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RE: OFFICIAL MONSTER GT 8.0, MMGT FORUM - 5/9/2008 8:22:17 PM

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K223,

Im planning on getting some good pics this weekend. The current ones are just real quick ones that I have put together. But the MGT and Savage XL looks very close in length. The XL maybe just a tad bit longer but very hard to tell. The does have a wider track, but once I put on the hub extenders on the MGT it should be as wide if not wider than the Savage XL. The LST 2 is shorter than both of them but its wide cause of the extenders. The New Tmaxx is bigger than last year's TMaxx but it is still quite a bit smaller than the rest of the trucks.

I'm going to a friend's house in a couple of weeks in Arizona. He has all kinds of toys, big and small... I will put together a video of the weekend as well

I told him to go get a baja 5b and MGT 8 and he probably will LOL....

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RE: OFFICIAL MONSTER GT 8.0, MMGT FORUM - 5/9/2008 8:44:09 PM

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Rabbit you asking me for the link to wheel extenders? All the Proline Wabash wheels that are 23mm and all the beadlocks (except their Chyene Narrow) will kill your steering without axle extenders. The turnbuckle steering mod of shaving near the pivot ball joints will not fix this problem. The reason is because the actual turnbuckle itself will hit the inner diameter of the wheels before it gets the full steering. Proline does make a Wabash with offsets that may work for our MGT's however the offset ones only come in 17mm hex. Proline hex adapters (I have them will not fix the problem either). I ordered these for the MGT, however do not buy them until I can confirm it works! Its actually for the TMaxx but I know TMaxx and MGT have same axle diameter and dimensions. So hopefully it will work. I got the Integy axle extenders for my LST2, but Integy dont make them for MGT or TMaxx. So hopefully the ones Im getting from NewEra will work for the MGT.

http://www.neweramodels.com/item.cgi?session_id=vxogxhmbiolrmhbgwpmyeowtgusoolhp&part_id=2898

Oh not good news....I was hoping the beadlock commando wheels would not kill my steering, but figured it would come close to rubbing at the very least. Do let us know how these adapters work...I was going to just use the Proline standard 23mm adapters. I guess I might have to get some if they work for you...I really did not want to have the tires stick out too far.

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RE: OFFICIAL MONSTER GT 8.0, MMGT FORUM - 5/10/2008 1:52:01 AM

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Alright guys,

This is to confirm that the axle extenders for TMaxx from New Era Models work on our MGT. So for those of you who want to run proline Wabash or any of their beadlock series go get these! Say bye bye to your steering problem. No mods needed to make these fit and they fit like a glove. Page 3 on the link below has some nice comparion shots. Take note at the birds eye view shot, you can see a big difference between the two.

http://community.webshots.com/album/562025697XGWJlX

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RE: OFFICIAL MONSTER GT 8.0, MMGT FORUM - 5/11/2008 7:32:41 PM

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I'm about to buy either a MTA4 S50 or a MGT 8.0. (I know that both are the same it just depends of if my dad is willing to buy it from US and ship it here.)

What's the best method to break them in? I've been having a Kyosho Ultima RB buggy for a while now and when I broke that in I left it idling elevated for 2 tanks. Then 3-4 I put it on the ground and let it run around with low speed.

But lately I've been reading different methods to break in and I'm not sure on how I should do it :P Some says doing the way I did last time and other says drive it around with pretty low rpm but speed increases sometimes.

Please help me.

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RE: OFFICIAL MONSTER GT 8.0, MMGT FORUM - 5/12/2008 3:45:33 AM

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Everyone says heat cycle method is the best. Thats all I have ever used and its what my local hobby shop does as well. You can find all sorts of info on heat cycle on the forums here, youtube, and just about anyplace else lol.
I just ordered the full proline bead lock kit (adapters, moabs, wheels everything). I got the wheels and am waiting for the adapters and tires and stuff for next week. From what I have been reading here these will not work with the mgt 8.0??? Please tell me it works lol. I didn't get the narrow rock crawler ones, I got the normal monster truck stuff. IF it doesn't work, what exactly does it do and what do you need to fix it? This is gonna be a bummer if it wont work lol. 140$ down the drain?? I hope not. =(

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RE: OFFICIAL MONSTER GT 8.0, MMGT FORUM - 5/12/2008 4:35:03 AM

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Everyone says heat cycle method is the best. Thats all I have ever used and its what my local hobby shop does as well. You can find all sorts of info on heat cycle on the forums here, youtube, and just about anyplace else lol.
I just ordered the full proline bead lock kit (adapters, moabs, wheels everything). I got the wheels and am waiting for the adapters and tires and stuff for next week. From what I have been reading here these will not work with the mgt 8.0??? Please tell me it works lol. I didn't get the narrow rock crawler ones, I got the normal monster truck stuff. IF it doesn't work, what exactly does it do and what do you need to fix it? This is gonna be a bummer if it wont work lol. 140$ down the drain?? I hope not. =(

Don't sweat it, they fit and will work. The problem with most of the wide 40 series wheels/tires and especially the beadlocks is the wide with and the bl rings tend to rub as you turn right or left and max out your turn. For some they can live with the trade off. I just bought the same tire and wheel combo as you for bashing. Just built them and yet to test fit on the truck. But probably won't be happy with decreased turning radius as it's already ok at best with the stock wheels. So if your not happy after you get them on just look at these adapters as mentioned above.

