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Full contact combat ! - 11/5/2007 3:24:25 PM   
fisher1648


 

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Status: offline 		Here's a pic of the result of a recent mid-air. The Battle axe is one tough plane. I landed with the other guys prop stuck in the wing. The pic isnt staged or altered .

I thought it was pretty cool !



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RE: Full contact combat ! - 11/5/2007 3:54:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Been there done that, got the tee shirt. What else you got? You guys interested in flying any AMA regulation combat out there?

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RE: Full contact combat ! - 11/5/2007 4:44:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here's the "engine in wing" shot from a few years back. And I just left my own prop blades in a local guy's avenger wing this weekend.




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RE: Full contact combat ! - 11/5/2007 6:13:39 PM   
fisher1648


 

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RE: Full contact combat ! - 11/5/2007 6:14:52 PM   
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Every midair is fully laden with mixed emotions, and how it missed a hair from getting that cut.

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RE: Full contact combat ! - 11/5/2007 6:47:24 PM   
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RE: Full contact combat ! - 11/5/2007 7:17:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not after all he repairs, time and again! This is a major drawback of combat air fight (flight) and in the end will not compensate the andrenaline rush.
In keeping the (whatever) class alive, we need unendless pilot support. A contradiction in terminus as it can be called. You want the cake, eat it, and be hungry forever after.
Combat is an extraordinary experience, be it just 4 kicks or 4 competition. I know t makes my 64 yrs heart sing,but repairs are killing me.

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RE: Full contact combat ! - 11/5/2007 10:54:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: fisher1648

Here's a pic of the result of a recent mid-air. The Battle axe is one tough plane. I landed with the other guys prop stuck in the wing. The pic isnt staged or altered .

I thought it was pretty cool !





Eric, that's a nice pic! Glad you guys are having good times with the AXE's!

Once I had a mid-air, flew a couple more minutes, and landed with a guy's battery hanging out of my wing by the battery lead. Think it was Darin S's battery, at Tuscaloosa a couple of years back. That was the hottest contest I've ever been to. By the end of the contest, everyone was taking a 15-minute break between flights!



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RE: Full contact combat ! - 11/6/2007 4:17:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Awesome pictures, guys. I've been flying a phencepost for the past month or so. I had a midair with a ripper this past weekend. I was able to glide back to the runway with only a broken prop. I was using a nut driver to loose the spinner on plane when I discovered ithe spinner was packed full of foam beads. Needless to say, it wasnt pretty when the ripper was retreived.



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RE: Full contact combat ! - 11/6/2007 2:30:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: grasshopper
You guys interested in flying any AMA regulation combat out there?

I'll be at the PBRCA field Sunday with a Matador and an ancient Veco Renegade.

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RE: Full contact combat ! - 11/12/2007 2:10:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I did it again....twice today ! Two mid-airs. The first one resulted in the other guys rudder getting knocked-off (I had no damage) and the 2nd one was rather dramatic. We hit full speed, about as head-on as you can get. Battle Axe VS. Battle Axe ! Knocked both of our wings clean off and we both lawn darted the fuselages. Given the severity of the crash both airplanes are repairable and mine is even ready to test-hop tomorrow.

Are mid-airs this common or is it me ?? Seems I'm having more mid-airs than cuts Are there any combat flying tips that you guys can give me to help hit the streamers VS. mid-air ? I'm not intentionally trying to hit the other guy - it just seems to happen suddenly. I'm starting to think were doing it wrong.... This is with only 3 planes in the air too - I cant image surviving with 5-6 planes fighting....



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RE: Full contact combat ! - 11/12/2007 2:54:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		Eric,

Mid-airs are commonplace in combat. Luckily the planes are built tough (as you've seen!) so it's usally a matter of a 5-minute fix and you're back in the air.

One thing that will make a huge difference is flying the same direction as your opponent. If you make a lot of head-to-head passes, you have a very brief second of opportunity to cut the other guy's streamer. If you try to pursue him from behind, you have a lot longer to line up on his streamer, and mid-airs are at slower closing speeds when you're moving the same direction.

This video is probably zoomed in a little too far for to see the pursuit, but you can kind of see how he tries to turn into the other planes' paths. The best approach is to get behind someone and turn just inside of them. http://www.treneffrc.com/videos/Tim%20Treneff%20SSC%20Nats%202006.wmv

No matter what you do, mid-airs will happen. It's part of the sport, and usally fixable. Get out there and have some fun!

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RE: Full contact combat ! - 11/12/2007 4:04:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		I aim for the rear of the other guys plane, he is normally gone by the time I get there
but sometimes his streamer is still there

I averaged 1 midair a night this year (rookie year) but was able to do controled landings
from all of them, and most (all but one) I was able to continue in the fray.

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RE: Full contact combat ! - 11/12/2007 10:38:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Montague

Here's the "engine in wing" shot from a few years back.




By my reckoning, you own that engine now....

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RE: Full contact combat ! - 11/12/2007 2:34:40 PM   
fisher1648


 

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Status: offline 		Alex,

Good tip - although it seems pretty obvious, if i look back on my flying style I seem to be trying to intersect the streamers VS. chase them....Also, I need to work on my periferal vison - I tend to focus on my plane too much.

Since mid-airs are pretty common I added some appropriate grapics

Eric

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