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RE: !!!!!!Official Ofna Ravager Thread!!!!!! - 3/6/2008 4:48:19 PM   
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30% is the nitro content. I use OS plugs, but not by rule just prefer OS. The one that came with the motor will probably be done before you finish your break-in. It won't hit the piston. Always use after run oil when your done racing/playing for the day. Is this your first rc?

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RE: !!!!!!Official Ofna Ravager Thread!!!!!! - 3/6/2008 5:04:26 PM   
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Yes it's my first Nitro RC . I'm re living my child hood Back in 1985 I had the Tamiya Frog with a Futuba control and a 7.2 volt battery. I have very fund memories of that little car and being 10-12 year old. Some how about a month ago I started looking into 1/8 Nitro RC's. I stumbled on to this great page. Considering the look and budget I ended up getting the Ofna Ravager from RCplannet.com. My wife laughes

Any other tip you can give my on RC's or the Ravager I would really appreciate.

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RE: !!!!!!Official Ofna Ravager Thread!!!!!! - 3/6/2008 5:21:36 PM   
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Well I will say this, nitro is the best hobby I have ever had. The thing you need the most in this hobby is patience. Learn as much about the buggy as possible. How much fuel have you put through the engine so far, if any?

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RE: !!!!!!Official Ofna Ravager Thread!!!!!! - 3/6/2008 5:30:22 PM   
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I agree to all previous suggestions, just make sure all the metal-to-metal screws are have locktite, you can use a medium locktite. Save some money for a higher torque steering servo. Re-oil the air filter, a 2 stage air filter would be beneficial. The .12 glow plug will work, in my case, used an OS A8, MC59, LC3 hot plugs and they work well. Just be patient in breaking in the engine, follow the instruction, it is worth the wait. Before storing your buggy, pour a 6 or 7 drops of after run oil thru the glow plug oil, then turn the fly wheel 3 to 4 times to let the oil distribute itself. Make certain that the piston is at bottom dead center or BDC before srewing the glow plug on, then store the buggy.

You might as well consider tuning the 3 differentials with silicone diff oil. I use 60000, 50000 and 30000 for the front, center, and rear respectively. You may also consider stocking some spare parts for the drivetrain and front suspention eventhough this buggy is bulletproof for bashing.

Hope you enjoy that buggy, I have 2 ravagers though.



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RE: !!!!!!Official Ofna Ravager Thread!!!!!! - 3/6/2008 6:26:03 PM   
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I have'nt put ANY fuel in the tank, I received it yesterday. I'll probably start putting on stickers and a drop of Lock Tight (if I can find it) where ever I can. I plan to start the break in on saturday. I'm exited about starting the hobby although I'm always bussy with mountain biking, gym and 2 kids

I'm stationed over seas (south America) for the next couple of years but I did find a hobby shop that sells spare parts for Nitro RC cars (not necesarily for Ravager or OFNA) and the gas . My other option is the internet just like I did for the initial purchase of the RTR kit but that takes 7-10 days to arrive.

So the manual sais 20% fuel, should I go with that or 30% (if they carry it)? How would that be better or worst?

I'll also buy plugs and the 6 way wrench. I have the basic re fueling bottle but it's 250 cc (I think) should I buy a bigger one?

Should I look into the rechargeble servo battery pack? How long do those last? Batteries here are expensive.

Many questions...

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RE: !!!!!!Official Ofna Ravager Thread!!!!!! - 3/6/2008 6:27:42 PM   
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PS Allan

Why different weights of oil per differential? How do I change the only since they seem to be sealed?

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RE: !!!!!!Official Ofna Ravager Thread!!!!!! - 3/6/2008 8:37:32 PM   
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I hope I'm not abussing your assistance but....

Should I tighten all the suspension bars and servo link that, to me, look loose or have play in them?

Where specifically do you guys recomend I use the Lock Tight?

I did buy a fail safe and extra pull start just in case.

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RE: !!!!!!Official Ofna Ravager Thread!!!!!! - 3/6/2008 9:49:59 PM   
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So the manual sais 20% fuel, should I go with that or 30% (if they carry it)? How would that be better or worst?

I'll also buy plugs and the 6 way wrench. I have the basic re fueling bottle but it's 250 cc (I think) should I buy a bigger one?

