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any ideas? - 11/26/2007 12:27:40 AM   
keithn4


 

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Status: offline 		i think ive grown out of my super cub. i have logged up well ova 40 flights on it. im from ireland and have to fly in the wind alot.

the question i would like to ask is which of these two plane would the best to buy?

typhoon 3d

http://www.boyztoys.ie/index.php?sub...etails&id=2138

protech 330

http://www.boyztoys.ie/index.php?sub...etails&id=5388

could you please help with the pros and cons of each plane, like which handles wind the best, what sort of speed etc, also an idea on flight time with both would be great.

thanks keith

would you have any idea of what up grades would work with each plane.

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RE: 2nd plane. which best? - 11/26/2007 12:50:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'd say neither, you could probably get away with the pz typhoon but I'd recommend something like a gws e-starter.... so you could get some aileron experience before tackling the unforgiving low-wing terror

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RE: any ideas? - 11/26/2007 1:15:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		I see on the site you posted that they have Stryker 27 B's. I would not normally reccomend for a 2nd plane but more like a 3rd or 4th. The only reason I bring up the 27B is the fact you mention you have lots of wind. the 27b can handle 10 - 20 MPH winds. In fact it get more fun the windier it gets. For a 2nd plane however it is a bit fast and will take some getting used to. If you have 40 flights in your cub and the cub is still in one piece, this MIGHT be a good move.

I live near Buffalo NY and the winds are wild out this way, the Falls and Spring weather is always wet as well. The stryker, being a belly lander, is perfect for extending my flight season

I know I'm going to get some disagreement these points from others..

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RE: any ideas? - 11/26/2007 1:00:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		My comments on your two selections:

While the Protech 330 looks like a nice deal, the information does not list the manufacturer. It could be a decent plane from a decent manufacturer, or you might find the electronics to be complete junk that need to be totally replaced. This plane would be a gamble.

The Typhoon is from a well established manufacturer and has a terrific reputation. I have the original Typhoon that I have been flying for 1 1/2 years. The only criticism that I have is that the plane flys so well inverted, that its very easy to loose orientation. Most flyers that I know who have the Typhoon have found a way to mark the wings so that its cleraly obvious which is the top and which is the bottom. I painted the top of my plane red, left a white strip around the middle and painted the bottom blue. No loss of orientation and no crashes. I know three flyers who went from the SuperCub to the Typhoon and they all did well. Just keep the transmitter set to the low rates until you a REALLY comfortable with it.

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RE: any ideas? - 11/26/2007 6:55:45 PM   
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leo

i think this is a dirrect link to the protech website,

http://www.protech.be/html/t0441extra330l.html

the site that i first posted is my local hobby shop and they say its the package that is on the protech website that thy are offering. is the package any good?

thanks for any help.

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RE: any ideas? - 12/9/2007 9:41:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		40 flighs on the cub and you have out grown it? That is amazing!

Your flighs are all perfect take offs and landings? Never a problem?

Loops are nice and round? Tail stalls and such are all well mastered?

You must be really good!

Then go for the Typhoon. You must be a natural.

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RE: any ideas? - 12/10/2007 11:57:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		I didn't think you were the sarcastic type Ed

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RE: any ideas? - 12/10/2007 12:44:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey, if the guy has mastered the plane in 40 flights, that is incredible. I flew my Aerobird Challenger for hundreds of flights and I never felt I had fully mastered all its abilities.

I have seen people pick things up really fast, much faster than I. Then again, I have seen people say they have mastered a plane, except for take-offs and, .... well sometimes they still crash on landing.

Without some kind of criteria, how do you know you mastered it?

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RE: any ideas? - 12/10/2007 4:33:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Maybe he means he is confident with it... and perhaps a little bored with it?
Maybe he wants that little feeling in his stomache when he flies again... a little more difficult, exciting plane.
I know when I fly my cub now... I don't worry that I'm going to crash it. I'll even take it up in some crazy wind and I'm not worried what will happen to the cub.
So, I've got some other planes now.... and I feel like a virgin again... that feeling in my knees... excited and scared at the same time for the maiden.
Maybe thats what he is looking for again? Haha, just a guess... probably more like projecting my own feelings and putting words in his mouth. Hehe, just offering a possibility.

What about the Multiplex Mini Magister, or the Multiplex Gemini... along with the Typhoon 2, or the Trojan T-28. Those seem to be decent foamie planes that might make good aileron trainers... a good second plane. For my first aileron plane I went with the Tiger Moth 400. While it is a decent plane... I kind of wish I picked something different. Not disappointed... just wish I had picked a plane that is a little tougher in case I crash.

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RE: any ideas? - 12/10/2007 5:22:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Crashing should be less of a criteria for the second plane. You should be able to take-off and land your first plane with total confidence before going to the second.

Then challenge the wind. Fly in 5, 10, 15 mph and be able to fly with total confidence.

Then get some basic aerobatics down. Nice clean loops. Try inverted. Even R/E planes can be rolled.

Not saying to hold back on a second plane, but these are the things I recommend before someone feels they are ready to move on to more complex planes. otherwise they just trash that second plane pretty fast.

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RE: any ideas? - 12/10/2007 5:32:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Keith,

If you are still following this thread:

The Protech doesn't look bad, but may be a bit on the fragile side. It looks like the planes manufactured by Sapac, which are nice flying planes, but are quite fragile.

Although I've seen several flyers go directly from the SuperCub to the Typhoon, and do OK (thankful for CA, epoxy and packing tape), your better bet would be to get an intermediate plane before jumping to a low wing like the Typhoon or Protech Extra. The Multiplex Minimagistar (Minimag) and ParkZone T-28 are excellent. Another choice might be the E-flite MiniUltrastick (MUS).

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RE: any ideas? - 12/10/2007 5:59:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey,whats wrong with picking it so fast? I too became an expert on just two flights! Every thing Ed has said I can do too, its just the crashing part that I have to master as of yet.

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RE: any ideas? - 12/10/2007 6:20:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DocHoliday

Hey,whats wrong with picking it so fast? I too became an expert on just two flights! Every thing Ed has said I can do too, its just the crashing part that I have to master as of yet.


Crashing? I mastered that on the second flight. Never had problems with that one.



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RE: any ideas? - 12/10/2007 9:12:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		I personally took the advanced specialisations:

- Crashing into a tree
- Crashing into myself
- Crashing while inverted

Took me a few more than 2 flights to figure out how to do each of them...

Seriously though:

Not sure I would suggest the Mini Ultra Stick as a second plane unless the pilot was really very very competent. Perhaps with really docile control throws, but otherwise way too breakable and way too responsive.

Sackofhammers - sorry to hear the moth didn't work out so well for you - they do keep glueing back together though (mine is so bent she turns 90 degrees when I pull her through a loop).

Cheers,
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