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paul daniel -> RE: flyzone diablo (2/23/2008 5:50:22 PM)
Hey guys, especially StormJunkie: There are much better flying planes than this one out there and good deals too. Great Planes makes some great planes but this one is not one of them. "A" for effort but "D" for execution. I just flew my Multiplex Twister yesterday and it's a hoot. Made out of foam and just as tough as the Diablo. I have my Diablo sitting on the floor of my work area and will probably sell it at a swap here in Wisconsin.

Erik St. -> RE: flyzone diablo (2/23/2008 5:57:01 PM)
Crashed again, oddly it was because it was flying so well. with out the deflector I felt it had a little more speed and all the loops were solid with no stall at the top. I tried one from about 10ft and this one did not go as well. I can't imagine hitting the ground harder unless you tried. Pieces everwhere, pod over there, wing over here, tail flopping....After a clean up and 30 min of glue and tape and I back in business. Caution, and I'm so thick headed I've done it twice now, after a crash, after digging out the grass and mud, if the motor makes a funny noise DON'T stare into it from the front. One of these times the rotor s going to hit me in the face rather than the other side of the room. Twice the hex-head srew have come lose on me. I bought one of the Very Severe Damage kits, and will let you know how it looks.

StormJunkie -> RE: flyzone diablo (2/23/2008 7:24:23 PM)
Good to see ya Erik and Paul. Paul, I agree that this is not a "out of the box" great plane, but I still think that the brushless upgrade, and possibly the dual brushless upgrade will make it a much better plane. I have gotten my Ammo brushless in and expect the winds to be down tomorrow, so I will let y'all know how it flys. Did you ever put a brushless in yours? Erik, you going to try a brushless dual pod? Anyone out there tried one with twin Ammo 20-40-3500s? Also thinking about taking the servos off of the advanced wing and trying to install them on the beginner wing. Will remove the outer tips of the beginner wing if I try this. Still a ways down the road though. If she flies well with the brushless then I will put them in the dual pod and try the sport wing. If that does now work I'll try to move the servos over.

idealhobbies -> RE: flyzone diablo (2/23/2008 7:43:49 PM)
Could someone with the advanced wings please measure them. I'm curious what the wingspan ends up being with the advanced wings installed.

paul daniel -> RE: flyzone diablo (2/23/2008 8:46:51 PM)
Hey Guys: I've used the Ammo and it runs great. As far as the wings. If you would wack the outer tips of the trainer wing at the bend, they would be the same size as the upgraded wings. Not a bad itea about servos in the trainer wing too. I think it would be pretty easy to do.

StormJunkie -> RE: flyzone diablo (2/23/2008 11:31:28 PM)
Still getting rid of it with the Ammo in it Paul? And if it were your first real bird would you still get rid of it with the Ammo in it? I am sure I will add a plane at some point, but I am going to keep the Diablo until I am absolutely certain I can not make it fun with the advanced wings. I always have been a little stubborn though! [sm=71_71.gif] I just like the looks of it. Alot of the other foamies I see are flying wing types. I do like the looks of the Multiplex twister though. Thanks for the tip! As for the wingspan with the advanced it is something like 26" + or - 1/2" The Advanced wing is fairly different in shape then the beginner wing. The advanced wing may have the same area as the beginner wing if you clipped the outer portions, but it is in no way the same as the beginner wing with out the outer part. It is shorter then the beginner wing by about 7-1/2" and even if you clipped the beginner wing, ti would still be about 4" shorter. I would be interested in figuring our exactly how much area a clipped beginner wing has. Almost forgot, for those of you trying to add weight to the nose of this plane, I would scrap the lead for 1/8" or under carbon fiber rod. Granted I have not beta tested this yet, but I do have it on my plane. Hopefully I won't go noes down and therefore will not get to test it. What I did was took the nose cone and dremeled small channels along the edge as well as the two angles on the under side of the nose. The pieces on the sides run almost to the tip of the nose and extend back on to the plane. The ones underneath are shorter but still bridge the nose with the rest of the plane. I put them in place and glued them in with some CA...Not sure if that will hold under stress or not, but I expect the carbon rod to break away at some point, just hope it can release some of the stress on the nose if it does go down. Basically I no longer have a removable nose cone, but I am not sure that matters as the male foam piece on the fuse usually breaks if you have a hard nose down. Well, will report after flying tomorrow...

