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RE: turning water into hydrogen. - 2/11/2008 9:49:02 PM   
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this is cool... im just doing this for a school project and this thread has helped me sooo... much!! thanks guys!!! but sadly my teaher wont let me test the hydrogen's flamability and i acnt find anything else on this topic but vids!!! i want some text explainig how this happens!!! curse google!

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RE: turning water into hydrogen. - 4/28/2008 9:08:17 PM   
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So we won't clutter the "HHO gas" thread I'm posting here. Here's a short little vid in which I tried plates instead of wire. It seems to work a lot better and the galvanized stuff doesn't appear to corrode like copper wire. My double helix copper wire thingy corroded so much it shorted out. I added a bit of dish soap at the end of the clip. Bigger bubbles means bigger bangs

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RE: turning water into hydrogen. - 4/28/2008 9:47:43 PM   
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Newton's law of Conservation of Energy states that matter is neither created nor destroyed. Getting 4 cups of water from one sounds like a some magic trick - like pouring milk in a newspaper funnel...




"Matter and Energy can be destroyed"

Einstein showed that a consequence of his special theory of relativity is
that matter and energy are coupled, and that one can indeed create or
destroy matter PROVIDED an appropriate exchange is made between
matter and energy. That is, energy can be converted to matter, subtracting
from the universe's store of energy and adding to the total number of
atoms. Conversely, atoms can be destroyed, subtracting from the total
count but thereby adding to the universe's store of energy.

E = mc**2

These are powerful and extremely practical ideas for scientific
understanding the physical world. However, they are not quite correct.

For example:

Inside the atom are forces holding the nucleus together, called, without
too much imagination, the strong nuclear force and the weak nuclear force.
This force represents a potential energy within the atom. When a
radioactive atom decays, it spontaneously breaks up into two or more
smaller atoms which have less mass in total than the parent atom the
missing mass has been converted to energy.

To give you a another example of how immense this conversion factor between
energy and matter is, consider this: a huge nuclear power plant might
produce 1 GW of electricity, enough to power a medium size city.
Over the course of a year, producing this much energy "burns" about (3/4 of a pound) of nuclear fuel.

By comparison, a coal-fired power plant would use hundreds, if not
thousands of railroad carloads of coal.

But if we were to carefully measure all the coal ash, and all the gasses
produced during the burning, and compare it to the hundreds of thousands of
tons of coal and oxygen fed to the boilers, we would also find ourselves
350 grams short at the end!

So I doubt you can pour 1 glass of water in a box and end up with 3,


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RE: turning water into hydrogen. - 4/29/2008 1:07:08 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: hands without shadows

So we won't clutter the "HHO gas" thread I'm posting here. Here's a short little vid in which I tried plates instead of wire. It seems to work a lot better and the galvanized stuff doesn't appear to corrode like copper wire. My double helix copper wire thingy corroded so much it shorted out. I added a bit of dish soap at the end of the clip. Bigger bubbles means bigger bangs

My copper wire has also fallen apart into a black and blue mess of steel wool. I have 2 short skinny pieces of stainless steel(maybe 1"X5" ) so I'm going to see if I can come up with enough time tonight to seal it in the jar and see if I can fill the balloon just for fun. I'm glad to see that you're getting nice and simple results. I'm going to start checking probably tomorrow if I can buy some some more stainless medal plates or wire and same with galvanized plate. And good idea posting here, it's more on topic of peoples experiments and results.

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RE: turning water into hydrogen. - 4/29/2008 10:37:00 PM   
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Looking for some opinions, is www.water4gas.com a gimmick? And please, don't just look at the "And if you buy one now, we'll throw in a free one, that's a $79.99 value, for free!!!" appearance of the site(and no, it doesn't actually say that ). What I'm referring to things on the site like all the other goodies beyond the fuel cell(ex. PCV enhancer and fuel heater) that are claimed to help fuel econony that much more, and all the customers comments(real or did they make up all those polished responses?) and, really 10,000 happy customers? So what's your opinion, lugit or barely worth reading? Thanks.

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RE: turning water into hydrogen. - 4/30/2008 1:13:49 AM   
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That looks like a huge scam. Your paying $100 bucks for some feet of hose and some ball jars with holes drilled in them.

The web site is mediocre and the pictures look like they were made in paint. "Glue HERE!"

You get a "PCV enhancer", 10 months of baking soda 'catalyst' , and "installation hardware accessories". They are bungie cords...

The copper pipe "fuel heater" is a joke in itself, COLD fuel would make more power...

They also recommend mixing Xylol or Acetone in your fuel to "atomize it". thats right! your gonna atomize fuel by mixing acetone in it

Hey, you also get "FREE BONUS #2: "Free Energy Secrets" by Patrick J. Kelly"

and

"FREE BONUS #4: "How To Maximize Your Tax Write-Offs For Car & Truck Expenses"




PS, I think you should buy it.

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RE: turning water into hydrogen. - 4/30/2008 2:40:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Nik.

That looks like a huge scam. Your paying $100 bucks for some feet of hose and some ball jars with holes drilled in them.

