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RE: The Tango 40 ARF from Hangar 9 - 7/14/2008 1:06:35 PM   
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Keep them comming Typical denial, show me a post where you further discused it. If you had found the problem as you stated in your PM you would have stated what it was, I'm sure you'll come up with something now that I have mentioned it. And to state that you would have padded the bill because of people like me (just to piss me off) Shows what kind of person you are and how little you know about insurance. You wouldn't piss me off any at all, I would get paid based on the amount of damage done, the more I write the more a get, but I do have to make sure that I don't pay claims that I shouldn't pay. You can't pad a bill, I write a claim based on the cost of replacement in your area, the work gets done and if you didn't get enough to cover the bill, then you submit the reciept for adjustment.

And also You stated that both homeowners and AMA offered to pay, Even if that was true (it's not) there is this little thing called deductable and you would have had a claim alright , unless you ran into a very nice adjuster that offered you advice to drop the claim, like I often do when deductable will be more then cost of repair, but it is very unlikly your deductable is less then the $300 and you would have had a recorded claim and not gotten a dime.

Truth be told his insurance would have paid for the damage (less deductable) and they would have gone to your insurance to subrogate (recover the money behind the scene + his deductable)

And AMA is secondary insurance they wouldn't have offered to pay anything if you had homeowners

Padding the bill would have never worked with me, I can spot a liar a mile away.


As I said you should have never flown without fixing the problem, you could have killed someone.

And no I won't hide in PM this is the type of stuff that should be posted, What you did was dangerous and stupid, and your PM is suggesting that you would commit a felony.


As I said keep them comming


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RE: The Tango 40 ARF from Hangar 9 - 7/14/2008 6:34:43 PM   
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What I am having trouble wrapping my mind around is the story behind the accident...hovering 10 feet off the ground when all control was lost, yet the plane accelerated and pulled out of the hover on it's own and then leveled off and proceeded to fly "about a mile" before lodging itself exactly between the cracks in the garage door? By the way, where did the puncture hole just above the crack come from? Looks like a metal nose cone puncture, but that would not lend itself to a nose stuck in the crack just below it.

I guess stranger things have happened. I would think that if you lost radio control the servos would go to failsafe with the throttle servo to idle and all control surfaces to neutral, OR they would remain as they were last told to be, OR anywhere in between...none of which would produce the result as told in the story or shown in the pictures. That would mean that in a hover my plane would drop to the ground tail first.

By the way PBThumbs is correct about the insurance polices and procedures...AMA is secondary and would not pay until after the homeowners was exhausted.

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RE: The Tango 40 ARF from Hangar 9 - 7/14/2008 9:42:50 PM   
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PB... I did not find out what the problem was.. I figured it had to be the rx so i replaced it and have it sitting on my work bench..I put somewhere around 25 or so flights on it after that with no problems..So I did not post a fix because I did not find it..I assume it was the RX buts thats all I can do is assume...After I looked at all the crash parts finally it looks like after I replaced the rx.."Which is velcroed to the top of the battery plate"..the battery Came loose on maybe a hard landing a few flights before the crash and the battery came unplugged..The only thing that made me think that was when looking at the rx all the plugs look bent like they got ripped out on impact except the battery one..So that might explain why no fail safe..As far as the way the door looks Low flyby I have no idea..If you think this was staged for some reason it was not..I also went and measured it is .8 miles if I drive down my driveway and up to the crash..As the plane flys it is somewhere around .6..so very sorry my mile was wrong..As far as insurance,,,,My renters would have paid and yes AMA is 2nd..I figure this was my fault not the insurance companys and I am going to pay..As far as padding the bill I have never turned anything into the ins company..So yes i was pissed..

The reason i sent you the pm was not trying to hide,,It was because this is a tango fourm to talk about the tango..I am sure everyone could care less about you and I arguing..

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RE: The Tango 40 ARF from Hangar 9 - 7/14/2008 9:52:49 PM   
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Like I said...stranger things have happened...

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RE: The Tango 40 ARF from Hangar 9 - 7/15/2008 9:27:22 AM   
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The only insurance covering that home is the insurance that the home owner has, The insurance company will then work to recover it's money and the deductable. And to think that a plane loosing control when it is inverted only was a faulty receiver is pretty far fetched, as is the rest of what I see in the photos and what you say. But as I said you did come up with something. Sad part is too many times adjusters and insurance companys do pay when they shouldn't, even if they know they are looking at fraud, it is often cheaper and easier to pay. But for Two panels only one getting screewed is the sap getting a claim on his record no money would go out due to deductable.