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RE: OFFICIAL MONSTER GT 8.0, MMGT FORUM - 5/12/2008 5:02:55 AM

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forlorm22,

Look at my recent post about proline wheels and our MGT's. Going with any wide Proline wheels even non beadlocks with the Proline 23mm adapter will practically make your truck "unsteerable". If you think the stock was bad the proline ones are a lot worst. You need to get the axle extenders. Look at page 3 of my webshots link, it will have some pics for you to compare stock vs extended axle. Big difference. I had to do this with my LST 2 also.

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RE: OFFICIAL MONSTER GT 8.0, MMGT FORUM - 5/12/2008 12:18:18 PM

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So do you need those extenders along with the proline adapters? or instead of the adapters? I'm using a mgt 8.0 so its stock 22 mm. Wish they would have made it easier on us and just made a common size lol. Correct me if I'm wrong but it says thats all 4 extenders so you should just need to order one package right? I'm gonna try the proline stuff I suppose and see how it goes but that really stinks if it really takes away steering lol. I'm a basher, that truck hasn't ever been on a track yet but I like to be able to turn fairly tight and was thinking about adding the steering mod and a different steering servo when I can afford it, guess maybe I should have done that before I did the tires and rims but I liked the look.

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RE: OFFICIAL MONSTER GT 8.0, MMGT FORUM - 5/12/2008 1:56:50 PM

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So do you need those extenders along with the proline adapters? or instead of the adapters? I'm using a mgt 8.0 so its stock 22 mm. Wish they would have made it easier on us and just made a common size lol. Correct me if I'm wrong but it says thats all 4 extenders so you should just need to order one package right? I'm gonna try the proline stuff I suppose and see how it goes but that really stinks if it really takes away steering lol. I'm a basher, that truck hasn't ever been on a track yet but I like to be able to turn fairly tight and was thinking about adding the steering mod and a different steering servo when I can afford it, guess maybe I should have done that before I did the tires and rims but I liked the look.

Yeah go ahead and try it out and see how badly it kills the steering...lol I was hoping it would not take away too much but sounds like most of the 40 series does, especially the beadlocks...Still I like the looks of them as well on those wide Moab tires. Basically if you get those extenders they will replace the 23mm Proline adapters you have. I have the regular proline adapters as well...So would be in the same boat as you. So you need 4 extenders in total if you go with them. Stock 8.0 hexes are 23mm actually...But they fit nothing but stock type wheels unfortunately. Most other hex's are smaller, but I guess AE was worried about the torque of the .50 would tear up the wheels so they put on big oversize hex's.

The FT steering system and upgraded servo would be a good idea, as I plan to do this as well...Thought by itself it will not give you the extra steering. But it will quicken it for sure. I should have my wheels on by tonight and will see how it all looks and what the turning ability is down to. You may have to limit the rate on the radio if you do rub or eventually you will rub into your turnbuckles or whatever else it hits, not to mention grind down the inner beadlock ring as well.

Tulucai how long did it take to get those adapters once you ordered them? New Era is located in England? Is there a U.S. source or another brand we can use? Maybe I did not look close enough but do you have pics with them on?

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RE: OFFICIAL MONSTER GT 8.0, MMGT FORUM - 5/12/2008 4:26:56 PM

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K223,

NewEra is in US. I live in California, I think they are somewhere in Indiana or somewhere around there. Takes about 3 days.

forlorm22,

If you have not bought the Proline adapters, then save your money I am telling you I have them and they are just sitting in my spare parts box.

So I broke all my cars in this weekend. I would say that the MGT 8.0 and LST 2 has the best engine layout design. The way they are positioned it is easy to use the roto start and easy to make sure the engine piston is on BDC after you stop the truck. LST 2 has great and fast steering. Savage XL seems like HPI really forgot something. They extended the chassis on the rear of the truck but did not extend the rotostart shaft! You have to like angle it in a weird way and go through between the shocks to start the truck. Kindda awkward. And I hate the safety feature of the starter, when the engine hydro lock you would have take the whole thing back out, move it a bit and try to pop the safety button back out. AE and Losi's rotos dont have that problem! The Savage XL comes with an engine heatsink protector, but it seems like they forgot to extend it for the longer chassis! So you cant use it! Throttle servo of Savage is pretty bad, its too weak to pull the throttle open and hold with the return spring. The servo keeps twitching. The TMaxx's servo had problems with Futaba's spectrum receiver right off the bat. Voltage issues. Well anyways, after doing troubleshooting turns out its the steering servo. So it was keep the stock receiver with stock servo, or keep the Futaba spectrum receiver and change the servo. I did the later, a Hitec 340 oz servo! Wow, makes me want to get this servo for all my trucks now. One thing I hate about the TMaxx, the way the engine is placed with that huge pipe they added, its tough to make sure the engine is on BDC!