The web site is mediocre and the pictures look like they were made in paint. "Glue HERE!"

You get a "PCV enhancer", 10 months of baking soda 'catalyst' , and "installation hardware accessories". They are bungie cords...

The copper pipe "fuel heater" is a joke in itself, COLD fuel would make more power...

They also recommend mixing Xylol or Acetone in your fuel to "atomize it". thats right! your gonna atomize fuel by mixing acetone in it

Hey, you also get "FREE BONUS #2: "Free Energy Secrets" by Patrick J. Kelly"

and

"FREE BONUS #4: "How To Maximize Your Tax Write-Offs For Car & Truck Expenses"




PS, I think you should buy it.

Thanks for your thoughts. and BTW you don't receive anything other than an electronic(download) "how to manual". They claim to have 10,000 customers, some who have gotten over 80% fuel increase. Sounds wacko to me now. Hmm... I just really wonder if even a single one of their extra improving fuel economy devices does a thing. Oh and sorry I didn't see something obvious. I kind of feel like a fool.



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RE: turning water into hydrogen. - 4/30/2008 4:01:04 AM   
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The whole water4gas thing has got to be a fake.

You can't get enough HHO from 1-3amps its just not gona happen, we've tried and tried and we can only get about 1liter per minute at 30amps and that's not a typo either (where have you read that before ) and you need about 3-5 liters per minute. (well that's what we're going for)

How someone can get 285% increase with only 1-3amps on their chevy 4wd I don't know (oh wait its called lying) My Dad has a 86 Chevy 4wd SWB with a 4.3L V6 in it and he gets 12-15MPG

When we did our test with 1-3amps we got a bubble (a small one) every few sec. (which would = 1/10 of a liter per minute)

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RE: turning water into hydrogen. - 4/30/2008 3:39:08 PM   
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water4gas is a lie.
pretty much everything about running your car on and dirivitive of water is lie.

sure you can make hydrogen by electrolysis of water but its sure not enough to run your car off of.

but by all means, contiunue your 'experiments' is actually very amusing to read.

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RE: turning water into hydrogen. - 4/30/2008 8:00:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Nik.

water4gas is a lie.
pretty much everything about running your car on and dirivitive of water is lie.

sure you can make hydrogen by electrolysis of water but its sure not enough to run your car off of.

but by all means, contiunue your 'experiments' is actually very amusing to read.

I personally wouldn't refer to this threads content as amusing and it's not about making a car running on pure hydrogen, we all know that's next to impossible for an average person, it's about improving gas mileage a noticeable amount for a cost next to nothing that could save hundreds per year. But you're entitled to your own opinion.

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RE: turning water into hydrogen. - 4/30/2008 10:51:40 PM   
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I'm not even thinking about running any engines on Hydrogen, I'm just messing around and making explosions.

Im going to look for some stainless steel washers tomorrow. I couldn't find any plate but SS hardware is pretty common. If I can find some I will probably stack 8 or so on a piece of pvc and space them really close together. Wikipedia says that SS or platinum electrodes are usually used, makes sense.

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RE: turning water into hydrogen. - 6/22/2008 3:40:10 PM   
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ProRCRacer88, Since RC Ken says we can't start new threads starting new discussion when there are old similar threads that have became history, here's this thread to post away on and here's another similar one.
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_7416213/mpage_1/key_500%2Ckoolaid%2Cman/tm.htm
This way the topic should be able to be discussed

Recently I got some stainless steel plates from a neighbor and I've been fooling around with how much hydrogen I can get them to produce. My current problem is my computer power supply isn't enough power so I'm in the midst of getting a better power supply.

hands without shadows, what's new with your experiments? Or anyone else have any experiments or updates?

Also one more thing. I saw a post in that locked thread about how it's close to impossible to make a car run on hydrogen and that this topic is a dud. It's beyond most people to do so, but that's not what most of us that are into this are shooting for(setting aside those who do this just to light the bubbles on fire ). It's about creating a cell to hook up to your battery, and run your car as an HHO gasoline hybrid to end up saving lots of money at a minimum cost and at the same time enjoy the testing and so fourth.

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RE: turning water into hydrogen. - 6/22/2008 6:13:07 PM   
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I ended up using regular washers instead of SS washers. I drilled a small hole in 8 washers and stacked them on a PVC pipe, spacing them apart with O rings. Then I connected every other washer by copper wire through the holes. I also made a device to test different setups with. Its basically a container with a big threaded lid. The lid has two screws at opposite ends and a small tube at the top. The screws are there so I can hook up electrodes to the inside of the lid and connect my power supply to the outside of the lid. The tube is there so I can connect a hose to collect gas. Everything is sealed by epoxy. Using the washers I got a large amount of bubbles, enough to fill a balloon in a reasonable of time.

I also found out why you need to use a bubbler. I tried to light the gas coming out of the hose to see if I could sustain a continuous flame. The fire travelled through 3 feet of nitro fuel tubing and into the container, which contained at least half a liter of gas. The whole container jumped up a few inches and gave me quite a scare.

I've been pretty busy wit