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RE: 2007 F3A World Championships - 11/12/2007 7:44 PM   
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ONDA Tetsuo JPN 600.4
SILVESTRI Sebastiano ITA 581.8
SCHULMAN Jason USA 569
AKIBA Yoichiro JPN 567.4
DIERICKX Benoit BEL 565.2
MATT Wolfgang LIE 564.8
ROUX Christophe FRA 562.6
SOMENZINI Quique USA 559.4
WISSINGER Markus GER 557
ULSAMER Guenther GER 555.4
SUZUKI Koji JPN 554.8
JESKY Andrew USA 553.8
FRIGGERI Luca ITA 552.6
BESCHORNER Bernd GER 548
CARRIER Stephane FRA 546.8
RUBIN Marc SUI 539.2
FREMMING Ola NOR 534.2
MAYR Gerhard AUT 533
FILGAS Erich AUT 527.8
DANKSAGMULLER Helmut AUT 526
MARQUET Philippe BEL 526
BLOODWORTH Bill AUS 522.4
ROUX Benoit FRA 521.4
VLIET Danny NED 515.6
LUNDSTROM David SWE 515
WOLFFE Marc RSA 513
ZARDINI Jean-Pierre BEL 512.4
SCHADEN Bernhard SUI 512
COLOMBO Marcelo ARG 503.4
ROBINSON Shane IRL 496.6
ZHENDI Huang CHN 494.4
SELVA Massimo SMR 490.4
NORTHEAST Chad CAN 489.6
COSTA Antonio POR 486.6
VAGHY Dezso CAN 484.2
MANDRIKA Victor RUS 484
AMBROGGI Leonardo ARG 483.8
PASINI Sylvain SUI 483.6
JACKSON Keith GBR 483.4
BUTUZOV Sergey RUS 478.4
CORAM Steve AUS 478
GRASELLI Andrea ITA 472
KURI Pablo ECU 468.2
CROSSMAN Adam AUS 467.4
YONG Duan CHN 467.4
HARROP John GBR 466
LAU Alex HKG 464.6
NIETO Daniel ARG 463.95
KEANE Ray IRL 463.2
GERMUSHUYS Carel RSA 461
CATON Kevin GBR 459.6
ALMEIDA Xavier ECU 458.2
REYES Rene CHI 454.8
BYOUNG Jun KOR 454.75
REAVILLE Dave CAN 452.2
AGUILAR Joaquin ECU 451
WONG Adrian HKG 441.8
BARRET Noel IRL 438
MOY William BRA 433.4
WENTZEL Ian RSA 430.8
HEE Lee KOR 425
MARTINEZ Roberto COL 424
GARESE Patricio CHI 410.6
Yu Sung CHI 410.4
Carlos Silva VEN 407.6
KAY Li HKG 405.8
Kang Seo KOR 404.2
Bruno Visconte BRA 398
BAINATHSAH Geoffrey SUR 382.8
HINESTROSA Federico COL 373.2
DANILOV Sergey RUS 372
LOZANO Jorge COL 365.6
YONG Frederick SIN 358.8
Marcos Angelo BRA 351.6
HAGENS Freddy SUR 321.2
TECHAVIPARK Praphon THA 310.05
BAINATHSAH John SUR 10
JUN Zhang CHN 0
CHONG Frederick SIN 0
SUKUMCHAROENJIT Chuchard THA 0
RATTANAPRAROM Natawut THA 0
PEREIRA Alejandro VEN 0

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RE: 2007 F3A World Championships - 11/12/2007 8:01 PM   
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None of this matters yet though. They are all flying in front of different panels. The only way to get any idea of how someone is flying is the breakdown per panel and comparing them against guys on their panel. Will be interesting after Day 2 when some of the top people begin flying in front of another panel with other top pilots.

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RE: 2007 F3A World Championships - 11/12/2007 8:16 PM   
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Go Quiqui go!!!!!

Oh and of course all the South African pilots!