Erik St. -> RE: flyzone diablo (2/24/2008 12:59:36 AM)
I think my nose has 6 lateral glus seams.... don't need as much weight in the nose anymore. My news for the day is that after one landing/crash one of the beginner wing tips fell off. What a perfect time to rip off the other one and try it out. ANSWER: NO GOOD, basically it didn't have enough lift. I could fly, and do loops, but it was always a bit af a battle to really maintain speed and 20% of the time it was sucking/pushing on the power of the EDF rather than flying and generating lift from the wings, if you know what I mean. So it was not obviously faster, but it was more precarious so I say no good, and the glue is setting right now to re-attach the dihedral tips right now. Tomorrow my goal is to burn through 4 LIPOs and have no repair work!

StormJunkie -> RE: flyzone diablo (2/24/2008 2:13:24 AM)
Did you balance your cog after removing the dihedrals? Not sure how much difference it would make, they are pretty close to the cog anyway. just curious...

paul daniel -> RE: flyzone diablo (2/24/2008 12:48:15 PM)
Guys. Here's another thought from somebody who flew the plane configured both ways. I had the trainer wings and advanced wings next to each other. If you take the outboard section of the trainer wing off, they would be the same length as the advanced wings, however if you are not installing ailerons in your new short wing, it will fly as described by Erik. A major difference between the two wings, besides the length is that the trainer wings have an under camber where as the advanced wings are simply semi-symmetrical so just by cutting off the outboard sections will not make the plane fly better as Erik found out. Just as a reminder, I flew the plane configured both ways. It flies ok as the trainer but is underpowered as you all have found out. Don’t even go down the twin pod advanced wings road. It’s more than a “chubby little bird” (I love that saying), it’s a flying brick. I think I figured it out and even if you could get both can motors out of the duel pod, you would have to sink about another $150 into the plane. $150 and you would be almost to a Twister or something else. If you guys are looking for projects, I have some in my hangar right now that you could finish off for me and they will fly much better than the Diablo.

pcpadgett -> RE: flyzone diablo (2/24/2008 1:02:02 PM)
Well. Sent my Tx and Rx off a month ago because they continued to glitched on the Diablo. Use my old Jr Sport in the meantime. Got the Tx and Rx back, installed them last night, went out this morning, no wind, range tested, perfect conditions. Diablo flys straight out to about 1000 feet, here we go again. The radio starts to glitch worse than ever, EDF go off, then back on, off, on....... EJECT, EJECT, EJECT. Diablo goes down. End of story. Will I rebuild this junk. No Way. I have 5 other plane that fly great.[:@][&o]

StormJunkie -> RE: flyzone diablo (2/24/2008 2:04:59 PM)
Morning Paul. And while your assessment of the cost of of the dual brushless is correct, what you are not considering is that you are still getting some good parts that can be used on other planes if the upgrade is not worth it. That said, have any opinions on Nitro planes? padgett, what is supposed to be the range on these Tactic TX/RX systems? I can not imagine they are the greatest, but you are talking about problems that are occurring over three football fields away, and while I know better Tx/Rx systems can handle that with ease, I would not really expect that out of the Diablo...Just my take. My next step is to upgrade my radio and maybe get another Scratch and Dent... Oh, well, look forward to flying today!

paul daniel -> RE: flyzone diablo (2/24/2008 2:40:39 PM)
StormJunkie: True if the upgrade does not work out but still all that work. Gotta give you an A+ for trying with the Diablo. Have not heard anything bad about Nitro planes except for the Seawind but have had my eye on an AV-10 Bronco they are closing out at $89 that I would electrify. I've had to Broncos and they flew great. Flew as in they are not with me anymore. My bad.

pcpadgett -> RE: flyzone diablo (2/24/2008 3:04:49 PM)
I don't think it is the distance. The radio started to glitch about 200-300 feet out. I tried to gain some altitude to bring her back down. I still think there is some problem between the ESC and the Rx. I have read others complaining. I am glad the Diablo is dead. Just under powered and radio is junk. Flyzone/Hobbico gets an F on this one. P.S. they lost my Tx and Rx in the repair shop and had to send me a new one.