All in all breakin for the MGT 8.0 was the toughest (with settings from the manuals), however if you use the settings AE gives you breakin was easy. All the trucks broke in fairly easy. I dont know if the MGT was so tough back then cause it was my first RC, so did not know the little tricks to getting the engine up and running when problems occured. I will be taking the trucks out next weekend to bash.

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RE: OFFICIAL MONSTER GT 8.0, MMGT FORUM - 5/12/2008 4:36:38 PM

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Is the method this video shows a good way to break this engine in?:
Link to youtube

Atleast that uses some sort of heat cycle and I've heard people saying that Idling damages your engine more then running it at low rpm because you want to put a little bit of stress on your engine but not to much.

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RE: OFFICIAL MONSTER GT 8.0, MMGT FORUM - 5/12/2008 4:43:54 PM

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ORIGINAL: tuclai

K223,

NewEra is in US. I live in California, I think they are somewhere in Indiana or somewhere around there. Takes about 3 days.

forlorm22,

If you have not bought the Proline adapters, then save your money I am telling you I have them and they are just sitting in my spare parts box.

So I broke all my cars in this weekend. I would say that the MGT 8.0 and LST 2 has the best engine layout design. The way they are positioned it is easy to use the roto start and easy to make sure the engine piston is on BDC after you stop the truck. LST 2 has great and fast steering. Savage XL seems like HPI really forgot something. They extended the chassis on the rear of the truck but did not extend the rotostart shaft! You have to like angle it in a weird way and go through between the shocks to start the truck. Kindda awkward. And I hate the safety feature of the starter, when the engine hydro lock you would have take the whole thing back out, move it a bit and try to pop the safety button back out. AE and Losi's rotos dont have that problem! The Savage XL comes with an engine heatsink protector, but it seems like they forgot to extend it for the longer chassis! So you cant use it! Throttle servo of Savage is pretty bad, its too weak to pull the throttle open and hold with the return spring. The servo keeps twitching. The TMaxx's servo had problems with Futaba's spectrum receiver right off the bat. Voltage issues. Well anyways, after doing troubleshooting turns out its the steering servo. So it was keep the stock receiver with stock servo, or keep the Futaba spectrum receiver and change the servo. I did the later, a Hitec 340 oz servo! Wow, makes me want to get this servo for all my trucks now. One thing I hate about the TMaxx, the way the engine is placed with that huge pipe they added, its tough to make sure the engine is on BDC!

All in all breakin for the MGT 8.0 was the toughest (with settings from the manuals), however if you use the settings AE gives you breakin was easy. All the trucks broke in fairly easy. I dont know if the MGT was so tough back then cause it was my first RC, so did not know the little tricks to getting the engine up and running when problems occured. I will be taking the trucks out next weekend to bash.

Do you have the part# of the Hitec 340oz servo? Do you have one in your 8.0 currently? I upgraded to a receiver pack and it makes a good difference in steering, but still want to upgrade the servo soon. Nice little comparison notes you put up for the beginning go over and small issues you have found. Looking forward to hear the performance reports!

Yeah New Age is in New Hampshire....What was I thinking....LOL So should I order the adapters now and have them sooner then later as I only have the Proline adapters on hand to start using with the big wheels and tires....Luckily I got them cheap as they sound as if they will be spare parts in the toolbox. Can I see a link to your truck sitting with the adapters on and the wheels currently? I just want to make sure they are not pushed so far out that the truck starts looking ridiculous or so wide that this in itself will cause issues in tight places or if I throw it on the track with 40 series crimefighters. I have a feeling they may help in steering here as well....

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RE: OFFICIAL MONSTER GT 8.0, MMGT FORUM - 5/12/2008 4:49:14 PM

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Is the method this video shows a good way to break this engine in?:
Link to youtube

Atleast that uses some sort of heat cycle and I've heard people saying that Idling damages your engine more then running it at low rpm because you want to put a little bit of stress on your engine but not to much.

I still hear of some using the idle break in starting with the first tank or two of fuel, but in many cases I think they run the motor quite lean and therefore it heats up fast and hot just idling. Then they richen it up as they progress and then finally drive it. Might be more suited towards the experienced nitro vehicle rc'er then the novice. I know putting it on the ground making sure your starting off on the rich side and not exceeding 50 percent full throttle for the first round of tank fulls and just varying the throttle is one of the safe and effective procedures. Just monitor temps with a temp gun and get the heat up. If your on the richer side and within safe operating heat range and don't over push it, you should be fine. Make sure you bring the piston down to BDC after each tank full and let it cool off. Leaving the piston in the pinch area TDC or close to it as I have always read can be harmful to the ABC engine.

K223

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