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RE: 2007 F3A World Championships - 11/12/2007 8:22 PM   
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I know there is really no other reasonable way of judging it without the panels but I hope the judges will manage to be consistent in their scoring. It will be hard for them to be judging all pilots in the same round over the course of 4 days with 4 different sets of conditions. I know I wouldn't like to have that responsibility. Best of luck to them (especially the one's that score the Irish guys well )

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RE: 2007 F3A World Championships - 11/12/2007 8:35 PM   
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Hard to understand the noise zero'd flights. Wonder if these guys even checked them before the worlds. I mean 96 and 99db isn't even close.

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RE: 2007 F3A World Championships - 11/12/2007 9:36 PM   
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complaining? who?


Not you, but look at this posting from boex


Take it easy Marmitas, I was criticizing the official Argentine website and not the other aspects of the event. I cannot understand why a guy in New York, USA can get so mad to the point of sending me a PM and calling me "the enemy". That is strange to say the least. If I were an American and read about an Argentine dude criticizing an Argentine website, I would care less. Just my opinion.

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RE: 2007 F3A World Championships - 11/12/2007 9:43 PM   
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Day 2 results are now posted...

http://www.argentinaf3a.com/preliminary-flights.aspx

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RE: 2007 F3A World Championships - 11/12/2007 9:46 PM   
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W Matt will not make the finals his flying is really getting poor. I do respect what he has done for the hobby and his past ability But his time is past

Bryan


Bryan,

Aren't you the USA team manager from the 2005 team where you and your assistant posted that incredulous stuff about the WC judging and the USA team not being scored high enough? This type of fantasy league guessing just propagates and brings out all the worse attributes of sports requireing judging. What do you have to say now that W. Matt has scored high in this first round? Maybe you could offer him some piloting and airplane design advice instead of insulting his piloting skill - oh wait - the Matts have designed plenty of WC caliber airplanes, flown by a 1000 people, been players on the world stage for a long time, and are respected around the world, and have done this without a USA style internet machine pushing them.

I hope you make an apology for this one. What you wrote just reinforces the ugly-American cry baby image.



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RE: 2007 F3A World Championships - 11/12/2007 9:49 PM   
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complaining? who?


Not you, but look at this posting from boex


Take it easy Marmitas, I was criticizing the official Argentine website and not the other aspects of the event. I cannot understand why a guy in New York, USA can get so mad to the point of sending me a PM and calling me "the enemy". That is strange to say the least. If I were an American and read about an Argentine dude criticizing an Argentine website, I would care less. Just my opinion.


First I am an "Argentinean dude" in NY in a temporary work assignement.
Second I sent you a PM because I did not think that it was a subject for this forum.
Third you are not "the enemy" and I defy you to read my PM and show me where I called you by that apelative.
End of subject, let's talk about F3A


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RE: 2007 F3A World Championships - 11/12/2007 9:52 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

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W Matt will not make the finals his flying is really getting poor. I do respect what he has done for the hobby and his past ability But his time is past

Bryan


Bryan,

Aren't you the USA team manager from the 2005 team where you and your assistant posted that incredulous stuff about the WC judging and the USA team not being scored high enough? This type of fantasy league guessing just propagates and brings out all the worse attributes of sports requireing judging. What do you have to say now that W. Matt has scored high in this first round? Maybe you could offer him some piloting and airplane design advice instead of insulting his piloting skill - oh wait - the Matts have designed plenty of WC caliber airplanes, flown by a 1000 people, been players on the world stage for a long time, and are respected around the world, and have done this without a USA style internet machine pushing them.

I hope you make an apology for this one. What you wrote just reinforces the ugly-American cry baby image.





Wow. That's an awful lot of venom for a second post ever.

And your real name is?

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RE: 2007 F3A World Championships - 11/12/2007 9:54 PM   
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This is a quote from that PM "We found the enemy and it is us"

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RE: 2007 F3A World Championships - 11/12/2007 9:54 PM   
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2nd round scores are in.
Total of two round is as follows:



