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RE: Ultimate biplane, mid-sized arf.? - 12/4/2007 2:20:20 PM   
Ed Cregger


 

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I have been wanting to get an ultimate for a long time now. I stumbled across this guy at our club and told him that and he said that he had 2 of them for sale. I went to see them and they were both wrecked. I asked him how much and he said 100 dollars. I said each? He said no, 100 takes it all because I need to clean up my shop! So, I went home with two fuselages and 3 sets of wings. They are built from original Carl Goldberg kits. That was in September. I took the Roughest looking one and started pulling off the covering and the framework just fell apart (it was built with elmer's wood glue or something of that sort. I kept saying to myself, What have I gotten into????!!!!!! After hours of patience and massive rebuilding, It is together now and I couldn't be happier. The gear is Du-Bro and the new cowl and pants are from Stan's fiber tech.

Everyone that I have talked to says that they always want more power for their Ultimates. The best report that I've hear is using a YS 120s. I didn't have that kind of a budget so I went with a two stroke TT120pro. I ran it last night and all I can say is WOW!!!!! I will not be able to fly it untill February though because we will have snow untill then. So I will do the second one and Tinker with this one untill then.
Cheers!
Jeff



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Elmer's wood glue is one of the strongest glues around. It must have been something else. The wood will break before Elmer's glue joints will fail.


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RE: Ultimate biplane, mid-sized arf.? - 12/4/2007 2:29:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree with you. I am not recommending the use of a .91 four-stroke.

Mine (kit built) was powered with an Enya 1.20R four-stroke. Mine latest one, an ARF version, will be powered by either an OS FS 1.20 pumped four-stroke, or by a Saito 1.25a. Who knows, my Super Tigre G2300 (1.40) may end up on it if I'm not satisfied with the power output of either four-stroke.


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RE: Ultimate biplane, mid-sized arf.? - 12/4/2007 3:59:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		The 125 is a wonderful engine. Really, so is the pumped OS. We sure do have some fine choices these days.

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RE: Ultimate biplane, mid-sized arf.? - 12/4/2007 5:08:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ed, The glue used on the framework was kindof yellowish in color and was watersoluable ( I tested it ) so I don't really know what it was either. It was broken in many spots between the glue and the balsa like it never soaked into it. It must have dried very quickly to do that. I cannot wait to fly my Ultimate. 10 inches of snow one night followed by 1.5 inches of rain the next day at 47 degrees and today it is supose to reach 50! You can imagine the mess we have around here! my driveway is a big, slushy lake and my flight sim is down untill next week!!!! What a bummer!

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RE: Ultimate biplane, mid-sized arf.? - 12/4/2007 5:12:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ram 3500, your comment on Sean Tuckers flying is spot on! He is a great pilot. I've seen him on YOUTUBE several times and if only I could see that in person. Yes, Ultimates should be flown differently than the other conventional type biplanes in my book also.

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RE: Ultimate biplane, mid-sized arf.? - 12/4/2007 6:34:56 PM   
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Ed, The glue used on the framework was kindof yellowish in color and was watersoluable ( I tested it ) so I don't really know what it was either. It was broken in many spots between the glue and the balsa like it never soaked into it. It must have dried very quickly to do that. I cannot wait to fly my Ultimate. 10 inches of snow one night followed by 1.5 inches of rain the next day at 47 degrees and today it is supose to reach 50! You can imagine the mess we have around here! my driveway is a big, slushy lake and my flight sim is down untill next week!!!! What a bummer!



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It dawned on me after I made the post about Elmer's glue that I haven't kept track of all that Elmer's offers these days. My memories of Elmer's and Titebond (an aliphatic resin glue) are based upon information from decades ago. Things could have changed significantly since those days, even if those days seemed like yesterday to me. <G>

The old white Elmer's glue used to be super strong, but was not fuel proof. The aliphatic resin glues, such as Titebond, were fuel proof and very tough. Who knows what is on your Ultimate? Not me.

If one can stand a little cold (seldom below 30 degrees Fahrenheit), one can usually fly in my new home in North West Georgia. Unfortunately, being diabetic with lots of nerve damage below the waist, my feet feel freezing cold all of the time even when warm. I'm afraid to test them in the cold very much. Besides, Winter as I know it, never actually gets here most Winters, so there isn't too long of a wait until proper flying temps. Too bad you're not down this way so you could fly.

Be sure to tell us about your flying adventures when you do get a chance to fly. Post it as a continuation of this thread, please.


