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Mode One -> Balsa USA 1/4th scale Nieuport 28 (10/28/2007 1:40:43 PM)

In a couple weeks I plan to start on my BUSA Nieuport 28. I have to clean off the work bench, finish a couple other projects first, then I'll get going. I wonder if other modelers are thinking of, starting on, finished with; or, what ever stages in between on this aeroplane and would like to talk and exchange ideas, thoughts, etc. Building the 1/3rd version, or Proctor's iteration of this aeroplane? Jump right on in!

My first thought is the prototype or model used for advertizements by BUSA, colors seem wrong. Maybe too much green, or wrong color green? My Data File shows how I want to end up, anyway.

If this is a project your into, lets hear from you!

Mark



papermache -> RE: Balsa USA 1/4th scale Nieuport 28 (10/28/2007 3:47:43 PM)

Mode,
I built the 1/4 scale BUSA version about 2 years ago. It's a very enjoyable build. Parts cut and wood quality are great, and the instructions are very well done. Follow them. Frame-up is very straightforward.
Wing alignment and strut setup was a bit of a chore for me, but it went fairly well by following the instructions and using some of the alignment skills I've acquired through work.
One thing to note - there's some crucial soldering involved in this model. The interplane struts, for instance, have to be soldered together in place. If you're not very good at soldering, get some materials and practice until you are. That's what I had to do.
I'd recommend Solartex for covering. Great stuff. I painted mine with acrylics according to the Datafile pattern (NO! the box paintjob is NOT scale!) and sprayed on a polyurethane clearcoat. It's held up very well.
Hope you enjoy building yours as much as I did mine. Feel free to PM me if you get stuck or have a question. Maybe we can both figure out a solution. Good luck.

papermache



R101 -> RE: Balsa USA 1/4th scale Nieuport 28 (10/28/2007 5:45:11 PM)

As papermache says - easy build and a great flying model. Wing section is not scale though - should be undercambered.

Mine is leccy powered.

[image]http://www.weaver19.eclipse.co.uk/Nieuport%20at%20field%202-06-07.jpg[/image]



Mode One -> RE: Balsa USA 1/4th scale Nieuport 28 (10/28/2007 7:15:10 PM)

Balsa USA states they change things to make their airplanes better/easier flying models. There are only a few views where a person can tell that this model doesn't have an undercambered airfoil and I'm O.K. with that. I think they may have widened the landing gear stance and maybe made the nose longer. I'm unsure of these possibilities and if they have made the changes, again that's fine. I don't compete. Just love building and flying for fun.



papermache -> RE: Balsa USA 1/4th scale Nieuport 28 (10/28/2007 10:51:40 PM)

guys,
Yes, the BUSA models have done all those things to make their models good fliers. Some people modify the changes to get them more scale. If true scale is your bag, go ahead and modify, or get a Proctor, Arizona or Glenn Torrence kit and be prepared to pay their prices. Then you get true scale.
The BUSA kits "look the part" and they fly very well. In the air it's hard to tell who's got the undercambered airfoil, true length LG or whatever else. Go with what you truly want and what your resources tell you you can afford.

papermache



Mode One -> RE: Balsa USA 1/4th scale Nieuport 28 (10/29/2007 12:17:54 AM)

Great looking aeroplane R101!



R101 -> RE: Balsa USA 1/4th scale Nieuport 28 (10/29/2007 2:56:31 PM)

Thanks Mode 1
A wee video of it flying
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cCy4oRA5tU



Mode One -> RE: Balsa USA 1/4th scale Nieuport 28 (10/31/2007 11:36:32 AM)

I've finished one of the two projects I need to get done before starting on my N28. I'm re-reading the Data File and am thinking about which pilots plane to build, thinking Rickinbackers has been done many times.



Nickrc3 -> RE: Balsa USA 1/4th scale Nieuport 28 (10/31/2007 1:55:54 PM)

I'll be clearcoating my Balsa USA N-28 this weekend. Power is a Saito 170-3-R.
It was an enjoyable build; however, you will quickly find contradicting information between the plans and instruction booklet. The strut construction was tricky. Incidence angles were odd. I also built 2 degrees of positive incidence into the horizontal stab.

I used automotive basecoats for the finish (only becuase I had them available) and handpainted all graphics, including roundels and the rat terriers.

I'll be posting pictures of it once assembled. Hope to test fly it in two weeks.

NICK



Mode One -> RE: Balsa USA 1/4th scale Nieuport 28 (10/31/2007 10:24:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Nickrc3

I also built 2 degrees of positive incidence into the horizontal stab.

NICK


At another thread on this aeroplane on the Aerodrome Forum, another person also mentioned adding positive incidence to the stabilizer, stating it would help decrese the amount of down trim needed. Very interested in the trim situation with your airplane, Nick!



Nickrc3 -> RE: Balsa USA 1/4th scale Nieuport 28 (11/1/2007 2:48:57 AM)

The positive stab incidence is fairly common with their designs. Built their DR1 last year and wished I'd added some to it. She requires quite a bit of engine down thrust, with down elevator.

NICK





Mode One -> RE: Balsa USA 1/4th scale Nieuport 28 (11/2/2007 11:33:51 AM)

R101, Who's airplane is this in the 94th and are you Tmoth4 over in the Aerodrome Forum?



R101 -> RE: Balsa USA 1/4th scale Nieuport 28 (11/2/2007 12:49:14 PM)

The Nieuport 28 is modelled on the aircraft flown by Jimmy Meissner, as depicted on the rear cover of the Windsock International mag (vol 17 No.3).

