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RE: NOVAK will kill Nitro Engines !! - 12/5/2007 6:46:15 PM   
xxturbowesxx


 

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I buy 2 gallons($27 USD per), 2 sets of clutches & springs($40 USD), a glow plug or 2($5 to $10), 4 to 8 cb bearings($5 to $10) at a minimum per month to run nitro(not counting tires & broken parts). I buy nothing to run electric (not counting tires & broken parts). Which is cheaper?

man your an addict.. 2 gallons will last me like 3 months i just dont run that much.. but no one is saying anything about the upfront cost of 100+ per batt and people are going to show up with 6 cmon thats 600 bucks to get racing... and ill some it up as i started with electric racing 4wd mod buggy and ive moved on and prob will never go back not because nitro is faster or cheaper but because i just like it.. and nothing will ever kill nitro engines like the topic says..because some people just want the sound feel and smell of nitro..i guess ill just have to run 30% if it gets to popular.. and you still havent given me one example how nitro has more prep time.. ive given mine

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RE: NOVAK will kill Nitro Engines !! - 12/5/2007 11:03:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Times have changed and will continue to change. Motors, batteries and computers/electronics are advancing at a rapid pace. The internal combustion engine is the same as it has been for decades. I do not think that the hobby of racing/bashing nitro RC's is going anywhere. I used to be there and I see the attraction. What is changing is that nitro is no longer the dominant power source. The advantages of weight and runtime are gone. With those advantages gone, a lot of guys are re-thinking whether the noise, smell and tuning are worth their efforts.

xxturbowesxx - To race a 1/8 electric truggy against nitros, it takes two 4s 5000mah Lipo (@ $150.00 each) for a race day. Each battery provides 18min of runtime. One battery change provides plenty of juice for a 30 minute main. They take about an hour to fully charge, but it is not necessary to fully charge a LiPo. I usually leave LiPo #1 in the vehicle for all of the qualifiers and the first half of the main (if it's a long one). LiPo #2 sits fully charged all day and gets used for the 2nd half of the main. There really is no prep. Batteries charge while I'm doing other things or using the other battery.

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RE: NOVAK will kill Nitro Engines !! - 12/5/2007 11:39:23 PM   
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Please resist the urge to curse, flame, degrade, insult or embarrass someone in your post. We encourage the free flow of your ideas, but believe that they can be communicated (and received) much more effectively if you keep things civil. If you have to vent, take it offline. We carefully monitor posts and will ban individuals who engage in offensive conduct within the forums. Thanks.


Let's be nice! I don't want to have to continue to chop this thread, there is some good information here.

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RE: NOVAK will kill Nitro Engines !! - 12/6/2007 12:51:13 AM   
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RE: NOVAK will kill Nitro Engines !! - 12/6/2007 1:27:59 AM   
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i'd never give up any nitro engine for a quiet electric. i like the noises.

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RE: NOVAK will kill Nitro Engines !! - 12/6/2007 4:06:20 AM   
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No doubt electric brushless cars will gain popularity, but replacing nitro is about as likely to happen as electric passenger jets...


If I have a clean, quiet, environmentally friendly powerplant that is equivalent in size/weight/power to an existing powerplant, but costs twice as much, what happens? If half of the cost of my $60 million Boeing 737 is the powerplant, I'd have to pay $90 million to get the new powerplant.

But if half of the cost of my $300 RTR buggy is powerplant, I'm only out $150 more to go electric. Replacing nitro is much, much more likely to happen in the near term than electric passenger jets.

This whole discussion sounds a bit like horses vs cars. Sure, the horses outperformed the earliest cars. And sure, there were people who just liked horse-drawn carriages better. But horses had fundamental limits that cars eventually overcame. Same thing with carburetors vs fuel injection.

Don't resist it. Embrace the change.

No, I'm kidding. I like nitro better too.

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RE: NOVAK will kill Nitro Engines !! - 12/6/2007 11:48:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's interesting how the nitro/electric discussions have changed in just the last year. The debate used to be "which is faster/better," now the discussion is "what do I prefer." The fact that electric has become the dominant powerplant is a given.

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RE: NOVAK will kill Nitro Engines !! - 12/6/2007 12:51:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: happywing

It's interesting how the nitro/electric discussions have changed in just the last year. The debate used to be "which is faster/better," now the discussion is "what do I prefer." The fact that electric has become the dominant powerplant is a given.