northchim -> RE: flyzone diablo (2/24/2008 4:49:13 PM)
I have a love/hate thing for the Diablo. I am new to RC planes, only been flying since Christmas. I bought 2 planes at once, the Multiplex Easystar and the Diablo. I tried flying the Diablo first, but that was a disaster. I had no expierence whatsover and didn't know the first thing about CG and trimming, etc... So I tried a few times and crashed within seconds every time, so I put it away. I started flying the Easystar instead. Man what a great first plane! I cannot say enough great things about this plane. That elapor foam is fantastic. I have now cut my teeth on that plane and got enough confidence and knowledge to try the Diablo once again. And my second attempt went much much better than the first let me tell you. I understood how to find CG and trim a plane correctly and the Diablo flew like its supposed to. It flew fast enough for me (a beginner) and I could land her fairly smoothly. Now that being said, here's what I've discovered: The first thing I found odd was some radio/receiver glitches. I did not know what was happening because I was so new, but after reading some forums and finding others with the same problem, I realized I was having those radio problems as well. They did cause me to crash a couple of times. CA glue works pretty well on the Diablo I can tell ya. Next I can tell you I don't like the engine pod unprotected on the bottom of the fuse. My pod had pieces broken off, lost the diverter, just taking a beating from landings, not to mention every landing I had to remove the chunks of dirt and grass from the fan blades. The foam is not as durable as Hobbico claims it is on the website. Have you seen the PIC of the foam being twisted? That's not the same foam my plane is built with! As much bad press and glitches this plane has, I still thinks it looks cool and deserves another chance. After severly crashing it one day, I decided not to attempt to glue it back together, but rather buy a new Diablo from Scratch & Dent. I have some new things to try out on this new plane that I'm excited about. I'm going to break in the motors with my "Ice Charger". I am installing the dual motor pod right away and am experimenting with retofitting some landing gear on the Pod. I'll let you know how it turns out. I may try cutting the tips of the trainer wings off instead of purchasing the advanced wings and see how that goes. I will definitley be looking for any sign of radio/receiver glitches on the new radio. If they occur again, I have already decided to purchase the Spektrum DX7 and make the switch. If after that the plane performs like I hope it does, I will pop for the brushless set up (maybe Ammo, maybe another motor) because I know it will be underpowered to some degree. I'm supposed to receive my new Diablo tomorrow and can't wait to get it in the air. Let you know how it goes. Gary Check out one of my first attempts with my first Diablo. It's pathetic. http://youtube.com/watch?v=yvVFPNb8AYA

StormJunkie -> RE: flyzone diablo (2/24/2008 10:51:22 PM)
northtrim, read a few posts back about trimming the wings. Does not sound like a great idea. I think Erik St tried it. Anywho, after all my work of putting the brushless in the single pod and reinforcing the nose with carbon fiber rod, I had to fly today no matter what... Winds are around 13-18mph today....Flew both the single brushed and the single brushless. Brushless performed better, but most RC planes would have some trouble in that wind and the Diablo is just not cut out for it. Had fun though. Kept the brushless up for awhile, but always ended up having to fight the wind and had quite a few noes down crashes. Made all repairs at the field after about 7 crashes between the two planes. Easy field fixer most of the time. CA and some tape...Good to go. Carbon fiber makes repairs even stronger, just try and use the smallest and lightest pieces of carbon rod and stripping you can find. As for my preinstalled carbon fiber rods that I channeled and glued in to the nose and the fuse of the plane made all the difference in nose down crashes. Almost no compression on the foam. A few posts back I explained how I put the Carbon fiber in the nose area of the plane. I would strongly recommend doing this as opposed to just adding lead to the front of the plane. This along with the carving out an area for the battery to slide forward are musts for flying this plane. I had several nose down crashes from between 20 and 30 feet up. The final one popped some of the CF rod out of the channels I had made, but the whole nose section of the plane was still in good shape. I will channel another nose cone and put some CF rod on it and the plane will look almost new except for where tape has peeled paint off. Still undecided on how good the brushless motor is, although it is better. Need a calm day to figure it out....

Erik St. -> RE: flyzone diablo (2/25/2008 2:46:24 AM)
Mine glitches as well, but only once has it caused a crash. Northtrim, loved the video. Exactly what my first flight was like, before I got the weight forward. I wouldn't cut the wing tips off; I flew today with them back on and it's clearly not a good thing to do. I did however flatten out the tips and it flys well. I won't swear it's better than angled tips, but it's certainly better than no tips. Try it all for yourself if you like, it's easy enough. Paul Daniels, as in QF2 DLG, or just coincedence? http://www.mountainmodels.com/product_info.php?cPath=25_28&products_id=205&osCsid=6bf727df636eaa9dc7808ab2359687af

