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RE: Working on my HBFP flying skills - 10/31/2007 9:25:39 PM

GarageFlyer

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xodarap1,
Thank you for your hint!! "As for flying it in the 3-6 & 6-9 o'clock positions, just remember that when it's flying that way and starts to tilt or slide a bit, just move your right stick under the lower part of the rotor slowly and that will level things right off."
That hint totally clicks for me. I started with a CX2 and after a month bought a HB FP. I've got tail in hoving mastered but always get confused with nose in. Even after Sim time, I just haven't got the muscle memory locked in yet. I've had to stop and think, "ok facing me so right will do this..." But thinking of moving the stick under the rotor to adjust it for nose in should do the trick! Thanks!

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RE: Working on my HBFP flying skills - 10/31/2007 11:34:15 PM

xodarap1

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No problem GarageFlyer. That's the only thing that clicked for me as well because it is just reaction instead of thinking about what to do.

high flyer 777, let's say that when you are hovering tail in that they heli is in the 12 o'clock position and nose in would be 6 o'clock positon. What I meant in that post was when the heli is facing you (facing in any of the 3-6 & 6-9 o'clock positions..or close to it), when the bird is banking, tilting or sliding to one side, simply move the right stick towards the low side of the rotor and the bird will correct itself. If they bird is banking to your left (it's right) when it's facing you, you move right stick left.
When i flew planes and the plane was flying towards me it was then called " low wing gets the stick" to correct and bring it back to level flight. Heli controls are the same in that regard really so "low rotor gets the stick".
I'm sorry if i'm confusing you but i really don't know any other way to explain it. Maybe someone else here can help me out to put it into better words.

This forum rocks and the folks here are a great bunch for sure. I'm so thankful for this hobby and to be here with such cool people.

Steve

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RE: Working on my HBFP flying skills - 10/31/2007 11:50:09 PM

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I got it now. It makes sense. Also when I was reading your post. I remembered
recently reading that tactic about RC planes in a hobby mag. Thanks. That
really helps. I knew there had to be some manuver to correct what I was not
doing. My heli is set-up well, trims & all. I guess I can tell cause I don't have to
fight any of the commands I give it & it will hover 1 to 2 seconds on it's own.
You guys on this forum are the best. You really do care & try to make us better
pilots and keep us from not getting frustrated and giving up.

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RE: Working on my HBFP flying skills - 11/7/2007 10:21:04 PM

high flyer 777

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Well I ordered a couple of basic parts online in order to get my HBFP back up
in the air. Boy I sure have become a good R/C mechanic since I started flying.
Anyway, I moved the fly bar weights in as suggested. It really does seem to
hover, fly, and respond better. I moved the weights in close to the ball links,
but made sure they did not touch the links.

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RE: Working on my HBFP flying skills - 11/7/2007 10:46:04 PM

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one little simple mod i did...i opened up the TX..took a small pc of gas tubing and slid it over the little metal piece that makes the clinking feel when you move the throttle up and down....throttle is awhole lot smoother, and i finally got the HB over my head in hover right after i did this...just felt like i had a tad more control of the throttle

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RE: Working on my HBFP flying skills - 11/20/2007 2:45:36 AM

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I have the Super Skid kit on my HBFP. I had mentioned earlier on this thread that when I was in
forward or side to side motion that my heli seemed to tilt, or dip alot. Well I lightend the tail a bit
by removing the carbon rod and also sliding the horizontal fin a couple of inches up the boom,
closer to the middle of the boom. Taking some weight off the tail. I think the heli was tail heavy
and it seems to have leveled off more when it is in motion now. (the hover is always level)

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RE: Working on my HBFP flying skills - 11/21/2007 9:01:37 PM

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HI- very new to Heli flying although a fixed wing RC pilot for many years. Decided on the Honey Bee FP with lipo just because it looked good and claimed to be a decent first ride for beginners. I didn't want any of the counter-rotating blade setups because I figured I'd get bored too soon. (As of now, I'm beginning to wonder about the wisdom of that decision.) So, I am slowly trying to get it airborne without causing serious damage. So far, a few nicks here and there and one broken linkage to the rotor head that I have been able to glue back. I bought some training gear but it seems to be that it just bogs the thing down. Never considered moving the fly-bar weghts IN, as they advertise OUT for the newbies.

Two things that I am having issue with- (1) the blades seem to be "out of track", but to me it's hard to see which one requires adjustment. Also, just bending the things seems somewhat less than precise. (2) the manual says to slide the battery forward in the tray until the thing balances either level or slightly nose down. The Lipo will not cause this affect without nearly loading it in under the reciever. I called the Hobby Lobby folks who told me that it is just because of the light weight battery and the thing will fly "fine" with balance being slightly tail low.

Also, as many have previously written, the FSM software is not compatible with Vista, but hopefully I have the download to help that situation.

Any thoughts or advice that y'all have would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

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RE: Working on my HBFP flying skills - 11/21/2007 9:59:18 PM

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I am very much the beginner. Started w/coax. Got them down. Working on the HBFP.
As I have learned on my own, but mostly from experienced flyers on this forum that
have been super helpful as I have had questions along the way.

