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Ultimate biplane, mid-sized arf.? - 11/28/2007 4:47:02 PM

JDV500

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good morning,

i'm shopping for an ultimate series arf biplane, seen the nitro 120 size plane but have heard that the build up and instructions are lacking in quality.

i'm looking for a decent arf that will take a .91 4-stroke to pull it, something around a 45" to 54" span. i really like the looks and size of the nitro plane, if anyone has faired well with it, pls let me know. or if there is a better arf out there that i should see, i'd greatly appreciate it..

lastly, been eyeing the "seagull" and the "goldberg" versions of the ultimate, both are at 54" spans and are in my price range and will take my .91 engine.
looking for feedback on these two models, if possible.

thanks in adv.

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RE: good ultimate bip arf.?? - 11/28/2007 4:51:27 PM

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Little bit bigger than you're looking for, but Great Planes do a good one. Should have those better manuals you seek.

http://www.greatplanes.com/performance/airplanes/gpma1307.html

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RE: good ultimate bip arf.?? - 11/28/2007 4:54:09 PM

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Discussing an Ultimate bipe such as this is a bit advanced for the Beginner's forum. I'm going to move this thread to the ARF's forum, which should be a more appropriate place for this discussion.

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RE: Ultimate biplane, mid-sized arf.? - 11/28/2007 7:22:48 PM

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Check out the one from The World Models

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RE: Ultimate biplane, mid-sized arf.? - 11/28/2007 8:23:53 PM

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founds tons of great referrals in the search section here,

thanks,

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RE: Ultimate biplane, mid-sized arf.? - 12/1/2007 4:20:58 PM

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JDV500,

I just bought this Seagull ARF Ultimate, it's a .90 - 1.20 size, I'll be powering it with a Saito 100. That sounds like it might be the size you're looking for. I've been looking it over and it really seems to be a nice ARF.

Here's a link to it, hope it works for you.

http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=SEA5050&utm_source=rcu&utm_medium=banner&utm_campaign=rcu_mp&utm_content=seaultimate90

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RE: Ultimate biplane, mid-sized arf.? - 12/1/2007 7:34:08 PM

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JDV500,

I just bought this Seagull ARF Ultimate, it's a .90 - 1.20 size, I'll be powering it with a Saito 100. That sounds like it might be the size you're looking for. I've been looking it over and it really seems to be a nice ARF.

Here's a link to it, hope it works for you.

http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=SEA5050&utm_source=rcu&utm_medium=banner&utm_campaign=rcu_mp&utm_content=seaultimate90

Jim

I have the Seagull ultimate also. Although the Saito 100 will probably fly it decently, I think you will be happier using a Saito 125. I have been powering it with the 125, It does fly really good but still seems to be a little short on power. Just my thoughts anyways.

Built up mine weighs right at 10lbs.

You are going to like it, Its a great flying aircraft and its very well built.

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RE: Ultimate biplane, mid-sized arf.? - 12/1/2007 9:43:20 PM

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Busted Blade, do you fly yours 3-D? This is exactly the same size and probably somewhat lighter than my Hog Bipe (9Lbs plus), which has for many years flown great with a Saito .91 four-stroke. Now by all accounts, the new Saito 100 is lighter than the .91 and it has more horsepower.

I'm absolutely not into 3-D, I'm an old fart who thinks that for the most part, people who want to hover should get a helicopter. The aerobatics I like are the old classics; tailslides, hammerheads, rolling circles, waterfalls, etc. Unlimited vertical isn't something I care about. I've had Saito 1.20's before and decided that I like the .91 sizes at the largest. The new 100 replaces them or I'd be strapping a .91 in there. The extra pound or so makes me think the 100 might be just right for this, though. For my type of flying, at least.
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RE: Ultimate biplane, mid-sized arf.? - 12/1/2007 10:37:41 PM

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Jim,

No 3D flying out of me(My skills arent up to par for that)LOL, Just what I would call agressive sport flying. I will ocasionally hover it at the top of a vertical climb. But in a hover the 125 really doesnt have what it takes to pull out of it. Dont get me wrong the 125 is a powerhouse and flies this plane great. Seems to have more than enough power for most everything else though.

The 100 would definatly fly it(My guess is as good as the 125), but not sure about its "pull out of trouble" performance if you needed it.

