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Building the Proctor Nieuport 11 - 11/22/2007 9:38:55 PM   
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Status: online 		I've been wanting to build a Proctor museum kit for some time now and finally decided the first will be my Nieuport 11. Being a 1/5 scale model of a small WWI French scout it will be easy to transport, won't take up too much building room and I already have a nice .60 engine for it. As the photo's show, the kit comes with a huge amount of hardware and premium components. Most of the parts are already cut, drilled, soldered, etc. So this project should be a snap...well, we'll see.

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RE: Building the Proctor Nieuport 11 - 11/22/2007 9:49:40 PM   
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Status: online 		I've decided to construct the wings and tail surfaces first so they can be stored while the fuselage goes together. The first item to tackle is fabricating the ribs. The rib webs are die-cut 1/64 ply that I stained with lacquer-based oak. The cap-strips are just strip balsa I left bare for contrast. I deviated from the instructions by creating a sliding clamp out of lite-ply so that I can hold the rib together firmly while I glue it together with CA. The Proctor method is to pin everything down flat on a board and glue with Ducco. With 90 ribs to cap like this I just don't have patience for that.

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RE: Building the Proctor Nieuport 11 - 11/22/2007 9:54:45 PM   
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Status: online 		Here is a pic of my clamping jig arrangement. First I lay the web on a piece of thick cardboard the same shape which is glued to the board. Then I clamp the cap-strips around it and lift the whole assembly from the board. Glue it together and presto, insta-rib. After the first couple glued themselves to the clamp I rubbed candle wax on the surfaces and it cured the sticking problem. Only 89 ribs to go!

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RE: Building the Proctor Nieuport 11 - 11/22/2007 10:32:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Watching your build. I bought one of these kits a year ago. It was an older kit by Lou Proctor himself. Should be interesting to watch you.

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RE: Building the Proctor Nieuport 11 - 11/23/2007 1:54:46 PM   
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Status: online 		Bob,
I enjoyed your Camel thread so much that I'm glad to offer something in return. Proctor must have sold a lot of Nieuport 11's. Funny you don't see many built though. I hope this thread can help change that. With a 63" wingspan it's quite manageable.

One of the things I'm working on right now is substituting balsa strip laminations for the bamboo wingtips. The bamboo has a habit of returning to it's original shape and distorting outlines on finished models. Bob, I heard the earliest Proctor Nieuports featured the lamination method. If your kit does I'd sure like to know how Lou Proctor did it. My current plan is a strip of 1/64 ply and 3 strips of 1/16 balsa. With the strips cut 3/16 wide I should end up with a D shaped cross-section roughly 3/16 x 3/16.

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RE: Building the Proctor Nieuport 11 - 11/23/2007 2:42:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		i built the nieuport 28 15 years ago..............totally relate to building of the ribs. i sold it to a man from japan, and it only cost what he paid me for it again to ship it.....something like 900 bucks.
after seeing your thread here, i think i just found my next project as a long time buddy is scorning me severly for coming back to the hobby and flying ARF's.........he wants so badly for me to build something that this is just the perfect project.......................

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RE: Building the Proctor Nieuport 11 - 11/23/2007 3:25:27 PM   
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Status: online 		Hi Summerwind,
Please feel free to join in with your build. Maybe we can talk BobH into starting his too! The Nieuport 28 is a bit more complex so the N11 should be a snap after that experience. The N11's cabanes, landing gear, spun cowl are all top shelf just like the N28. It looks as though it all simply bolts together.

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RE: Building the Proctor Nieuport 11 - 11/23/2007 3:31:34 PM   
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Status: online 		Here are some pictures off the http://www.proctor-enterprises.com website:

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RE: Building the Proctor Nieuport 11 - 11/23/2007 3:39:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		up to now i was looking for a scale project for my OS 1.60 twin..............gave the cub a thought, decided against it. gave the Nieuport 28c another thought as i felt i cheated myself by not covering and flying the one i had, but it would be a royal pain to try and build one right now as to the little time i have for building and the room it takes................but for some reason, i never even realized that the 11 was one if not the first kit the Lou came out with and what better project than this to satisfy my desire to build.
i love complicated projects, and while the 28 was a time consuming build, there was nothing more gratifying than standing back and just looking at the plane in it's uncovered state.

the 11 with be every bit as challenging for me and will fit into my building time and space to the tee.......................thx so much for posting this today.

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RE: Building the Proctor Nieuport 11 - 11/23/2007 3:41:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		oh and BTW, i'm not going to use the 1.60 in the 11, i'll probably use an OS 61SF i have or an OS91fs with a big prop.

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RE: Building the Proctor Nieuport 11 - 11/23/2007 5:12:52 PM   
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could i ask you to give me the measurement from firewall to face of cowl?

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RE: Building the Proctor Nieuport 11 - 11/23/2007 5:28:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CrateCruncher

One of the things I'm working on right now is substituting balsa strip laminations for the bamboo wingtips. The bamboo has a habit of returning to it's original shape and distorting outlines on finished models. Bob, I heard the earliest Proctor Nieuports featured the lamination method. If your kit does I'd sure like to know how Lou Proctor did it.


I like to use the bamboo(or reed) dowel but make up a balsa support to go inside of the bamboo outline.I hope this makes sense and is just for your consideration.If you like I'm sure I have a picture somewhere I can post.

I have the plans for the 11 and was thinking of blowing them up to 1/4 scale but am now leaning towards a nieuport 27 or an SE5a.Of course this is far in the future.

J

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RE: Building the Proctor Nieuport 11 - 11/23/2007 5:39:25 PM   
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Status: online 		I found this picture of a nice Proctor N.11.I think there were two of them at the Dawn Patrol event(Oregon).Nice flyers.


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RE: Building the Proctor Nieuport 11 - 11/23/2007 5:46:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was in love with this model LONG before (decades before) I got into RC. I still have a well-worn Proctor catalog from the 1980's and I remember looking enviously at the box at a local model shop. But in those days the $250 price tag might as well have been a million.

In many ways, this model (and it's really more the model than the specific aircraft) completely redefined my ideas of what scale modeling was about.

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