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Super Brain 960 gets hot and noisy - help? - 11/4/2007 5:47:23 AM   
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Hi there,
As per my previous thread on the forum(this one is even longer!), I just got a Traxxas Rustler XL-5, along with a Tenergy 4500mah battery, and of course, a Super Brain 960. I've had a great time with it, and have now completed 3 charge cycles on my battery. Problem is, non of them has gone as planned...

1st time I charged on 0.5 amp - the batt was already charged somewhat from the factory, so any weirdness in my experience on that one is explainable.

After running my car for the first time (whee!, I might add), I hooked it up to the charger. I set it to 4.5 amps, since I've seen similar settings reccommended for batteries of such capacity. I set the mv peak threshold to 25mv, and hit start. After about 15 minutes, it started making a very loud high pitched whining sound, with a regular pulse in the sound about every second or two. I felt the charger, and it was very warm indeed. So I grabbed a fan and blew cool air across it to see if it would help, but it wouldn't stop the loud whining, even though it began to run somewhat cooler. I finally hit stop on the thing after about 30 minutes, and restarted it at a lower amp setting, and it stopped making the high-pitched whining. The battery finished charging normally, and I used it the next day for some more fun! (again, whee!)

So, for my third charge, I figured I'd go with the default 3.0 amp setting, since it ought to work well, and I'd expect a charge time of 1.5 hours. However, same story as 4.5 amp, after 20 minutes or so(may have been more like 25-30 actually, I forget) it gets loud and whiny, and I go feel the thing, and it's hot to touch! So, I break out the fan again... keep it blowing on there for another 20 minutes, and it peaks! after only about 50 minutes total charge time! Maybe I didn't discharge the batts all the way? (even though I did discharge them to where my rusty's wheels were slowing down a *lot* while not even touching the ground...) That's not really the issue, though. It's the heat and noise!

So, is it possible that it is charging at a higher rate than displayed? That could explain the extra heat and shorter than expected charge time... For the record, my ambient temp is quite reasonable - 70F give or take a few degrees. The overheated charger, in this case, is not because of high ambient temp.

Also for the record, I have charged another battery(9.6V Nicd) succesfully, with no extra heat/noise, but I was using 1.0 and 1.5 amp settings on it.

So, should I use the 2.0 amp setting for my 4500mah batt? I don't understand how the 960 is getting so blasted hot! The smell of hot plastic is not my favorite! the product info sheet/descriptions on the web talk about how much cooler it runs that the 959 did... Finding that hard to believe.

Can anyone help me out here? Thanks!

Edit: Well, as no one has replied, I'll try out the 2.0 amp setting, and see if it will charge without "overheating" (only in quotes because I don't think it's actually overheated too far, since it never has shut off, like it's supposed to if it gets too hot according to the manual...)

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RE: Super Brain 960 gets hot and noisy - help? - 11/5/2007 4:04:12 AM   
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Okay, so I charged it up at 2.0 Amps, and same story, it starts making a really loud noise, and I've got to turn the fan on to keep it cool. What gives? Also, it only charged my 4500mah battery for 50 minutes! That's like all of 1700mah... Huh?

Do I need to bring the batteries down further in voltage before charging? When I hook it up to the charger, it usually reads between 7.2 and 7.5 volts. I've read that the batteries should be discharged down to 5.4 volts before charging them up. Perhaps this will help my problem, so I'm wondering if I use the MRC 960 as a voltmeter, and connect it via the alligator clips to a homemade discharge circuit made from automotive 12V bulbs connected the battery, would this be realiable way to get the battery voltage down to 5.4?

Also, for the charging, is it better for the batteries to charge them at 1C, or .1C? I'd like to be able to charge them fast, but I'll take a full-charge over fast-charge anyday. A charge at .5 amps overnight should be okay, right?

It's painfully obvious that I have no idea what I'm talking about


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RE: Super Brain 960 gets hot and noisy - help? - 11/5/2007 10:54:21 PM   
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Sorry to hear about the problems you're experiencing with the 960. It is supposed to run cooler than the original 959.
After the first charge on the battery, you can safely charge them at 4.5 amps. You may get some false peaks on the first few charges, but after that it should be fine. I'm not quite sure what the buzzing you're hearing is. You can always send it in for us to look at, and if need be we'll replace it for you. Also, it's very hard to get into details over forums as far as questions and answers go, so you can call me at 732-225-6360 and I may be able to help better. If I'm not here then John can certainly help you too.

