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RE: I love the smell of glow fuel in the morning....... - 11/30/2007 7:26:49 PM   
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.....not to worry, jessie....there will never a final word on this subject.

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RE: I love the smell of glow fuel in the morning....... - 11/30/2007 8:46:12 PM   
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Another thread has just been reopened which promises to give The Final Word on the castor/synthetic issue. All this discussion is about to become moot.

jess


Uhhhh...O.K.

JMO but I don't think there ever will be a "final word"...but that's just fine by me...

I figure if something works for someone, then that's cool...it might be different than the way I do things, but so what, aye!?

Edit: didn't notice the 3rd page...oops Dave, ya beat me to it!

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RE: I love the smell of glow fuel in the morning....... - 12/1/2007 3:22:18 AM   
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Hey FBD, looks like you were sort of right!

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RE: I love the smell of glow fuel in the morning....... - 12/2/2007 4:33:09 PM   
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....thanks, Tom.....Cruella Power it is.

Maybe they should change it to "Calliente Power"....look how it burned that persons
hair in the picture black....may the person got too close to an engine running that stuff.

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RE: I love the smell of glow fuel in the morning....... - 12/2/2007 4:55:16 PM   
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Part 1: Why I would never run straight synthetic in my engines.

Let me answer a question by first asking a question. Which oil would you prefer to run
in your new engine....the best oil you ever came across, or the worst oil you ever came
across ? The answer is pretty simple, huh ? You would want the best.

Perhaps I shouldn't have such a disdain for synthetic oils. I made a darn good living
for many years, in part by the use of these lubricants, not by me, but from the customers
that came to our shop for repairs on their motorcycles. One of the first to come along was
NPG synthetic oil. It called for a 40:1 mix that wasn't too bad, except in extreme conditions,
or when the owner mixed the fuel at a leaner oil to gasoline ratio. Klotz came along and
was OK too, but Klotz wasn't used in minimal ratios, it was used at about 20 to 26:1 ratio.
It burned cleaner than some of the mineral oils of the day.

There came a time, when for some reason, the thinking of the day was that less oil was
somehow better for the engine than more oil. "More oil" being the standard factory
recommendation of a 20:1 mix, or 16:1 for racing or heavy duty applications. This is the
period when the fancy (and expensive) snake oils came into the market with all kinds of wild
claims about how their oil was so good, you could use less of it and still have outstanding
results with all the hoopla stated clearly on the label.

Less and less oil in the gas became popular. They got all the way to 100:1 mixture. Imagine
that....100 parts gasoline to only 1 part oil. The fuel for fools who didn't read the factory
recommendation of a good 20:1 mix, rather they believed the snake oil salesman's story
about less was better. The synthetics cost 2 to 3 times as much as decent mineral oil, but
the savings could be had because less oil was used....and this was even better than the plain
old fashioned oils that had been used for years. Something new, something fantastic to grab
the imagination (and pocketbook) of the new machine owner....yes, new and improved indeed.

You would have had to been at the shop during those many years to appreciate the joy me
and two other Journeyman mechanics had, as well as the laughter we shared as we inspected
untold hundreds of engines that were fried to a crisp using the snake oils.. When I say fried
to a crisp, I mean it looked like a blow torch had been taken to the engine with the intent of
destroying it. You could still smell the stink of the overheated metals that melted away. Pistons
that were almost gone around the top from melting....seized engines that had to be pounded
apart with a big hammer....the parts completely dry and devoid of any indication of lubrication
whatsoever.

You would have had to be there to see the crankshafts and rods that were seemingly welded
solidly together from the heat. Some frozen so tight they would not move even beating on
the rod with a hammer. Every time one of us opened up one of these fried engines we would
always call the others over to inspect the carnage, and have a good laugh, and boy did we
have some laughs. It was always about seeing an engine that had been destroyed even
worse than the one before....kind of a contest. The greater the destruction, the bigger the howl.

The destruction of these engines had to be seen to be believed. I must say that even now,
20 years later I still get a kick thinking about those destroyed engines. Of course my job
was to restore that engine to a pristine condition, just like new. It was fun being a top
mechanic in those days, we made great money. We had to tear down and rebuild the engine,
new bearings and such....as well as rebuild the crankshaft and rebore the cylinder, so we
made three monies from one engine working on commision.