CORAM Steve AUS 970
BLOODWORTH Bill AUS 995.2
CROSSMAN Adam AUS 937.6
MAYR Gerhard AUT 1072
DANKSAGMULLER Helmut AUT 1029.4
FILGAS Erich AUT 1039.2
MARQUET Philippe BEL 1088
DIERICKX Benoit BEL 1089.2
ZARDINI Jean-Pierre BEL 1007.6
DOS SANTOS NUNES Bruno BRA 811.8
AVILA MOY William BRA 834
MALLOY RESENDE Marcos BRA 390
NORTHEAST Chad CAN 1006.2
VAGHY Dezso CAN 992.1
REAVILLE Dave CAN 898.2
HYEOK Yu Sung CHI 786
CHAPARRO GARESE P CHI 791.4
REYES Rene CHI 826.6
XU JUN Zhang CHN 507.6
ZHENDI Huang CHN 961.6
ZHI YONG Duan CHN 952
LOZANO Jorge COL 732.6
HINESTROSA Federico COL 712
MARTINEZ Roberto COL 784
KURI Pablo ECU 903.4
AGUILAR Joaquin ECU 893.6
ALMEIDA Xavier ECU 890.6
PAYSANT-LE ROUX Benoit FRA 1062.75
CARRIER Stephane FRA 1108.2
PAYSANT-LE ROUX Cristophe FRA 1182
WISSINGER Markus GER 1110
BESCHORNER Bernd GER 1076.6
ULSAMER Guenther GER 1094.8
LAU Alex HKG 954.95
HUNG KAY Li HKG 822
WONG Adrian HKG 799.8
KEANE Ray IRL 870.2
BARRET Noel IRL 819.2
ROBINSON Shane IRL 1000.4
FRIGGERI Luca ITA 1078.6
GRASELLI Andrea ITA 985.4
ONDA Tetsuo JPN 1163
SUZUKI Koji JPN 1078.6
MATT Wolfgang LIE 1136
VAN VLIET Danny NED 999.6
FREMMING Ola NOR 1045.4
COSTA Antonio POR 974.8
BUTUZOV Sergey RUS 931.2
DANILOV Sergey RUS 809.8
MANDRIKA Victor RUS 950.4
SELVA Massimo SMR 942
YONG Frederick SIN 703.8
CHONG Frederick SIN 380.8
WENTZEL Ian RSA 905.4
GERMUSHUYS Carel RSA 905.8
WOLFFE Marc RSA 1002.6
DONG HEE Lee KOR 883
BYOUNG Jun KOR 918.75
WON Kang Seo KOR 813.4
SCHADEN Bernhard SUI 1014.6
RUBIN Marc SUI 1035.6
PASINI Sylvain SUI 959
BAINATHSAH John SUR 385.17
BAINATHSAH Geoffrey SUR 805.6
HAGENS Freddy SUR 661
SUKUMCHAROENJIT Chuchar THA 435
RATTANAPRAROM Natawut THA 452.8
TECHAVIPARK Praphon THA 642.85
HARROP John GBR 616.6
CATON Kevin GBR 855.8
JACKSON Keith GBR 939.55
SCHULMAN Jason USA 1167.2
SOMENZINI Quique USA 1162.2
JESKY Andrew USA 1111.8
URDANETA Carlos Silva VEN 848.8
PEREIRA Alejandro VEN 220.4
COLOMBO Marcelo ARG 1058.4
NIETO Daniel ARG 980.75
AMBROGGI Leonardo ARG 983
SILVESTRI Sebastiano ITA 1119
AKIBA Yoichiro JPN 1116.6
LUNDSTROM David SWE 1000.8

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RE: 2007 F3A World Championships - 11/12/2007 10:00 PM   
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I'll just say that Wolfgang is one of many great ambassadors for R/C pattern. The fact that he has competed successfully at the highest level of competition for almost 40 years is truely remarkable.
Best of luck to everyone involved in this years WC (pilots and judges)!
Wish I was there!!
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RE: 2007 F3A World Championships - 11/12/2007 10:05 PM   
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I know it doesn't make sense but below is the standing based on raw scores after two rounds.