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RE: NOVAK will kill Nitro Engines !! - 12/6/2007 3:02:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		dont get me wrong when i was running electric i hated the fact that nitro was the story in every magazine and electric wasnt popular at my track but i could whip up on the nitro guys with my 4wd electric buggy. novak had come out with the 5.5 4.5 3.5ti brushless while i was racing electric but at the time i just couldnt make the investment. the only real advantage was not haveing to change brushes and cut coms on standard motors.. but lipos werent in the mainstream.. now its opposite i guess i have to be the odd man out to feel happy... part of me is happy that electric has caught on so much but the thread says novak will kill nitro engines which i doubt will ever happen...

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RE: NOVAK will kill Nitro Engines !! - 12/6/2007 4:47:43 PM   
FlyinGN


 

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ORIGINAL: xxturbowesxx

dont get me wrong when i was running electric i hated the fact that nitro was the story in every magazine and electric wasnt popular at my track but i could whip up on the nitro guys with my 4wd electric buggy. novak had come out with the 5.5 4.5 3.5ti brushless while i was racing electric but at the time i just couldnt make the investment. the only real advantage was not haveing to change brushes and cut coms on standard motors.. but lipos werent in the mainstream.. now its opposite i guess i have to be the odd man out to feel happy... part of me is happy that electric has caught on so much but the thread says novak will kill nitro engines which i doubt will ever happen...


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RE: NOVAK will kill Nitro Engines !! - 12/6/2007 5:05:11 PM   
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They ALL cater to nitro..


That's because they ALL have bills to pay, and electric doesn't sell to new people like nitro...

This thread started to turn into a p1ssing match, and I lost interest. I came back and the mods had deleted a few posts, thankfully. Hopefully you guys will stick to stating your opinions, and not try to act as if they are facts.

I've been racing for about 5 years now, both on and off road, electric and nitro. I've seen the classes fluctuate the entire time, but, there's a few core classes that always race, and they aren't electric. Nitro has an appeal that speaks to gear heads, and those are the guys that race consistently. Electrics are more like the things you buy at Walmart, and nobody wants his racecar called a "Toy". Now I know there are some serious electric cars out there, I used to run a Pro-4. It started with 19T, then it became a mod class so we could run brushless. I enjoyed the no frills racing, and didn't care what the lamens thought. But the truth is, that race program lost steam. The nitro class always ran; there were days, when all I could do was test and tune, and pit for my team mates. I didn't mind that so much, and only because I had good friends to hang out with.

When people would show up to watch, they were thrilled with the sound of the nitro cars. Once the electric class started, many wandered off. Like I said, the appeal of the sound and smells of a nitro engine are far stronger to the general gear head than any electric. They may be able to out perform them, but that's not the whole picture.

Novak will NOT kill nitro. Someday, it may become cost prohibitive due to fuel prices, but not today, or any time soon.

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RE: NOVAK will kill Nitro Engines !! - 12/6/2007 7:02:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Both sides of this argument have valid points. I myself like nitro. I come from a fullscale racing background. I understand how the nitro engine works, and how to fix it if it doesn't work. I like the challenge of trying to figure out the clutch, and trying to get the engine tuned right. Electric vehicles can probably outrun my nitro now with brushless and lipo (I'm not exactly sure, because i only race nitro vehicles). But I like the challenge of making mine run at top notch all the time. Taking my buggy apart and fixing it is half the fun of racing the thing! But thats just my opinion, in a world of many LOL.

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RE: NOVAK will kill Nitro Engines !! - 12/6/2007 8:24:28 PM   
gokartingbob455



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Status: offline 		ummmmmm, correct me if i am wrong, but don't they have different class races like: all nitro or all electric. no matching. this is when the whole "nitro or electric is faster" issue doesnt matter. it doesn't matter which one is faster because you won't be racing nitro buggies with electric buggies. duh.
i also got into nitro because of what FoamyVictim said, i would have felt like a bought a tinker toy if i had bought an electric. the only thing i hate about nitro is that my engine won't go to full throttle with out it dying.

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RE: NOVAK will kill Nitro Engines !! - 12/6/2007 9:55:40 PM