Needless to say, to a good flat rate mechanic, the invention of the synthetic oils was just as
good as canned beer....we really liked them snake oils. Very profitable those oils, in the
accessory department were they were sold, and in the service department too.

So, what was the problem with these engines ? What caused them to self destruct ? The oil
caused the failures, nothing else....plain and simple. The synthetic oil failed to provide the
lubrication it said it would. If the owners had used plain old mineral oil, in the quantity stipulated
in the manual their engine would not have incinerated itself.

The synthetic oil failed miserably. It was a disaster for the perfectly good engines engines
that died a horrible death.

To be continued.

FBD.


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RE: I love the smell of glow fuel in the morning....... - 12/2/2007 5:44:16 PM   
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Dave, I am guessing you never saw 101 Dalmations? That is Cruella De Vil, the villainess.



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RE: I love the smell of glow fuel in the morning....... - 12/2/2007 5:50:33 PM   
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quote:

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Dave, I am guessing you never saw 101 Dalmations? That is Cruella De Vil, the villainess.




....no, I never did see that movie.

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RE: I love the smell of glow fuel in the morning....... - 12/2/2007 5:58:58 PM   
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Flyboy Dave quote: "Less and less oil in the gas became popular. They got all the way to 100:1 mixture. Imagine that....100 parts gasoline to only 1 part oil."
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The oil in our model engine fuel does more than lubricate and reduce friction. The oil also acts as a "heatsink" in that it carries heat out of the engine in the exhaust. Think about it. The oil in the fuel enters the engine at ambient temperature. As it flows through the engine it absorbs heat and transports this heat out of the engine. So even if there are "miracle oils" that will do the lubrication job at very low oil-to-methanol ratios...it can't do the heat reduction job at these low ratios. Some may argue about increased heat dissipation via increased methanol vaporization. There is some validity in this argument, but very low oil-to-methanol ratios will produce higher cylinderhead temps. Needlevalve settings also become more critical as less oil lowers the viscosity of the fuel. I used to run a lot of straight synthetic UCON MA731, which is no longer available. Now I run (and recommend) a castor-synthetic blend. Clarence Lee is right about the advantages of Castor.
Regards to all
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RE: I love the smell of glow fuel in the morning....... - 12/2/2007 6:03:33 PM   
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Dave, I know you said "to be continued"

I bet you will talk about why would they fail and why; even tho most of us are using the manufacturers recommended oil ratios in our glow engines. (18-20%)

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RE: I love the smell of glow fuel in the morning....... - 12/2/2007 9:59:39 PM   
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Does anyone remember "TF-580"? It was dark green in the gal. jug...(this was in the mid 70's )
It was one of those "miracle" synthetic oils that a snowmobile dealer sold my friend instead of "Blizzard Oil" (for his Ski-Doo )
Blizzard oil was good old Castor (might still be...I haven't really kept up w/ snowmobiling for the last decade or so )
I remember the TF-580 had the seemingly outragous claim that you could run it at 80:1 or even 100:1 ratio...so my buddy did...and fried his 440 TNT engine in a very short period of time. It might have been funny, buy we were many miles from home, and it was late at night, and very cold...(we were not happy! ...but I can sorta laugh now... )


I think that TF-580 was something like 25-30 bucks a gallon too...a LOT of $ (for us/him anyway ) back in 1975-76

I continued to run Blizzard oil...not only because I couldn't afford the synth. but also because I liked the smell of the castor based Blizzard oil.

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RE: I love the smell of glow fuel in the morning....... - 12/2/2007 10:26:47 PM   
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....yep, another one bites the dust. I wish I had the money spent repairing the
damage caused by synthetic oils on this Planet.

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RE: I love the smell of glow fuel in the morning....... - 12/2/2007 10:26:55 PM   
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Referring to the original topic of your post, I love the smell of glow fuel ANY TIME OF DAY -- but hey, it's got to have castor in it.

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RE: I love the smell of glow fuel in the morning....... - 12/6/2007 3:30:40 AM   
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It doesn't appear that too many folks want to hear the rest of the story....

....I don't blame them....it ain't pretty.

FBD.

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