I chose that one as it only has one M/G fitted and the number "8" is fairly easy to do using masking tape.

However the cowl stripes were not easy to do.

The bond poster on the lower wing has been a bit of a talking point at the local field.

Tmoth4 is someone else.



Mode One -> RE: Balsa USA 1/4th scale Nieuport 28 (11/2/2007 11:03:24 PM)

Tmoth4 has modeled Meissner's airplane, also. What did you do to portray the Bond poster?



R101 -> RE: Balsa USA 1/4th scale Nieuport 28 (11/2/2007 11:19:42 PM)

Just scanned ansd printed the poster from the Datafile and stuck it on



Mode One -> RE: Balsa USA 1/4th scale Nieuport 28 (11/3/2007 2:34:24 AM)

Well, almost ready to start. I'm thinking about power, so what seems to power the N28 adequately. I like my planes to have reserve power; but, I'm not interested in hovering. I'm interested in hearing about electric power, but, feel electric for this large a plane is cost prohibitive. I'm actually leaning towards gasoline. I build average in weight with a painted finish. Leaning twoards latex, due to the ease of having all the colors mixed at a local paint store. Opinions?



mileshawk -> RE: Balsa USA 1/4th scale Nieuport 28 (11/3/2007 3:51:25 AM)

I am finished with my build of the BUSA N- 28. with covering and finish to go. I built it to have a WW1 bipe to fly while I built a real scale model. The BUSA Nieuport is a good flier as built to plan but badly out of scale. The wing sections are extremly thick, the fin/rudder/stab( stab in the wrong place) the wrong shape and heavy, the landing gear is 50% wider than necessary and and not close to the scale construction. The wing and center section struts are the wrong shape and in the wrong position. I also included 1* positive to the tail as on the full-size. The wing incidence as measured on the plans is not correct but the aircraft flies well if not overpowered. I have cut down the Airfoil thickness ( these things fly OK with much less attention to standard RC sections). I usually go with the scale section. Not much undercamber in the Nieuport section but it can be be thickened to straighten the wing. I planned to have the rigging carry the load so built the wing in separate panels. Unfortunately I have spent over a year and a half to get this far. I am an active flier and like a lot of you building time comes in spurts. I think I have improved a few things in this kit to make it a representation of this aircraft that suits me and I will be happy to take it anywhere. About colors; the windsock three view is very good. One thing to think about; the French airplanes in WW1 were painted with lacquer or dope with about 40% silver powder mixed in. I have seen samples and it looks like the metalic paint on your automobile. Try to find the datafile on this aircraft from Albatros publications. Or go to the new aerospace museum at Dullas in Wash. DC and look at the Meissner aircraft as it really is. A beautiful thing. Vic



Mode One -> RE: Balsa USA 1/4th scale Nieuport 28 (11/3/2007 12:34:45 PM)

Mileshawk, Obviously scale fidility means more to you then it does to me. Having your desire to have a close scale representation, I wonder why you didn't build from scratch or build Proctor's offering. However, to each his own. Having a box of wood to start with and do as much as you can to get close to scale, is a challenge for sure!



RCPilot100 -> RE: Balsa USA 1/4th scale Nieuport 28 (11/3/2007 2:14:27 PM)

Bought the kit at Toledo two shows ago - my buddy framed it up for me - bought a G26 from RcIgnitions - covered it with Balsa USAs covering - sprayed it with Rustoleum - used BUSAs decal set which I would not do again, woud use stencils and spray with Rustoleum - clear coated it with Minwax Satin Poly - and having all kinds of fun flying it. Not real scale, but it looks good enough that it gets all kinds of attention.

Dan



Mode One -> RE: Balsa USA 1/4th scale Nieuport 28 (11/3/2007 5:47:57 PM)

I haven't gotten to the decals in the box yet, are they water transfer (I hope) or pressure stick on?



RCPilot100 -> RE: Balsa USA 1/4th scale Nieuport 28 (11/3/2007 7:48:21 PM)

They are water transfer. Be careful using a water based poly clear coat - it will try to lift the decal. Also, the roundel they give with set is sort of a pain to get down flat - well the surface is not flat - so you will have to be careful. This is the main reason I will use stencils next time and paint.

Dan



Mode One -> RE: Balsa USA 1/4th scale Nieuport 28 (11/3/2007 11:01:49 PM)

Did you use Solva-Set, or another decal setting solution when you applied them? I have always found water slide decals to be the best way to get great looking decals. However, painting is the true to life method.



BobH -> RE: Balsa USA 1/4th scale Nieuport 28 (11/4/2007 12:15:27 AM)

Mode. do you think people would pay for a seat like this?.. any one interested? (I made it)



RCPilot100 -> RE: Balsa USA 1/4th scale Nieuport 28 (11/4/2007 2:10:55 AM)

NICE!



Mode One -> RE: Balsa USA 1/4th scale Nieuport 28 (11/4/2007 12:42:53 PM)

BobH, I sure think they would! It looks wonderful; but, labor intensive! What did you use to weave the chair from? My data File shows the N28 to have had a wood lattis chair, made from thin veniers.

Yesterday I completed the last project and cleaned up my bench and surrounding area. I laid out the plans and made up a 1/4 scale ruler. I took my data File, turned to the 1/48th 5 view and used my 1/48th scale to examine some dimensions on the plans. I've found BUSA to have used the correct rib spacing and the ailerons are very close to the scale size. I've also found the interplane struts to be located close ot scale with no reason why the can't be moved to the exact scale location. The upper wing dimensions also appear correct.

I'm thinking I may start gluing today!

Any body have a good way to take the curl out of rolled plans?



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