xring01 -> RE: flyzone diablo (2/25/2008 4:21:03 AM)
Well I was in the store today, and ended up buying a Diablo. Please note, I had not read this thread.... Brought it home, put the batterys on the charger, ripped out the Rcvr and installed a Receiver that I had for my Futaba radio...because I liked my futuba radio better than the one supplied in the box. Put the plane together, made all the recommended checks....made a changes to the set up...Took it out behind the house...winds were higher than I liked...6-8mph... Tossed is in the air, at full power..It slowly sped up...climbed a bit, I flew it around for about 10 minutes before I came in for a landing.. It flew quite well for me. It was very slow flying into the wind. So I just vectored at 45 degrees into the wind to get the plane back to me and then would do higher speed passes down wind and did a few rolls... I could have done a better job at landing it. I did damage it a bit, but not much,,,thats because I stalled it at to high altitude and it nosed in from about 10 ft. No reel damage. Got home, found this thread on the Diablo. WOW, I was surprised to see the problems alot of you have had. Maybe I just got lucky and got a decent one...Yeah it is a bit underpowered, but I really wasnt looking for a speed demon. I just dont have the room to fly a faster plane. I would like it to have a bit more speed, I may upgrade to a brushless in the future. But I think I will be happy with it as it is for a while. I had fun with it. Maybe I should try to see if I can find some ways to lighted the plane up a bit. Just to get more performance out of the stock power plant. Really cant wait to fly it with less wind...

xring01 -> RE: flyzone diablo (2/25/2008 4:33:48 AM)
I do have a question though... What are the parts for the hyperflow for...Are they a performance upgrade...or are they to be installed if and when a brushless motor is used???? What is the Hyperflow Parts for? The instructions are a bit vague on this.

northchim -> RE: flyzone diablo (2/25/2008 6:35:11 AM)
StormJunkie: Thanks for pointing out that post Erik St. wrote about cutting off the wing tips. I missed that earlier and won't waste my time trying it. Channeling carbon fiber rod into the fuse sounds like a good idea and sounds like you were able to prove its effectiveness. I nosed down my first Diablo so many times; I can see how reinforcing the fusewould be a must do if your Diablo is going to survive for the long haul. Erik St: Thanks for the info on the wing tips, I'll probably just keep my wing tips on. xring01: I wasn't sure about the extra parts either at first. I believe they are just that. [8\|] I'm glad you had a successful maiden flight. I'm hoping my new scratch & dent plane is the same way. What are some good ways to lighten a plane overall?

mbliss90 -> RE: flyzone diablo (2/26/2008 4:25:20 PM)
The best way to lighten up this over weight bird is to get the dremmel out with the 1/4 sanding wheel and dig into the section behind the canopy clear back to the tail. Also inside the canopy in between the motor pod drill holes to get rid of extra weight. This does lighten it up but it is not a fast plane and with the advanced wings it is really hard to get much performance from it, and this is even with the recomended brushless setup. I am using this with trainer wings to train my kids to fly, it does fly much better with the trainer wings. I have not had any of the glitching issues with the brushless setup, hope that stays that way. When I am done with training my kids to fly I will send it off after gutting it. You also must keep a stick with you when you fly, as this thing is a ditch digger upon landing.

northchim -> RE: flyzone diablo (2/27/2008 4:57:18 AM)
Thanks mbliss90. I'm wondering if doing that will result in a noticable gain in performance? I'm hearing that the Flyzone recommended Ammo brushless motor is not a significant improvement, has anyone heard of anyone installing anyting better? I am in the process of testing landing gear for my bird. Let you know how it turns out.

northchim -> RE: flyzone diablo (2/27/2008 5:24:34 AM)
I am seriously ready to upgrade to a brushless motor. What's out there that's super fast and will fit? Which ESC should I get? Thanks.

newjak -> RE: flyzone diablo (2/27/2008 7:23:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: northchim I am seriously ready to upgrade to a brushless motor. What's out there that's super fast and will fit? Which ESC should I get? Thanks. A friend of mine put these into his Diablo and it flies quite nicely. Loop easily. Although he hasn't tried the advanced wing yet. I think it has enough speed to handle it. http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30968

northchim -> RE: flyzone diablo (2/27/2008 8:49:22 PM)
Thanks newjak. That is exactly what I was looking for. I sort of agree with what your friend said about not buying one unless you really just have to have one. I really like the look but won't spend much more money than I already have. I think Hobbico should redesign it, work out the bugs and call it the Diablo II or something.

northchim -> RE: flyzone diablo (2/28/2008 2:31:32 PM)
Newjak: DO you know how difficult it was to install. Is that motor the same diameter as the stock motor?

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