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RE: To Spektrum or not to Spektrum - 11/29/2007 4:32:12 PM   
polikarpov i16



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From: hobart, WI, USA
Status: offline 		the nearest club is 30 miles away
and the nearest strip of land you could possibly land on is over 2 miles away
I am not puting anyone in danger
I just want to walk to the school
fly 30 minutes of 3d
and walk home
I will have 2.4 ghz when I complete my 1/4 gee bee r2 1933 version with flaps
for all the same reasons you guys do
just having a little fun with you guys
too cold to fly here
just boared
I am also waiting for gen 3 2.4
Ill give it a year or 2



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RE: To Spektrum or not to Spektrum - 11/29/2007 4:51:01 PM   
DadsToysBG



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Status: offline 		When talking safety or talking about the posability of causing harm is not something to make light of. Think about this. what about the kid down the block from the school thats flying and know nothing about you. What happens then? The AMA set a safety standard on our radios for a reason. Now with all the "toys" on the market on 72 it will or has caused accidents. One of the main reasons for clubs other then sharing a passion for the hobby and the fellowship of friends is to control the radio channels for safety sake.
The biggest reason you see here on RCU that people are moving to 2.4 is the fear you and others are creating by not being in a club. Your post here just reinforces that fear. I fly GS some of my planes can reach $6000, some jets $20,000. Even a 40 size will go thru a wind shield of a car. What if that car is on the road with kids doing 50mph. This all because you and others just want to walk a short distance and play.
Within a few years you and others won't be much of a danger to most of us, but there will still be a few that will crash and not know why.
FM came out in the early 70's. Narrow band in 1992. Don't expect 2.4 to make any changes for some time.
Dennis

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RE: To Spektrum or not to Spektrum - 11/29/2007 7:07:27 PM   
polikarpov i16



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Status: offline 		if you came to my house and looked around you would feel safe flying in the school across the street
I fly all my larger stuff at a airstrip about 5 miles away
I always have a spotter
I always check what channel someone is on if there happens to be someone else there
it sounds like you live in a area with alot of people around
I do not
I am surrounded by woods
I only fly my eflite cap 232 profile at the park across the street
it is not a $10 piece of crap - just a fun little aircraft
all of the cheaper aircraft that I have seen were also on a channel 38 or higher
I am on 15
still uncommon but I do a range check anyway
Im just lucky I do not have to go far to have some fun and still be safe
if my cap lost controll it would only get stuck in a tree
having fun in the back woods
crazy Joe

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RE: To Spektrum or not to Spektrum - 11/29/2007 7:26:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		I just want to throw 2 cents in here.
I'm a long time AMA member and club member, but like many of my fellow club members our homes are not anywhere near an established field, in my case it's about 25 air miles to our field (closest). Many of us fly small electrics on our properties with 72Mhz radios and have never run into a problem. I don't think crazy Joe is doing anything wrong as long as he is certain there is no established R/C club in the area.
The only "fix" for shootdowns is to go DSS, though I seriously doubt that the overall crash rate with DSS radios will be significantly lower. Too many other factors involved for it to be a cure all
Pete

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RE: To Spektrum or not to Spektrum - 11/29/2007 7:42:15 PM   
jmohn


 

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Status: offline 		I change to Spektrum because I was shot down twice at an uncontrolled field and once at a local school. I live in a large city and fly at a local school and always had "glitches" while flying. I am sure someone was testing their plane/heli in their home, or flying in a yard somewhere, but could never see anyone. Had one go down and made the switch the next day. Uncontrolled fields and schools are the perfect place for using Spektrum. I have since not had one issue while flying. I don't have to worry everytime someone shows up to fly and check with them about thier frequency because they don't know any better and just turn on their radio and start flying. If you are at a well contolled field, then it's not a big deal. Had one guy at a swap meet / show flying his plane while another guys was buying an old radio. The guys turned on the radio to make sure it worked and caused our guys plane to crash. So even at a controlled air space there are dumb people that forget about the rules.


