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RE: flyzone diablo - 2/23/2008 5:50:22 PM   
paul daniel


 

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Status: offline 		Hey guys, especially StormJunkie: There are much better flying planes than this one out there and good deals too. Great Planes makes some great planes but this one is not one of them. "A" for effort but "D" for execution. I just flew my Multiplex Twister yesterday and it's a hoot. Made out of foam and just as tough as the Diablo. I have my Diablo sitting on the floor of my work area and will probably sell it at a swap here in Wisconsin.

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RE: flyzone diablo - 2/23/2008 5:57:01 PM   
Erik St.


 

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Status: offline 		Crashed again, oddly it was because it was flying so well. with out the deflector I felt it had a little more speed and all the loops were solid with no stall at the top. I tried one from about 10ft and this one did not go as well. I can't imagine hitting the ground harder unless you tried. Pieces everwhere, pod over there, wing over here, tail flopping....After a clean up and 30 min of glue and tape and I back in business.

Caution, and I'm so thick headed I've done it twice now, after a crash, after digging out the grass and mud, if the motor makes a funny noise DON'T stare into it from the front. One of these times the rotor s going to hit me in the face rather than the other side of the room. Twice the hex-head srew have come lose on me.

I bought one of the Very Severe Damage kits, and will let you know how it looks.

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RE: flyzone diablo - 2/23/2008 7:24:23 PM   
StormJunkie


 

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Status: offline 		Good to see ya Erik and Paul.

Paul, I agree that this is not a "out of the box" great plane, but I still think that the brushless upgrade, and possibly the dual brushless upgrade will make it a much better plane. I have gotten my Ammo brushless in and expect the winds to be down tomorrow, so I will let y'all know how it flys. Did you ever put a brushless in yours?

Erik, you going to try a brushless dual pod?

Anyone out there tried one with twin Ammo 20-40-3500s?

Also thinking about taking the servos off of the advanced wing and trying to install them on the beginner wing. Will remove the outer tips of the beginner wing if I try this. Still a ways down the road though. If she flies well with the brushless then I will put them in the dual pod and try the sport wing. If that does now work I'll try to move the servos over.

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RE: flyzone diablo - 2/23/2008 7:43:49 PM   
idealhobbies


 

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Status: offline 		Could someone with the advanced wings please measure them. I'm curious what the wingspan ends up being with the advanced wings installed.

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RE: flyzone diablo - 2/23/2008 8:46:51 PM   
paul daniel


 

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Status: offline 		Hey Guys: I've used the Ammo and it runs great. As far as the wings. If you would wack the outer tips of the trainer wing at the bend, they would be the same size as the upgraded wings. Not a bad itea about servos in the trainer wing too. I think it would be pretty easy to do.

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RE: flyzone diablo - 2/23/2008 11:31:28 PM   
StormJunkie


 

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Status: offline 		Still getting rid of it with the Ammo in it Paul? And if it were your first real bird would you still get rid of it with the Ammo in it?

I am sure I will add a plane at some point, but I am going to keep the Diablo until I am absolutely certain I can not make it fun with the advanced wings. I always have been a little stubborn though! I just like the looks of it. Alot of the other foamies I see are flying wing types. I do like the looks of the Multiplex twister though. Thanks for the tip!

As for the wingspan with the advanced it is something like 26" + or - 1/2"

The Advanced wing is fairly different in shape then the beginner wing. The advanced wing may have the same area as the beginner wing if you clipped the outer portions, but it is in no way the same as the beginner wing with out the outer part. It is shorter then the beginner wing by about 7-1/2" and even if you clipped the beginner wing, ti would still be about 4" shorter. I would be interested in figuring our exactly how much area a clipped beginner wing has.

Almost forgot, for those of you trying to add weight to the nose of this plane, I would scrap the lead for 1/8" or under carbon fiber rod. Granted I have not beta tested this yet, but I do have it on my plane. Hopefully I won't go noes down and therefore will not get to test it. What I did was took the nose cone and dremeled small channels along the edge as well as the two angles on the under side of the nose. The pieces on the sides run almost to the tip of the nose and extend back on to the plane. The ones underneath are shorter but still bridge the nose with the rest of the plane. I put them in place and glued them in with some CA...Not sure if that will hold under stress or not, but I expect the carbon rod to break away at some point, just hope it can release some of the stress on the nose if it does go down. Basically I no longer have a removable nose cone, but I am not sure that matters as the male foam piece on the fuse usually breaks if you have a hard nose down. Well, will report after flying tomorrow...