The two engines mentioned will easily perform all the menuevers you described.

I try to fly the ultimate in a scale like manner, with a Realistic looking flight pattern. I get many comments on it when I take it to the field, mostly on how it looks in the air and how good the plane flies.

good luck with yours, they are a lot of fun to fly!!!

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RE: Ultimate biplane, mid-sized arf.? - 12/2/2007 3:31:19 AM

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I have the Goldberg Ultimate and relly like the way it flys. These pictures were before I installed the wheel pants. It looks better now.

It is 54"

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RE: Ultimate biplane, mid-sized arf.? - 12/2/2007 6:02:53 AM

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I have been wanting to get an ultimate for a long time now. I stumbled across this guy at our club and told him that and he said that he had 2 of them for sale. I went to see them and they were both wrecked. I asked him how much and he said 100 dollars. I said each? He said no, 100 takes it all because I need to clean up my shop! So, I went home with two fuselages and 3 sets of wings. They are built from original Carl Goldberg kits. That was in September. I took the Roughest looking one and started pulling off the covering and the framework just fell apart (it was built with elmer's wood glue or something of that sort. I kept saying to myself, What have I gotten into????!!!!!! After hours of patience and massive rebuilding, It is together now and I couldn't be happier. The gear is Du-Bro and the new cowl and pants are from Stan's fiber tech.

Everyone that I have talked to says that they always want more power for their Ultimates. The best report that I've hear is using a YS 120s. I didn't have that kind of a budget so I went with a two stroke TT120pro. I ran it last night and all I can say is WOW!!!!! I will not be able to fly it untill February though because we will have snow untill then. So I will do the second one and Tinker with this one untill then.
Cheers!
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RE: Ultimate biplane, mid-sized arf.? - 12/2/2007 7:32:52 AM

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Jeff. Great looking work. It sounds at first like a great deal, but not many would take on such a project, and I'm sure it took many hours of work, and not just a couple bucks. But it is very rewarding isn't it.

I flew mine the first season with a Saito 120, the second season (this past year) with a Saito 150, and just tonight completed the install of a Saito 180 in her for next season. This plane is only limited by ones pilotage skills and the amount of power under the cowl. It will not be lacking power next year, that is for sure. BTW, I too had to rebuilt the one in the pictures after a radio failure that resulted in some serious damage.

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RE: Ultimate biplane, mid-sized arf.? - 12/2/2007 1:00:35 PM

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Does the Goldberg model come in an ARF? I always liked it but didn't feel like building it. I've been building for 30 years and after thieves backed a truck up to my ex's house where I was storing them and cleaned me out, I decided that I'm not building 30 more planes to restock my hangar. (No, the ex didn't do it, they robbed her badly too) So, since ARFs have advanced so far, I've decided to go with them. I'm making sure I research them first. I know the OLD Seagull Edge 540's were really bad, but generation 2 is beautiful stuff so I bought one, and I looked the Ultimate over at the hobby store before I bought it and it was just as nice.
Anyway, I've been the route of powering them up and up and up until they fly straight up from a standstill, I had Brison gassers in my other planes and you could do anything with them. My planes are sub-giants now and I drew the mental line at a Saito 100 for power. Granted, it might not do every sigle thing, but I predict I'm going to have a ball with them. Probably most important of all to me is the manageable size and the ability to store them hanging up tucked between ceiling joists! Any bigger and that just wouldn't work. Of course, having something left to retire with so I actually CAN fly then is an important issue for me too at this point, so keeping costs down always comes into it, which is tough to do when you're trying to restock a whole hangar. The smaller sizes make a difference there too.
Hunterandjeff, that's a really nice color theme, simple and eye-catching, is that stock or your design?
RAM-3500-RCU, if that's a photo taken after the crash, you can't even tell it was ever down. Nice work!
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RE: Ultimate biplane, mid-sized arf.? - 12/2/2007 1:09:59 PM

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I too have the Seagull Ultimate powered with a Saito 125. I am like busted If i had it to do over I would go gas on this plane. But so far I like the plane. Got 4 flights on her yesterday for a total of 5 flights. real touchy start out on low rates until you get use to her . I also am no 3d pilot I like scale tricks. I am using an 16-6 apc and geting about 8900 rpm out of her and she is still getting broke in. I would not hesitate to go this route again. my next bipe is gonna be a skybolt.

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