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Laser engines are beautiful. I have two.. a V 200 and a V 300. I haven't considered the Laser 80 for the N11 thinking it was too strong an engine? Maybe not?
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Laser engines are beautiful. I have two.. a V 200 and a V 300. I haven't considered the Laser 80 for the N11 thinking it was too strong an engine? Maybe not?
the more i look at the Laser, the more i want one..............thinking the 80, but the 100 isn't much bigger at all vs the 80...........it's only 8mm taller, 4.5 oz's heavier(should help the balance), and will swing a bigger prop. i do not want to get into grossly overpowering this plane, but the extra the 100 has is beneficial as long as throttle management is used. i'll wait for opinions on my thinking, so hopefully someone has some input on this.
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My Laser came from Proctor, who is the/a US distributor. It wasn't in stock, had to be ordered, and took about 8 weeks to get. Proctor's price was better than what I would have paid direct from Laser. The dollar has weakened since I ordered mine, so Proctor's prices look even better now. If the dollar continues to soften the engine prices are going to have to increase. My advice, if you want one, buy one now.
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My Laser came from Proctor, who is the/a US distributor. It wasn't in stock, had to be ordered, and took about 8 weeks to get. Proctor's price was better than what I would have paid direct from Laser. The dollar has weakened since I ordered mine, so Proctor's prices look even better now. If the dollar continues to soften the engine prices are going to have to increase. My advice, if you want one, buy one now.
Jim
thx for the input, and i do plan to buy one now, but i'm stuck between choosing the 80 or the 100..................which displacement did you buy?
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I hear the Laser engines are very high quality. I'm considering the 80 for my future Proctor Jenny project. It is one of the lowest height 4stroke engines on the market and one of the few that can fit within the engine compartment of the Jenny. Just about anything within reason can fit comfortably under the Nieuport 11 cowl. A fellow in Australia outfitted his with the Saito Triple 90 BobH mentioned. It looked pretty cool.
Work continues on the N11 lower wings. The laminated wing tips turned out better than I could have hoped. The Titebond soaked into the balsa and turned it into one solid chunk of wood with no springback. Its also a bit lighter than the reed so I'll use the technique on the empenage too where weight saving counts. The parts in the photos below show the them layed out for assembly. I used a small amount of the Proctor cherry mahogany stain on the main spar. Its a personal preference but I think less is more when it comes to staining. If you use stain make sure it is lacquer thinner or alcohol-based. The oil-based stains (Minwax) look better but can interfere with glue adhesion.
I was dreading working with the spruce stock used in the kit but was worried for nothing. The stuff is a pleasure to work with and is of the highest quality. You have to cut everything with a razor-saw and sand the final fit but it goes quick. This kit is a real pleasure to build so far.
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My Laser is an 80. If I'm not mis-remembering, the original Proctor N11 used a Super Tigre 56 for power. I thought the 80 would be enough, and it was what Proctor Enterprises recommended. Electric is another possibility; clean; no good sounds, though. Another 4 stroke with low height is the rotary valve RCV CD series, not the geared ones. They're really short and will fit in a lot of places.
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A question came up about wheels for this plane. Lou Proctor's plan shows 5" OD tires and it looks scale to my eye. Proctor's Enterprises 5" wire wheels are beautiful and very rugged but cost $115. I think I might go with the Williams Vintage 5" with white tires for a different look. They are not exactly lightweight either but only cost $27/pair and because I live 20 miles from the factory here in Austin I can watch them being assembled when I buy them. Dan the owner is a WWI RC builder too. How cool is that?
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well i'm being wishywashy about the motor (real anal on this aspect for some reason ) and i'll get over it...........but the wheels are another thing.........decided to buy both, the wire and the plastic...............wire for display, and the plastic for flying. the static prop is a must have as well.
i really want to thank Mike here for this topic.....being away from the hobby for 15 years, i didn't even think about Proctor for some reason, and now Mike has led me down the right path. hope this thread goes to the end.
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Here the the engine pics:
For comparision to see how other engines might fit the Nieuport 11, shown left to right are a Saito 82, a Laser 80, and an RCV 91CD. They will all go in the Nieuport cowl. The RCV is the shortest and heaviest. The Laser height dimension to the crank center is actually a bit more than shown because the mounts are offset from center.
Satio 82: weight 18.5 oz, 3.7" high (bottom of motor mount to top of engine), 2.2" width of engine mounts oa, 4.2" approx length drive washer to carb rear Laser 80: weight 25.0 oz, 3.7" high, 2.3" width, 5.3" length RCV 91CD: weight 28.75 oz, 3.4" high, 2.56" width, 4." length. (all dimensions and weights approx)
Proctor Nieuports are great, no matter which engine is installed.
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Mike, Good to see another N-11 getting started. Just another data point for you regarding suitable engines; I'm using an early '80's Enya .60 2-stroke into a Tatone "muffler" turning an equally old TF 14-5 wooden 'RC' prop. Flys great!
I'm certain that 5" wheels for this a/c are too small, but not by much. I believe the originals are 28", but I may be mistaken. Since 5" are commonly available, it makes the choice easy. (making 5.5" wire wheels was not a fun project) Keep up the good work.
maybe not. at any rate, you made the choice a lot easier for me. my problem with engines is that i come from a Free Flight competition background....it was always "screamers" or nothing. having built 2 of the Nieuport 28's, i'm looking forward to the 11 with the Laser.
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) and i'll get over it...........but the wheels are another thing.........decided to buy both, the wire and the plastic...............wire for display, and the plastic for flying. the static prop is a must have as well.