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ORIGINAL: Jeff489

I hate to bring them up, but there are some issues that seem to be major and have caused contention in the past. I think any new organization must address these issues adequately to bring unity to the hobby. Some of the tankers on this forum don't battle their tanks, and there are some things that Tamiya compatible tanks can do that real ones could not and we should get everyone's thoughts on the following items: (Due to the volatility of the issues below, the rules are that you should only state your opinion on the items below, or add new items to the list, not give your opinion about someone else's views, and #2, this is a brainstorming session, so no criticism of fellow posters allowed!) The idea is that we find out what the mood of tankers alll over the world are on these issues, and not decide the issues here. So give your opinion, but play nice, because there's going to be divergent opinions on this.

1. Fan shot (i.e. shooting whilst pivoting in place). For those who don't know, emitters stay on for about 1.5 seconds after you fire the main gun (you can check this with your digital camera). Pivoting whilst firing allows you to "spread" your shot across about 180 degree arc. You can shoot many tanks bunched up in the open with this tactic. Tankers who use this will sprint out to prime firing positions, and then fan away before the opposition deploys. Some clubs allow, some don't.

2. 45 degree shot (i.e. turning the barrel in your turretless tank destroyer to orient the emitter/barrel in a direction other than where the apple is pointing. The barrels only traverse 15 degress or so, but its called the "45 degree shot" )...Yes, that's right, apples don't register shots at angles too well (especially at a distance), thus you can shoot along an axis you where you are immune to incoming hits from your target. This is not a big problem now, as there are few TD's out there, but the Jagdpanther's release is sure to bring it up more often. Most clubs allow.

3. Slope defense. (i.e. backing your tank up on a hill, elevating your barrel to max and fighting in place. The angle of the fins (due to the tank's position on a slope) on the apple blocks all incoming shots). Most clubs allow.

4. Sunken apples. (i.e. the mushroom head of the apple is sunken to just above the cupola rim, and the lights in the apple are moved to remote locations on the turret.) The advantages are it looks good, disadvantages are that it lowers the sillouette, and allows the tank to hide its apple better by parking behind obstructions that a tank without the apple lowered could not hide it's apple behind. It doesn't seem to affect counter hit reception abilities. Some clubs allow, some don't.

5. Tank speed and turret traverse speed (i.e. many of Tamiya's tanks run too fast to be historically accurate.) Most clubs that care about this arbitrarily assign hits to the tank during prebattle inspection to handicap this advantage. Some clubs allow, but most don't care about this.

6. Emitter placement (i.e. the placement of the IR emitter can greatly affect the spread of your IR beam). Placement of the IR emitter in the barrel impedes the flash unit. This can be used to great advantage during a night battle. Placement of the emitter too close to the end of the tube can allow the emitter to be a flashbulb, and can have the effect of shooting around corners (very nice during urban combat, but unfair).

If I have described these issues incorrectly, I apologize. Please help me define the issues more clearly with your post.

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I hate to bring them up, but there are some issues that seem to be major and have caused contention in the past. I think any new organization must address these issues adequately to bring unity to the hobby. Some of the tankers on this forum don't battle their tanks, and there are some things that Tamiya compatible tanks can do that real ones could not and we should get everyone's thoughts on the following items: (Due to the volatility of the issues below, the rules are that you should only state your opinion on the items below, or add new items to the list, not give your opinion about someone else's views, and #2, this is a brainstorming session, so no criticism of fellow posters allowed!) The idea is that we find out what the mood of tankers alll over the world are on these issues, and not decide the issues here. So give your opinion, but play nice, because there's going to be divergent opinions on this.

1. Fan shot (i.e. shooting whilst pivoting in place). For those who don't know, emitters stay on for about 1.5 seconds after you fire the main gun (you can check this with your digital camera). Pivoting whilst firing allows you to "spread" your shot across about 180 degree arc. You can shoot many tanks bunched up in the open with this tactic. Tankers who use this will sprint out to prime firing positions, and then fan away before the opposition deploys. Some clubs allow, some don't.

2. 45 degree shot (i.e. turning the barrel in your turretless tank destroyer to orient the emitter/barrel in a direction other than where the apple is pointing. The barrels only traverse 15 degress or so, but its called the "45 degree shot" )...Yes, that's right, apples don't register shots at angles too well (especially at a distance), thus you can shoot along an axis you where you are immune to incoming hits from your target. This is not a big problem now, as there are few TD's out there, but the Jagdpanther's release is sure to bring it up more often. Most clubs allow.

3. Slope defense. (i.e. backing your tank up on a hill, elevating your barrel to max and fighting in place. The angle of the fins (due to the tank's position on a slope) on the apple blocks all incoming shots). Most clubs allow.

4. Sunken apples. (i.e. the mushroom head of the apple is sunken to just above the cupola rim, and the lights in the apple are moved to remote locations on the turret.) The advantages are it looks good, disadvantages are that it lowers the sillouette, and allows the tank to hide its apple better by parking behind obstructions that a tank without the apple lowered could not hide it's apple behind. It doesn't seem to affect counter hit reception abilities. Some clubs allow, some don't.

5. Tank speed and turret traverse speed (i.e. many of Tamiya's tanks run too fast to be historically accurate.) Most clubs that care about this arbitrarily assign hits to the tank (the more over the limit you are, the more hits you get) during prebattle inspection to handicap this advantage. Some clubs check this, but most don't care about this.

6. Emitter placement (i.e. the placement of the IR emitter can greatly affect the spread of your IR beam). Placement of the IR emitter in the barrel impedes the flash unit. While the flash unit can be installed with the emitter in the barrel, most just leave the flash unit out. This can be used to great advantage during a night battle as your flash unit will signal your position and that you are indeed firing. Placement of the emitter too close to the end of the tube can allow the emitter to be a flashbulb, and can have the effect of shooting around corners (very nice during urban combat, but unfair).

If I have described these issues incorrectly, I apologize. Please help me define the issues more clearly with your post.