Should I look into the rechargeble servo battery pack? How long do those last? Batteries here are expensive.

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20% will be more than fine for bashing. 30% is really only for racers as it gives a little more power but is more expensive.

Definaltley get a 6V rechargeable pack. They will last an afternoons running but will need to be charged on each outing.

Also the diff oils tune which power goes to what wheel. There are a lot of posts about on diff tuning.
Use locktite on all metal to metal screws.
Hope that helps

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RE: !!!!!!Official Ofna Ravager Thread!!!!!! - 3/6/2008 10:29:06 PM   
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Ebay is a great place to get cheap parts. Don't wait for something to break start buying basic replacements now so when you need them you have them. I would start with steering knuckles, and chassis braces. I got the cnc knuckles they don't strip like the cast aluminum. If you check out my garage on my profile you can see the upgrades. You can check out a lot of the possible upgrades at ofnaracing.com. If you need a good break-in proceedure let me know I can post it for you. Get youself a good supply of glow plugs. They are usually the most common cause of engine trouble and the most overlooked. Don't keep old plugs as much as they cost they are disposable.

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RE: !!!!!!Official Ofna Ravager Thread!!!!!! - 3/7/2008 1:31:48 AM   
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PS Allan

Why different weights of oil per differential? How do I change the only since they seem to be sealed?


This is one way of fine tuning your differential where engine torque can be distributed to the wheels that requires traction. There is a long discussion of diff tuning from previous post which really helps you to gain ideas and knowledge of diff tuning for different tack conditions.





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RE: !!!!!!Official Ofna Ravager Thread!!!!!! - 3/7/2008 4:00:14 AM   
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Allan, today I went to my local hobby shop and bougt an extra plug amoung other things. The manager sold me a OS R5 plug and told me that would be the best for the 20%-12% fuel I was buying and basically for nitro car engines. Does that sound right?

Should I consider adjusting the shocks? The come withought any turns but I notice many picutres of Ravagers reflect them with about 3/4" of thread showing I gues making the spring tighter.

The 6v battery pack for the servo, should it be hump back or flat for this model? Do you guys keep more than one charged to be able to run the car for more than a couple of hours?

hrdcorglf, I could use your break in tips. I've read many on this web page and I've been watching Youtube.com since there I've been able to see many tutorials for free, the more the better.

I'm the type of guy that reads all of a manual to extract every little bit of performance from anything I buy, prepapration is big with me.

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RE: !!!!!!Official Ofna Ravager Thread!!!!!! - 3/7/2008 6:41:46 PM   
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Here is the os chart so you can check plug selection http://www.osengines.com/accys/glowplugs.html
I was able to squeeze a hump pack in my radio box, but ofna does sell a syick pack cover for the side of the radio box. If you are not sure what to look for just let me know. Here is a good break-in procedure for heat cycling.

Heat cycling for stress relief
Stress relief is accomplished by repeatedly heating and cooling the engine-short engine runs followed by complete cooling repeated many times. ABC engine break-in involves such heat cycles, betit is not the same proceedure as is used for non ABC engines.

ABC break-in the inside story
Abc engines require a shorter break-in (heat cycling) than engines of the past- less than 45 min. for most. To attain and maintain maximum power levels, however, requires adherence to an entirely new set of break-in rules.
The primary objective of ABC break-in is to maintain the delicate top of the piston pinch zone while allowing the internal engine components to heat cycle with some minor smoothing and allignment (crankpin, wristpin, rod journals, etc.).

Here is how this is achieved:
FUEL- Use the same fuel for break-in as you will for normal operation. If you break-in your engine with low nitromethane fuel, e.g., 5% and then jump to 20% for actual running, the piston / cylinder fit will be too loose. Five % nitro doesn't generate as high a combustion temp., so the cylinder won't expand as much, and the pinch zone will wear more than if the cylinder had pulled away farther, as it would with the hotter burning, higher nitro fuel.

