where Did You Get Your First Park Flyer?
(Please see post # 21)
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_6121439/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm

Keep us posted on your flying adventures.

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RE: Hobbico FlyZone® Piper J-3 Cub RTF - 7/1/2008 6:43:16 AM   
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Hi Guys,

Was supposed to maiden the Electristar with an Instructor I met last weekend at a Fly-in. Got rained out
So I did a little repair tweeking on the FZ Cub and charged up the three batteries for my next battle with gravity.

Have fun

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RE: Hobbico FlyZone® Piper J-3 Cub RTF - 7/1/2008 10:47:26 PM