PAYSANT-LE ROUX Christophe FRA 1182
SCHULMAN Jason USA 1167.2
ONDA Tetsuo JPN 1163
SOMENZINI Quique USA 1162.2
MATT Wolfgang LIE 1136
SILVESTRI Sebastiano ITA 1119
AKIBA Yoichiro JPN 1116.6
JESKY Andrew USA 1111.8
WISSINGER Markus GER 1110
CARRIER Stephane FRA 1108.2
ULSAMER Guenther GER 1094.8
DIERICKX Benoit BEL 1089.2
MARQUET Philippe BEL 1088
FRIGGERI Luca ITA 1078.6
SUZUKI Koji JPN 1078.6
BESCHORNER Bernd GER 1076.6
MAYR Gerhard AUT 1072
PAYSANT-LE ROUX Benoit FRA 1062.75
COLOMBO Marcelo ARG 1058.4
FREMMING Ola NOR 1045.4
FILGAS Erich AUT 1039.2
RUBIN Marc SUI 1035.6
DANKSAGMULLER Helmut AUT 1029.4
SCHADEN Bernhard SUI 1014.6
ZARDINI Jean-Pierre BEL 1007.6
NORTHEAST Chad CAN 1006.2
WOLFFE Marc RSA 1002.6
LUNDSTROM David SWE 1000.8
ROBINSON Shane IRL 1000.4
VAN VLIET Danny NED 999.6
BLOODWORTH Bill AUS 995.2
VAGHY Dezso CAN 992.1
GRASELLI Andrea ITA 985.4
AMBROGGI Leonardo ARG 983
NIETO Daniel ARG 980.75
COSTA Antonio POR 974.8
CORAM Steve AUS 970
ZHENDI Huang CHN 961.6
PASINI Sylvain SUI 959
LAU Alex HKG 954.95
ZHI YONG Duan CHN 952
MANDRIKA Victor RUS 950.4
SELVA Massimo SMR 942
JACKSON Keith GBR 939.55
CROSSMAN Adam AUS 937.6
BUTUZOV Sergey RUS 931.2
BYOUNG Jun KOR 918.75
GERMUSHUYS Carel RSA 905.8
WENTZEL Ian RSA 905.4
KURI Pablo ECU 903.4
REAVILLE Dave CAN 898.2
AGUILAR Joaquin ECU 893.6
ALMEIDA Xavier ECU 890.6
DONG HEE Lee KOR 883
KEANE Ray IRL 870.2
CATON Kevin GBR 855.8
URDANETA Carlos Silva VEN 848.8
AVILA MOY William BRA 834
REYES Rene CHI 826.6
HUNG KAY Li HKG 822
BARRET Noel IRL 819.2
WON Kang Seo KOR 813.4
DOS SANTOS NUNES Bruno V BRA 811.8
DANILOV Sergey RUS 809.8
BAINATHSAH Geoffrey SUR 805.6
WONG Adrian HKG 799.8
CHAPARRO GARESE Patricio CHI 791.4
HYEOK Yu Sung CHI 786
MARTINEZ Roberto COL 784
LOZANO Jorge COL 732.6
HINESTROSA Federico COL 712
YONG Frederick SIN 703.8
HAGENS Freddy SUR 661
TECHAVIPARK Praphon THA 642.85
HARROP John GBR 616.6
XU JUN Zhang CHN 507.6
RATTANAPRAROM Natawut THA 452.8
SUKUMCHAROENJIT Chuchard THA 435
MALLOY RESENDE Marcos Angelo BRA 390
BAINATHSAH John SUR 385.17
CHONG Frederick SIN 380.8
PEREIRA Alejandro VEN 220.4

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RE: 2007 F3A World Championships - 11/12/2007 10:17 PM   
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I dont believe Bryan was attacking Wolfgang as a person.

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RE: 2007 F3A World Championships - 11/12/2007 10:18 PM   
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RE: 2007 F3A World Championships - 11/12/2007 10:25 PM   
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This is a quote from that PM "We found the enemy and it is us"

Us means NOSOTROS not vos
If I was calling you the enemy I would have said:
We found the enemy and it is you.

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RE: 2007 F3A World Championships - 11/12/2007 10:30 PM   
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Team standings as of day 2

Country Total
USA 3441.2
JPN 3358.2
FRA 3352.95
GER 3281.4
BEL 3184.8
ITA 3183
AUT 3140.6
ARG 3022.15
SUI 3009.2
AUS 2902.8
CAN 2896.5
RSA 2813.8
RUS 2691.4
IRL 2689.8
ECU 2687.6
KOR 2615.15
HKG 2576.75
CHN 2421.2
GBR 2411.95
CHI 2404
COL 2228.6
BRA 2035.8
SUR 1851.77
THA 1530.65
LIE 1136
SIN 1084.6
VEN 1069.2
NOR 1045.4
SWE 1000.8
NED 999.6
POR 974.8
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RE: 2007 F3A World Championships - 11/12/2007 10:51 PM   
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Very interesting results...best of luck to all pilots from all continents. JAS seems to be in a very good shape if he is so close to CPLR and passed Onda.