< Message edited by StormJunkie -- 2/24/2008 12:42:39 AM >

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RE: flyzone diablo - 2/24/2008 12:59:36 AM   
Erik St.


 

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Status: offline 		I think my nose has 6 lateral glus seams.... don't need as much weight in the nose anymore. My news for the day is that after one landing/crash one of the beginner wing tips fell off. What a perfect time to rip off the other one and try it out.

ANSWER: NO GOOD, basically it didn't have enough lift. I could fly, and do loops, but it was always a bit af a battle to really maintain speed and 20% of the time it was sucking/pushing on the power of the EDF rather than flying and generating lift from the wings, if you know what I mean. So it was not obviously faster, but it was more precarious so I say no good, and the glue is setting right now to re-attach the dihedral tips right now.

Tomorrow my goal is to burn through 4 LIPOs and have no repair work!


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RE: flyzone diablo - 2/24/2008 2:13:24 AM   
StormJunkie


 

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Status: offline 		Did you balance your cog after removing the dihedrals? Not sure how much difference it would make, they are pretty close to the cog anyway. just curious...

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RE: flyzone diablo - 2/24/2008 12:48:15 PM   
paul daniel


 

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Status: offline 		Guys. Here's another thought from somebody who flew the plane configured both ways. I had the trainer wings and advanced wings next to each other. If you take the outboard section of the trainer wing off, they would be the same length as the advanced wings, however if you are not installing ailerons in your new short wing, it will fly as described by Erik. A major difference between the two wings, besides the length is that the trainer wings have an under camber where as the advanced wings are simply semi-symmetrical so just by cutting off the outboard sections will not make the plane fly better as Erik found out.

Just as a reminder, I flew the plane configured both ways. It flies ok as the trainer but is underpowered as you all have found out. Don’t even go down the twin pod advanced wings road. It’s more than a “chubby little bird” (I love that saying), it’s a flying brick. I think I figured it out and even if you could get both can motors out of the duel pod, you would have to sink about another $150 into the plane. $150 and you would be almost to a Twister or something else. If you guys are looking for projects, I have some in my hangar right now that you could finish off for me and they will fly much better than the Diablo.

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RE: flyzone diablo - 2/24/2008 1:02:02 PM   
pcpadgett


 

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Status: offline 		Well. Sent my Tx and Rx off a month ago because they continued to glitched on the Diablo. Use my old Jr Sport in the meantime. Got the Tx and Rx back, installed them last night, went out this morning, no wind, range tested, perfect conditions. Diablo flys straight out to about 1000 feet, here we go again. The radio starts to glitch worse than ever, EDF go off, then back on, off, on....... EJECT, EJECT, EJECT. Diablo goes down. End of story. Will I rebuild this junk. No Way. I have 5 other plane that fly great.

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RE: flyzone diablo - 2/24/2008 2:04:59 PM   
StormJunkie


 

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Status: offline 		Morning Paul. And while your assessment of the cost of of the dual brushless is correct, what you are not considering is that you are still getting some good parts that can be used on other planes if the upgrade is not worth it. That said, have any opinions on Nitro planes?

padgett, what is supposed to be the range on these Tactic TX/RX systems? I can not imagine they are the greatest, but you are talking about problems that are occurring over three football fields away, and while I know better Tx/Rx systems can handle that with ease, I would not really expect that out of the Diablo...Just my take. My next step is to upgrade my radio and maybe get another Scratch and Dent...

Oh, well, look forward to flying today!

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RE: flyzone diablo - 2/24/2008 2:40:39 PM   
paul daniel


 

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Status: offline 		StormJunkie: True if the upgrade does not work out but still all that work. Gotta give you an A+ for trying with the Diablo. Have not heard anything bad about Nitro planes except for the Seawind but have had my eye on an AV-10 Bronco they are closing out at $89 that I would electrify. I've had to Broncos and they flew great. Flew as in they are not with me anymore. My bad.

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RE: flyzone diablo - 2/24/2008 3:04:49 PM   
pcpadgett


 

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Status: offline 		I don't think it is the distance. The radio started to glitch about 200-300 feet out. I tried to gain some altitude to bring her back down. I still think there is some problem between the ESC and the Rx. I have read others complaining. I am glad the Diablo is dead. Just under powered and radio is junk. Flyzone/Hobbico gets an F on this one.
P.S. they lost my Tx and Rx in the repair shop and had to send me a new one.

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RE: flyzone diablo - 2/24/2008 4:49:13 PM   
northchim


 

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