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RE: To Spektrum or not to Spektrum - 11/29/2007 7:49:15 PM   
polikarpov i16



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Status: offline 		thank you pete
that is what I was trying to say
I am no word smith
I will be getting dss for my 1/4 gee bee just because I do not want to lose it when I do go to the field
at the rate I am building that will be in a year or so
I am hoping for telementry
all I want is a stall inducatior like when I was flying a full size cessna
I think that willl be possible once we get to about generation 3 of spectrum
it is already an option on many dss radios for surface
I am willing to wait for it
I consider the new radios comming out to be generation 2
happy flying
Joe

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RE: To Spektrum or not to Spektrum - 11/30/2007 1:58:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		Wow, simple question..stirrs alot of crontroversy. I guess I am guilty. I have 3 acres in the middle of hundreds of acres of farmland. The closest field is 10 miles as the crow flys. I am guilty of hovering and flying my helis right here. Does this make me a comunist? Or any other insults that have been flying?
Wags

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RE: To Spektrum or not to Spektrum - 11/30/2007 4:21:01 AM   
dick Hanson



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RE: To Spektrum or not to Spektrum - 11/30/2007 7:54:35 AM   
vasek



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ORIGINAL: wagspe208
I am guilty of hovering and flying my helis right here. Does this make me a comunist?


don't worry Wags you're no communist

as long as you know there's nobody within 3 miles it's fine. I was talking about people who fly within that radius & don't give a damn!

and it wasn't an insult; THEY ARE EX-COMMUNISTS & they have NO respect for regulations (well known fact all over Europe)

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RE: To Spektrum or not to Spektrum - 11/30/2007 3:33:34 PM   
DadsToysBG



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Status: offline 		Polik in his first post seemed not to care if he was causing any trouble with club flying while at the school yard. Even to the point of inviting more to join him.
With the advent of RC "toys" on the market now and no way of knowing where they are, and no legal right to control who uses them has placed the RC clubs in danger. Do we shot them down or do we loss a plane. The sale of these toys will only increase over time. It will become a real problem in the large metro areas. This will force even the sport pilot to make the move to 2.4. Somebody in a school yard will cause a injury and it will reflect on all of us.
It's no different when a person uses a air radio for his car down the street. Or the ham operator that wiped out your TV. (in the old days)
The move to 2.4 will insure that when the local goverment shows up at your field because there is a problem. You can show them you arn't the ones causing it.
Any accident that happens with RC will be blamed on the local clubs until proven otherwises. We are the ones in the spotlight.
It's up to us as a group to maintain a level of safety that no one can question if we are to keep this hobby growing.
Dennis

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RE: To Spektrum or not to Spektrum - 11/30/2007 4:22:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		It is likely that more of the introductory aircraft will come in 2.4ghz as well like the E-flite Blade CX2. They seem to have it down to a very cheap production cost now for a 5-ch generic Tx so probably it will be standard equipment soon. I don't agree that belonging to a club automatically makes anyone an angel ... plenty of people with membership cards break their own rules as well as put other people and property in danger. And plenty of club members also own affordable smaller planes -- the so called "toy." I'm sure this is off topic but I find it funny that people who fly smaller-than-full-scale real planes with a little box while standing on the ground can call an RC plane with a lesser price tag a toy while their aircraft is clearly a serious piece of equipment. : ) I think many pilots who fly real airplanes also think of their recreational aircraft as toys as they bring them personal joy to fly. They are all toys ... just bigger. As men get older, our toys just get bigger.

Still, I enjoy reading the notion that "Yours is a toy, mine isn't," for entertainment value. : )

- K

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RE: To Spektrum or not to Spektrum - 11/30/2007 4:51:12 PM   
DadsToysBG



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Status: offline 		As a LHS owner I use the term "toys" as something that generaly can't be repaired. One example I can use is Fly-Zone Piper. These products are geared to the general public/ It's on 72. One of the e-flight blades is on 72 the other is 2.4. I am careful in selling these items and try and tell people about the local club and what the radio can cause. This year Target is selling a full trainer system from GP. Now do you think they will direct the customer to the local club. Dennis

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RE: To Spektrum or not to Spektrum - 11/30/2007 7:12:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Should AMA doing anything about rc planes w/ controllers being mass marketed through traditional retail outlets?

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RE: To Spektrum or not to Spektrum - 11/30/2007 9:13:08 PM   
DadsToysBG



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Status: offline 		They can't. The 72 band is for aircraft, not for the AMA. At the time the AMA worked out with the FCC the use of 72 nobody else were using them. now we are seeing more and more companies with small planes on 72 sold everywhere. They are following the law in using 72. Only education can advert problems. The companies them selves would have to put a flier in the box telling the customer about the AMA and or the problem using t