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RE: 2007 F3A World Championships - 11/12/2007 11:02 PM   
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RE: 2007 F3A World Championships - 11/12/2007 11:50 PM   
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>>Aren't you the USA team manager from the 2005 team where you and your assistant posted that incredulous stuff about the WC judging << from 3DnSD

You know, I'm equally impressed with your own pride and prejudice. Let's recap, you post without identifying yourself, always brave; from San Diego (riiiight) and proceed to get down on the ugly Americans. Bravo, I salute you. Having the courage of my own convictions, I will identify myself as the aforementioned assistant. Challenge! Name yourself before the world!
Having such a good memory, you will recall that there was a situation in 2005 that did, in fact, receive passing mention from the Jury. An apology, even. Were you there? Be brave, tell the truth, and put your name to it. To be honest, more than one competitor chided me at the time for being publicly irritated. They said, this is the way things are at the Worlds; get used to it and be discrete. And I do understand their wisdom better today, in addition to appreciating it.

I will, personally, make a categorical statement on my own behalf; having met the Matt's in St. Yan, I feel that they are true sportsman, gentlemen, and competitors. They would be (perhaps are, if reading this) aghast to be part of this current flame job. Wolfgang, Roland, please accept my apology for being part of this; even though I was not a willing participant. Wolfgang, I've always admired you, and Roland is a definite contender. I do feel, however, that there are a FEW better pilots in the world. You could name them with one set of fingers, only, using names such as CPL, Onda and ONE or TWO others. (Personal opinion, only.) Having a Matt be champion would be good for the sport. We need heroes we can all respect (as CPL has been.) These two are among the elite.

Would I like to see USA on top? Of course I would, is there anythig wrong with that? However, it has to be earned; winning without earning it is meaningless. Which is why we all push for objectivity on judging. Perhaps you will recall the furor over an American judge in Japan a few years back? Who were the "cry babies" then? One thing we cherish here in the ugly States, is the right to voice an opinion. Usually, it can be done without personal attack. Even that is another ugly american trait, though. No one else in the world ever demonstrates nation favoritism, or ever denigrates others, do they? I am quite flattered to discover that I, alone, constitute an "internet machine", BTW.

Back to the apology; which this post actually IS; to the Matts, for having made you a part of this shameful thread.
To the rest of the world; for daring to have opinions about who might or might not win this year. To the unknown flamer; for dignifying your post with a response. Isn't pattern flying supposed to be fun and cameraderie?

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RE: 2007 F3A World Championships - 11/13/2007 12:06 AM   
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Please guys, stop all the childish monologues. This forum is about the Competition and not your self-importance. Its embarrassing.

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RE: 2007 F3A World Championships - 11/13/2007 12:24 AM   
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Hi here some photos of 2nd round. Please keep concentrated on the contest, thanks.

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RE: 2007 F3A World Championships - 11/13/2007 12:51 AM   
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Artistic-aero

Do you happen to know if Ken Binks and a guy named Terry (Something), I can't remember his last name. Are they still flying? I met them while I was stationed in England back in the late 80's. Terry lived near Peterbrough iirc, he flew at a base called "Upwood". I sure got to like those two. We met up again at the WC's in VA. Lost track of them after that.

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RE: 2007 F3A World Championships - 11/13/2007 12:56 AM   
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Now thats what I`m talking about
keep pinning their ears Back Jason,
Looks Like I might need to modify my prediction
So,this is what happens when you don`t have to fly first 4 out of 6 times ,,
wait till the unknowns,, thats where Jason SHINES!!!!!
very proud of Andrew "It`s got to be his Caller " Keep him Straight Vern,
looks Like Quique is right there in the game
USA is in good shape

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