2- vs. 4-cycling operation
If you run a 2-stroke engine then you have heard of 4-cycling. When a two stroke engine is operated very fuel-rich or at somewhere below 1/2 throttle, it begins to fire on alternate crankshaft revolution. As the mixture is richened at wide open throttle, the ehaust sounds like this as it breaks from 2-cycling to 4-cycling: " RRREEEAAAHHHHHHH."
As the throttle is reduced to about 1/2, the exaust sounds like this, as it breaks from 2-cycling to 4-cycling: "RRRRREEEEETAT-TAT-TAT-TAT."
With both examples comes a simotanios loss of rpm with the change in exuast sound. This is 4-cycling. Learn to avoidit. Because the ABC-type engines were originally designed as WOT racing engines, their pistons and cylinders operated happily. Today, ABC engines are also expected to idle and throttle reliably. Unfortunatly this allows them to cool excessively, especially below 1/2 throttle, where poor cylinder scavenging (clearing) causes them to 4-cycle and wear away the critical pinch zone as the piston sleeve cools and tightens around the piston
Throttling is a necessary phase of running nitro engines in cars, so you can't simply eliminate it from your routine, but do not allow the engine to 4-cycle during break-in. Afterward, when engine components have been stess-relieved and bedded in through heat-cycling, the wearing effect of 4-cycling will be minimized.

Tight ABC piston/cylinder assemblies
Some new Abc-type engines are so tight at TDC that for the first few times the engine is cranked over and run, the possibility exist of damaging the connecting rod, crankpin, and piston. To avoid this, preheat the cylinder and the head with a heat gun or a hair dryer. This preheating expands the piston sleeve, and that minimizes the potential for stress on all the engine components during initial startup.


. ABC break-in in the car

Set the main needle according to the manufacturer's specifications (e.g., 2 to 3 turns counterclockwise from closed). Open the idle needle several turns so the engine shuts off when abruptly throttled back.
-Start the engine
-Advance the throttle to 1/2. Listen for 4-cycling. Lean the mixture to a rich two cycle operation.
-Run the car in a 100 foot diameter circle or figure 8. Keep the throttle at 1/2 and listen for 4-cycling. Don't let this happen! If it does, immediately lean the main fuel needle a little at a time until the engine produces a clean, steady 2-cycling sound. Run your car in a cicle/ figure 8 for about 1 minute. When the minute is up immediatly check the head temp.
Keep a log of run time, head temp, estimated rpm and your perfomance comments.
The goal is to keep the head temp. at above 200 degrees F. and less than approximately 230 degrees F. If the head temp. is less than 200 degrees F. lean the high speed needle slightly, and try again after the engine has completely cooled. When the engine stops, using the fly wheel turn the piston to BDC.
-Perform the 1 minute run at least three times while you adjust the head temp. by "tweaking" the needle valve as needed.
-Now run the car around for 2 minutes at least twice. Remember: 1/2 throttle and no four cycling. Same game : check head temp., allow it to cool, record data.
-Don't be tempted to open the throttle wide! The mixture settings will probably be all wrong for wide open throttle(WOT)(. There is plenty of time for that later.
-The rest of the 1/2 throttle break-in runs will be 3 minutes long. When they tottle 35 minutes(minimum), you have successfully heat-cycled your engine and break-in is properly complete. If you like you can run it another 10 minutes or so it won't hurt.
-Tune the engine for WOT and idle operation.
To read " Super Engine Tining" by Steve Pond go to ( rcnitro.com/artcles/index.asp )


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RE: !!!!!!Official Ofna Ravager Thread!!!!!! - 3/7/2008 9:36:08 PM   
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hrdcoreglf, thanks for the great information. I have to admit I'm a little over whelmed right now with so much info. especially regarding the tuning of the needles. Tomorrow is the big day that my tank get's gas for the first time, so I'll try my best to follow your advise. I just don't want to start playing with the needles and messing things up.

I've looked around for past post regarding glow plugs and it seems to me that it's a combination of personal preference and the elements. Here the temp. is ususally in the 60's and the altitude is at 8,600 ft. above sea level. I'll see what works for my engine, but I really want to get the best performance out of what ever plug I buy. I really need to learn quick since the OD R5 I bought here was equivalent to $10 and I see that online I can almost buy 2 for that price so I really want to know what works for my car and buy a pack of that.

I'll play around with it and I'll report back.

Funny cause I know a couple of months from now I'll laugh at the rookie questiong I was asking, but I have try to learn withought damaging anything.

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RE: !!!!!!Official Ofna Ravager Thread!!!!!! - 3/8/2008 11:17:57 PM