Tim Sandor

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RE: Super Brain 960 gets hot and noisy - help? - 11/6/2007 5:48:52 PM   
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Thanks for the reply, Tim!
I built a little discharger using an automotive light, and used extra wire to give a lead for the 960's voltage sensing function. After sucking as much power out as I felt was wise, I turned on a fan (*before* charging this time!), and ran the charge at 4.5 amps. It never got hot, and didn't make the loud noise. It did false peak, but probably from my 20mV setting. I restarted it at 30mV and it charged for another 15 minutes (48 total minutes, which is ~3600mah, lots better than the previous charge...) If I cycle my battery like that for a few more charges, I'm guessing it should help in getting the max capacity of the battery going.

One brief question about my discharger - While I am discharging, the voltage drops really fast and low - down to around 3V when the light goes dim. However, upon unplugging the battery from the light, the voltage climbs back up quickly to the 6-7 volt range. Should I use a light that draws less amps/watts? Would this be a bit safer for the battery? I've heard over and over that you should lower the voltage in the cells to 0.9V per cell, so 5.4 for a 6 cell, before charging. Does that mean 5.4 after it's been sitting there for a minute? Or 5.4 while under load?

If you think I should, I can still call about the heating/buzzing issue, but since I've found a decent way to avoid the problem, I'd prefer not to send in the charger (it's the only one I've got!)

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RE: Super Brain 960 gets hot and noisy - help? - 11/6/2007 6:56:54 PM   
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My 959 made a very high-pitched sound while charging...I thought it was normal for that charger. Perhaps the 960 does the same thing?

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RE: Super Brain 960 gets hot and noisy - help? - 11/9/2007 11:47:51 PM   
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My 960 sometimes makes this loud pitched noise. I don't think it's anything to worry about. I've heightened the charger from the platform on which it sits a bit, to help keep the charger cool.

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RE: Super Brain 960 gets hot and noisy - help? - 11/10/2007 9:18:35 PM   
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One more reason why I don't think it's a major problem:

While the 960 always makes a slight high-pitched noise for me, sometimes it gets loud like you explain. This is most likely caused by the heat fooling with the 960's built-in speaker. When it makes the noise again, press the "Display" button. While the normal "beep" occurs, notice how the loud noise briefly stops.

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RE: Super Brain 960 gets hot and noisy - help? - 11/13/2007 6:34:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jolynsbass

Thanks for the reply, Tim!
I built a little discharger using an automotive light, and used extra wire to give a lead for the 960's voltage sensing function. After sucking as much power out as I felt was wise, I turned on a fan (*before* charging this time!), and ran the charge at 4.5 amps. It never got hot, and didn't make the loud noise. It did false peak, but probably from my 20mV setting. I restarted it at 30mV and it charged for another 15 minutes (48 total minutes, which is ~3600mah, lots better than the previous charge...) If I cycle my battery like that for a few more charges, I'm guessing it should help in getting the max capacity of the battery going.

One brief question about my discharger - While I am discharging, the voltage drops really fast and low - down to around 3V when the light goes dim. However, upon unplugging the battery from the light, the voltage climbs back up quickly to the 6-7 volt range. Should I use a light that draws less amps/watts? Would this be a bit safer for the battery? I've heard over and over that you should lower the voltage in the cells to 0.9V per cell, so 5.4 for a 6 cell, before charging. Does that mean 5.4 after it's been sitting there for a minute? Or 5.4 while under load?

If you think I should, I can still call about the heating/buzzing issue, but since I've found a decent way to avoid the problem, I'd prefer not to send in the charger (it's the only one I've got!)



Sorry for the delay, I've been away for the last week at a trade show in Milwaukee. If you don't mind the buzz, my engineer tells me it shouldn't cause any problems, then fine. As far as your discharger, you might want to use different bulbs that don't draw so much. You can go to 5.4 volts under load. You will notice that the voltage will rebound after the load is taken off, this is normal. But with such a large load as those light bulbs, you might not be getting the full discharge.

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