If We are to assume what you say was true, I guess I should be careful when flying my 4 fasst receivers inverted, because according to you yours was faulty when inverted.. And your going to send in the one that was in the crash to have it checked


Let me leave you with this, People can be hurt badly with these planes.

And don't try to BS the king of BS

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RE: The Tango 40 ARF from Hangar 9 - 7/15/2008 11:25:10 AM   
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Pb if you need to call me please do I will not continue to argue with you on here..I will pm you my number if you need to..if not drop it.and lets talk about the tango..

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RE: The Tango 40 ARF from Hangar 9 - 7/28/2008 7:58:46 PM   
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that has to smart look on the bright side is was not stuck in the side of a cow ,dog ,cat and or a person

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RE: The Tango 40 ARF from Hangar 9 - 8/7/2008 2:32:01 AM   
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I'm tired of hearing about insurance stuff. Lets get back to talking about our Tangos..........

Broke a wing on mine when I tried to land in a bad cross wind last Feb. Ordered one from Horizon and it only took till the end of april to get it. If I'd knerw that, I wouldn't have threw mine broken one away.
I guess they felt sorry for me so they sent another wing..freebie..two days later....


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RE: The Tango 40 ARF from Hangar 9 - 8/7/2008 5:14:16 AM   
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Since fixing the gas tank, my Tango is the only one in my fleet that's currently operable. Now I'm having engine problems on the Rapture 40. I guess fuel tanks must hate me for some reason.

Anyway, I've been spending some more time working on my takeoffs. Wind it up slowly, try getting up to flying speed at approximately 1/2 throttle, and don't gun it 'till it's airborne. Trouble is, the wings seem to want to lift before the tail starts flying. Meanwhile, I have recently purchased a JR Spectrum DX6i with an AR6200 receiver, which I have yet to figure out how to mount in the fuse. Then, there's the battery. Will it work with the same batter I have for my 72mhz? I really would like to play with some dual rudder rates and some expo (I'm finding that I'm not a real big fan of that, by the way).

If anybody has photos of their spectrum installation, I'm all ears!

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RE: The Tango 40 ARF from Hangar 9 - 8/19/2008 4:31:31 PM   
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For what it's worth, purchasers of new Tangos may want to check the hardwood wing dowels to be sure they are properly glued. Mine weren't. When assembled for the maiden, the tight fit caused one dowel to be pushed into the wing without me noticing. The model had six or eight flights that day, with some violent maneuvers, with just one of the two dowels engaged. Later, I was able to pull the errant dowel out of the wing cavity with some CA on the end of a stick. The other dowel pulled out easily with just pliers and light pressure. Both were epoxied back in place. That was a month ago. Tango now has many flights and is a lot of fun!

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RE: The Tango 40 ARF from Hangar 9 - 8/19/2008 10:22:26 PM   
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The first attempt to fly my Tango resulted in a ground loop, departing the engine and firewall from the fuselage.
I took it home, peeled the cured hot glue away from the wood and replaced that lite ply with 1/4" birch.

I then took the Tango back to the field and was determined to fly the d*mn thing or unload it on eBAY, (or here).

Once I reduced the rudder throw to 15% on low rate and 75% on high rate, I managed a ROG and it finally flew.

Now, I fly the Tango with ease. In fact, I enjoy downwind, crosswind and normal takeoffs. the plane is a small wonder.

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RE: The Tango 40 ARF from Hangar 9 - 8/21/2008 5:50:40 PM   
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im working on floats for mine going to try it in the warter

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RE: The Tango 40 ARF from Hangar 9 - 8/22/2008 1:11:57 AM   
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I'll bet it would go good on tail dragger, old timer, floats.

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There is a picture of a plane on them in the Gallery.

I've attached a picture of one of my planes on that type float. Works good.

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RE: The Tango 40 ARF from Hangar 9 - 8/28/2008 2:42:17 AM   
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On Tango Fuz #2 today....First one was flying to brave, to fast, to close to the ground upside down. Not thinking an pulled elev. to go up an went nose first into the ground going really really fast. Fuz completely ruint an splintered, but wing an tail survived unscratched except a 1" hole in the bottom of the wing