Set-up is the most important thing. If a heli is not set-up properly. You will not fly
it very easy. You will not know if it is you or the heli if it is not flying correctly.
Level the swash plate. Trims will need to most likely be adjusted. Adjust one at a
time. Your heli when properly adjusted should hover 1-2 seconds on it's own. That's
a pretty good indicator that it's set up right. I use a 7.4 800mah lipo battery. I just
slide it up to the front on the bottom of the canopy. When I lift the HBFP by the fly
bars the CG is level. Someone mentioned to me on this thread to move the fly bar
weights close to the ball links and it would not tilt or dip to the side as easliy and
fly more level. It worked. Flys much better!
Use baby steps when learning to fly. Hover. Then when you get that, turn it to the
right and hover, then back to tail in. Then work on turning it to the left, and then
tail in. Then nose in and then back to 90 degree and tail in. You must learn these
or you will not be in control, if you just try to do forward flight. You might get a little
lucky. But you will crash, don't be tempted. Just learn how to contol it. It contols
you, or you contol it.
I have found heli flying very challenging, but very rewarding, and highly addicting.
I have to fly every day. Even if it's just in my living room. I live in MN & it's getting
quite cold w/a few snow flakes in the air already.
All the best.

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RE: Working on my HBFP flying skills - 11/21/2007 11:20:52 PM

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Should have mentioned about the blades. They can be bent. Plastic can be changed
by temp. & plain just loose it's shape. I really haven't had a problem w/that though.
Your blades should not be screwed down tight and when you spin up the heli you
should not have hardly any vibration. That's one good way to tell if the blades are
o.k. Parts are cheap. Keep some of the common ones around stocked up in case
of a crash. You don't want to wait a week for delivery and lose down flying time.
www.jaghobbies.com Esky parts are only $3.00 for shippping for your entire parts
order. No miniumum or maximum parts order.

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RE: Working on my HBFP flying skills - 11/26/2007 3:05:31 AM

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thx high flyer- so, I am taking it VERY slowly, no doubt about it. I appreciate the previous advice.

My first inclination was to slowly bump up throttle to get to first a few inches, then maybe a few feet, off the floor. However, it seems that if you stay at a middle throttle setting the bird wants to scoot across the surface, tilting and yawing, etc. But, once you give it a squirt of throttle, she moves up and off and can then be a bit more controllable. Is this due to "ground effect"? And, more importantly, is it normal? I've found that just bumping the gas and getting it off the floor offers me more oportunity to actually fly with the controls doing what they should.

I don't think the control orientation will be that big of a deal with the "tail in" vs "sideways" vs "nose in" thing, maybe because of previous RC experience. I am anxious, however, to keep the thing within a 3 foot radius of where I take off.

Again, I appreciate your help.

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RE: Working on my HBFP flying skills - 11/26/2007 9:12:12 AM

UH60Mech

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Xodarap

Please elaborate on that last tip you mentioned... I'm trying to picture it in my head (Not near my bird or sim), but it doesn't work out right in my head...(at least not the way I'm interpreting what you said...) If I interpret what you are saying right... if i am nose in and the bird slides to the right (right side of the disk would be lower...) if I move my right stick to the right it would correct to the left (as I am looking at the bird nose in). but that does not seem to apply if I am looking at the side of the bird.. (nose at 3 o'clock)

thanks

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RE: Working on my HBFP flying skills - 11/29/2007 4:37:42 PM

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Yes, the ground effect will have some bearing on the heli at heights to
around 3-4 ft. It's no big thing as you get the feel of the heli the more
you fly it. Taking off is also a feel of where your fingers & thumbs will
be on the sticks when you jump into the air. I think that is one of those
beginner things that most of us did when we first started to lift off, was
not enough lift & the heli turned to the left or maybe it tipped over. It's
a confidence & experience thing. All part of the steps in progressing to
the next manuver.
Just keep learning the next step, & always go back to the first steps
you learned and keep putting the pieces of the flying puzzle together
till you get the big picture.
Good luck FlyingHigh!

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RE: Working on my HBFP flying skills - 11/29/2007 5:05:35 PM

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quote:

Xodarap

Please elaborate on that last tip you mentioned... I'm trying to picture it in my head (Not near my bird or sim), but it doesn't work out right in my head...(at least not the way I'm interpreting what you said...) If I interpret what you are saying right... if i am nose in and the bird slides to the right (right side of the disk would be lower...) if I move my right stick to the right it would correct to the left (as I am looking at the bird nose in). but that does not seem to apply if I am looking at the side of the bird.. (nose at 3 o'clock)

thanks

If the bird is nose in, and the right side of the disk goes lower, move the stick left (under the low rotor side) to correct - not to the right or high rotor side as you are looking at the bird.

It doesn't apply if you are looking at the side of the bird with nose at 3 or 9 o'clock. For that, I just focus on the front of the canopy and picture myself sitting IN the heli looking out with my hands on the controls. When I was first learning flat side in hover, I would turn my body a little bit to face the direction the nose was pointing (just turned a little bit) and that seemed to help a lot until it just became natural to me.

I also didn't practice this stuff low to the ground with any training gear. If you can, practice this stuff higher off the ground (20'), it gives you more time to react. If things get hairy, just increase altitude and transition back to tail in to regain control, then circle and try it again.. and again.. heheh. It's much better than to be too low to the ground in a panic and ditch the bird.

Even better yet, do it do death in a SIM. FMS and Clearview will work well enough for this training. If you have ClearView, try practicing these hover orientations with the Trex 450XL in the Nahe Sport Hall (indoor gym), it's a great place to practice because it forces you to keep the heli in tight ..and zero downtime and $0 in repairs! What a bargain!

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RE: Working on my HBFP flying skills - 11/29/2007 11:22:56 PM

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That makes sence..

I guess I am a slow learner... I did what you suggested with FMS and when it clicked it was like someone hit me with a hammer...

I guess I just had to visiualize it before it clicked in....

Just a question. I've downloaded several models for FMS... which flies more like the HBK2???

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RE: Working on my HBFP flying skills - 11/30/2007 12:11:09 AM