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RE: Ultimate biplane, mid-sized arf.? - 12/5/2007 3:08:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you Ed. Those were some very kind words. I hope you feel better soon. Diabetes is nothing to muck with. Our club is building a new site now and it will be completed in May. 700' asphalt runway and a 900' grass runway with a big clubhouse and RV hookups. The runway was put in right before the snow hit and the clubhouse and storage building is constructed. I cannot wait. Right now, for us it is great to be a member. Check out redappleflyers.org once in a while to see our progress. Yeah, I sure wish that I could be there in the winter to fly. I wouldn't like to be there in the summer very long though the humidity and temp would kill this Northwestern boy!!!!!!!
Jeff

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RE: Ultimate biplane, mid-sized arf.? - 12/5/2007 4:17:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		I've got a Goldberg Ultimate ARF and really like it. It went together easily with no real issues. The Ultimate is a real hot rod and I enjoy it every time I take it out, I went with a YS91 and for me it's the perfect match for this model. It doesn't have unlimited vertical but it gets small fairly quick. The only draw back to the YS is that it really likes fuel. A lot of it! I would imagine the new YS 110 would be even more ideal. If I were to buy another Ultimate it would more than likely be the Goldberg. I like the colors of the Seagull, though.

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RE: Ultimate biplane, mid-sized arf.? - 12/5/2007 8:06:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		I just maidened the world models ultimate 120. I used a os 120 ax 2 stroke and cannot think of using less .
World models are excellent quality with a lot of assembly already done, there hardwear is great as well.

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RE: Ultimate biplane, mid-sized arf.? - 12/5/2007 11:52:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		Deadstick Dan,
That's always been one of the issues I have with engines above the 1.00 size, they really suck down a ton of fuel, and at almost 20 dollars a gallon it gets to hurting my wallet real fast!
Along the same vein, I spent many years building larger and then even larger planes. It doesn't take long to learn that the cost of setting up anything larger than a 60-90 size model can escalate very quickly. Once I was cleaned out by the thieves, I decided to restock my hangar with quite a few .30 -.46 sizes and electrics, and nothing larger than a .90 size to keep the costs down. The unexpected bonus I got from this is the easier storage. These smaller planes and their wings will tuck right into the ceiling joists in my basement and 2 strings with hooks will hold them there neatly and easily. They're safe here too, that's a big one for me.
Fortunately, my eyesight is still good so I can see the smaller ones flying at a distance.

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RE: Ultimate biplane, mid-sized arf.? - 12/5/2007 1:59:45 PM   
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I prefer the .32 to .55 powered models the best. If I had to make the decision to choose just one basic size of models, this is the size range that I would choose too.

These models are large enough to fly really well and small enough to operate economically and be easy to store.


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RE: Ultimate biplane, mid-sized arf.? - 12/5/2007 4:23:04 PM   
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And of course, that's pretty close to the decision I had to make. The recent release of tons of what seem to be pretty well-made ARFs caught my eye, and the onset of viable electric power also has my interest. I started into the electrics pretty hard and then realized that here in Maine we don't have a great number experienced electric flyers for me to spend time with and learn from. I joined a club an hour from here and went there with my new electrics and some questions only to be snubbed pretty hard by these guys who thought I was a newbie because I was asking questions about setting up the electric models. So they're here, but the ones I've met so far, I'd just as soon have nothing to do with them. And at best they were intermediate flyers. I went back the next week with my Saito-powered birds and blew them away. I have a lot of friends in Texas who are actively into the electric models now, so I'm going to bide my time until I move back there and do a few things by phone with them in the meantime. This whole (silly) story is my lead-in to my plans to see how much effort electric flight requires, and whether electric is going to be viable by my standards with the 46, 60 and 90 sizers, and of course, whether it will save me time, trouble, and money in the long run. I have to say, I have a BIG bottle of 409, a roll of paper towels, and de-oiling a plane just doesn't bother me a bit. In fact, I'm a bit afraid that after 30 years I might suffer severe withdrawal without some nitro and castor oil soaking into my skin on a regular basis!
Back to the small-to-medium ARFs, I think that the most enjoyable thing has been the ability to break some of these new ARFs down easily (Wing tubes are COOL!) or even better, with some of them just popping them into my car or my truck bed in one piece. Probably the single coolest thing that has come from having to restock my hangar is the new Spektrum radio I got. Being an active flyer for 30 years now, I've been shot down my share of times, as have many of my friends. What a great feeling knowing that you're not going to be shot down! Of course, this now removes all doubt about the pilot error thing, so I'm going to have to be as good as I say I am......or I'll never hear the end of it!

Jim

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RE: Ultimate biplane, mid-sized arf.? - 12/5/2007 4:32:15 PM   
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I just maidened the world models ultimate 120. I used a os 120 ax 2 stroke and cannot think of using less .
World models are excellent quality with a lot of assembly already done, there hardwear is great as well.


You are right on about World Models. In the world of ARFs, they are in the top 10% IMO. That is in quality of airframe including fit and finish, covering, hardware quality and completeness (most even have pinned hinges installed correctly), quality of canopies and fiberglass parts, paint, added accessories like retracts and spinners (even good quality aluminum ones on some planes), and all this at competitive prices. Yes, World Models is proof that it can be done right, at an affordable price. Plus, they look good and fly great. I'm working on one of their AT6s and a 40 size Ultimate now. Both fine kits. Built the Rockwell P-51 last spring. Also a very nice ARF.

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