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Velocity Stacks for 4 strokes from 4 sroke breakin - 11/15/2007 10:51:24 PM   
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New thread picking up the stack talk from the 4 sroke breakin thread.


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RE: Velocity Stacks for 4 strokes from 4 sroke breakin - 11/16/2007 12:06:54 AM   
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The Saito 50GK stack fits the 45S through the 125. Though from the factory it only comes on the 56GK through 91GK

The OS 56 stack fits the OS 52 perfectly

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RE: Velocity Stacks for 4 strokes from 4 sroke breakin - 11/16/2007 12:16:16 AM   
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I like my own better:



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RE: Velocity Stacks for 4 strokes from 4 sroke breakin - 11/16/2007 12:27:03 AM   
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You did do a nice job on it.

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RE: Velocity Stacks for 4 strokes from 4 sroke breakin - 11/16/2007 12:35:24 AM   
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I've got my Mag 70 measured up and will pull the 91 off one of the planes soon and measure it also. I've got an O.S. 120 surpass pumper which has a stack, but it's part of the choke assembley. We've been kicking this around at the field and one of the guys want' a couple for two strokes he has.

The topic of "tuned" stacks came up and I'm wondering if there is a critical relationship between length and throat diameter. Any comments out there??

What I thought I would do is to just scale up the O.S 56 stack for the 70 and 91. I can't imagine that there is that much of a critical length. From my old hot rod days, it seems that the purpose was just to get the air flowing in a straight line prior to hitting the sprays in the carb. For us, I would imagine it would be the same and maybe a tad more to keep the whezzing contained for the next gulp of air instead of spraying in into the enging compartment.


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RE: Velocity Stacks for 4 strokes from 4 sroke breakin - 11/16/2007 12:37:10 AM   
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that looks fantastic! Looks like as if its factory made.

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RE: Velocity Stacks for 4 strokes from 4 sroke breakin - 11/16/2007 12:41:51 AM   
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Don,

I think your analogy is correct.

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RE: Velocity Stacks for 4 strokes from 4 sroke breakin - 11/16/2007 1:02:18 AM   
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I'll post the measurements on this link as I make them. I've got about five on the burner. And I'll let you know how they work out.

The 4*60 is a bear to clean under the engine, so help here is going to be welcome.

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RE: Velocity Stacks for 4 strokes from 4 sroke breakin - 11/16/2007 4:36:21 AM   
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Campgens, do a search on RCU for "Gordon Jennings". You will find a place to download Gordon's "Two-Stroke Tuner's Handbook". He discusses intake tract resonance (tuned intake) there. Usually, it is something to be avoided as it makes the engine very, very narrow banded in its power output.

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RE: Velocity Stacks for 4 strokes from 4 sroke breakin - 11/16/2007 4:53:45 PM   
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The relationship of the intake tract is essentially an acoustic tuning like the tuned pipe. Area and length is critical. Forget about it in model engines however. You can put a 12-24" long intake on a full size engine, but not in a model engine. Virtually all naturally aspirated automotive engines with any performance in mind use tuned intake runners since late 90's, and many long before then.

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RE: Velocity Stacks for 4 strokes from 4 sroke breakin - 11/16/2007 10:10:02 PM   
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Ditto Chrysler's 1959-60 "Ram Induction" on their Dodge cars with 383/413 CID V-8's.


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RE: Velocity Stacks for 4 strokes from 4 sroke breakin - 11/17/2007 1:30:47 AM   
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Copper pipe and a large screw to flare it work well too...



Not a four stroke but might help with your solution.

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RE: Velocity Stacks for 4 strokes from 4 sroke breakin - 11/17/2007 2:34:29 AM   
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Ed, the RamChargers intake manifold was long pipes, not a stack between the carb and aircleaner. By the way, I think the years were 61-63. A friend had one and I had the 61 Catalina with the 3 duces and four on the floor. He kept wanting to huliminate be, but I wouldn't give him a chance, I knew he would win. I did get a little even though when he had to change spark plugs which was every couple thousand miles. The intake and exhaust manifolds both had to come off to get at the plugs. I think it was the 62 model that they finally put a series of holes in the inner finder and you could take off the front wheels and use a long extention to get at the plugs that way. Service engineering at its best.

The reason for the long reaches was to get an even draw through the carb. On a single four on a conventional manifold, there were short and long paths to the valves, so there was an uneven flow through the carb giving some cylinders a better charge than others. The RamCharger intakes were like headers that all paths were equal in length, in theory, They were closer than the carb on top, but still slightly longer paths in the to two outer cylinders.

Ah, the good old days. I was on my apprenticeship as was my friend. We both were able to buy new cars like those on $3.50 an hour. Of course, we still lived with our parents then.

Kind of strayed away from the topic. Sorry.

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RE: Velocity Stacks for 4 strokes from 4 sroke breakin - 11/17/2007 3:22:44 AM   
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I was referring to intake tract resonance, not a stack.


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RE: Velocity Stacks for 4 strokes from 4 sroke breakin - 11/17/2007 6:28:04 AM   
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Somegeek, how do you lock it to the carb? That really looks nicer than the aluminum ones. Would be a lot easier to make if I can find the right size tubing.

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