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RE: NOVAK will kill Nitro Engines !! - 12/8/2007 9:44:13 PM

happywing

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And honestly it would take one hell of a strong brushless system to outperform some of my modded Nitro's...I seriously doupt this Novak system will even come close to be honest....

You're right. The Novak system is no match for a quality engine. On the other hand, my current setup with Neu motor puts out 2.13hp. This is instant horsepower if needed and I can channel that horsepower to any point in the powerband. This motor will definitely outperform any mill you can muster. I am not the type to boast unless I am very confident. In this case, I have no doubt and the pro and factory drivers who have tried my vehicles will attest to this.

Is this increased power an advantage on the track? Absolutely. It makes up for errors. I can square-up for jumps later and still make them. I can make jumps that I couldn't make before. I can rocket out of turns with no lag. On this past summers race circuit, I made made A-mains in EVERY race against nitros. Last year as a nitro driver, I was a regular in the B and C mains.

I've owned/driven/raced quality nitro and electric setups. You really have to try it before you form any opinions. Without driving a well set up electric buggy or truggy, you are basing your assessment on a guess. Driving an electric will not change your mind about what you like better, but it will change your mind about what is fastest around a track.

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RE: NOVAK will kill Nitro Engines !! - 12/8/2007 10:21:02 PM

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What caught my eye about Brushless was the 70MPH that my Rustler VXL does. Plus the sound it makes as it passes by. Dont wanna be reminded of yard work hence the noise that nitro's make lol. But then again i'm new to the sport and have only driven Brushless wanna test drive a Nitro one day, just to see whats up.

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RE: NOVAK will kill Nitro Engines !! - 12/8/2007 10:31:29 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: happywing

quote:

ORIGINAL: supertib
And honestly it would take one hell of a strong brushless system to outperform some of my modded Nitro's...I seriously doupt this Novak system will even come close to be honest....

You're right. The Novak system is no match for a quality engine. On the other hand, my current setup with Neu motor puts out 2.13hp. This is instant horsepower if needed and I can channel that horsepower to any point in the powerband. This motor will definitely outperform any mill you can muster. I am not the type to boast unless I am very confident. In this case, I have no doubt and the pro and factory drivers who have tried my vehicles will attest to this.

Is this increased power an advantage on the track? Absolutely. It makes up for errors. I can square-up for jumps later and still make them. I can make jumps that I couldn't make before. I can rocket out of turns with no lag. On this past summers race circuit, I made made A-mains in EVERY race against nitros. Last year as a nitro driver, I was a regular in the B and C mains.

I've owned/driven/raced quality nitro and electric setups. You really have to try it before you form any opinions. Without driving a well set up electric buggy or truggy, you are basing your assessment on a guess. Driving an electric will not change your mind about what you like better, but it will change your mind about what is fastest around a track.

I was being honest in my assessment of the Brushless sytems... the common systems arent going to outperform the best nitro's so much as to put nitro off the market... sorry it ain't going to happen that way......... Several guys at our track have brought out brushless setups and they have been nothing even comparable to the nitro's.. Now of course these guys don't have top notch brushless sytems, but rather generic conversions they have acquired along the way......................

With that being said i would fully expect a top notch brushless sytem to outperform the very best nitro's..... I love Nitro but i am not an idiot....

Anyways I run some of the wildest nitro's around as it is, and I am dying to give brushless a try........I fully agree i can't judge a top shelf brushless untill I try one.... So i'd say its time to build a top shelf brushless myself..

Anyways I currently have a Mugen MBX5T... decked out with all the goodies and a arsenal of modded engines..plus tons of spare parts............

I will gladly buy another MBX5T and do a full on hardcore race caliber brushless setup.... I am hoping someof you brushless guru's would be willing to offer me advice and guidance on this project...... I have full access to a full size vertical mill... my brother is a machinist...so making any engine mounts of brackets is no problem... I even have access to some high grade aircraft aluminum........ I am good buddies with Integra so I also have access to lots of aircraft grade carbon fiber...

I am ready to go on this project asap.... I want to be able to run my two MBX5T's back to back on the track and do an honest fair comparison...even with lap times with the transponder.......I think this will be a total blast....... in my world a guy can have the best of both worlds without discriminating one against the other........

So myabe i will start a new thread on this subject, and hopefully you guys can help me make an ultimate brushless MBX5T.... I may even offer to raffle the truck off after its completed !!!!!

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RE: NOVAK will kill Nitro Engines !! - 12/8/2007 10:38:21 PM

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Well I live in Central Canada, we have some extremely long and harsh winters...so i have 6 months of the year where i am locked indoors... So I tend to play in the shop alot...heres the shop ! I think we should be well equiped to build a kick ass brushless setup

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RE: NOVAK will kill Nitro Engines !! - 12/8/2007 11:04:12 PM

happywing

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Awesome!!!

Here's my E-MBX5T. It is "top-notch:"

I will tell you all about it later, if you like.

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RE: NOVAK will kill Nitro Engines !! - 12/9/2007 2:54:54 AM

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Does sanction racing even have a class for 1/8 off road electric? No I do not think you will every get electric to replace nitro.

On all of RCU you add all the electric post and then all the nitro post I am sure nitro will be at least 3 times what the electric is.

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RE: NOVAK will kill Nitro Engines !! - 12/9/2007 5:09:52 AM

happywing

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OK

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RE: NOVAK will kill Nitro Engines !! - 12/9/2007 6:32:23 AM

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Did you buy all tose trophies yourself, or did you knock them up in the shop"?

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RE: NOVAK will kill Nitro Engines !! - 12/9/2007 4:29:13 PM

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Whatever electric guys/gals say; no replacement for displacement.

Call me old school or whatever, but I will never replace the sound and realism of nitro engines. Speed is NOT everything (at least for me) or else I would have just installed an ESTES D level cartrigde on the buggy (LOL).

Whatever flows your boat, its just a joke how you make it sound, woooo brushless! For me is over-rated over-priced.

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RE: NOVAK will kill Nitro Engines !! - 12/9/2007 4:57:02 PM

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Did you buy all tose trophies yourself, or did you knock them up in the shop"?

Troll, go back under your bridge until you have something significant to contribute...

One of you Machine Shop Owners needs to build a setup that retains the adjustable brake bias.

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RE: NOVAK will kill Nitro Engines !! - 12/9/2007 5:08:18 PM

happywing

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Look, nitro lovers, there's no need to be defensive. Nitro's aren't going anywhere. I'm big into the electric and have posted many times in this thread. There's not one place where I agree with the title. Novak's not going to kill nitro and neither is any other electric system.

I think the defensiveness comes from the nitro guys being uncomfortable that they are no longer the fastest around the track. No big deal. There are many classes of nitro and electric racing. Not all can be the fastest.

There has been some good info in this thread and it's been, for the most part, a civil discussion. Has it been an open-minded discussion? In many cases no. I see too many comments based on old technology. Too many comments from guys who have never tried a top-notch electric 1/8 scale. I can honestly say that every nitro racer who have tried a well set up 1/8 buggy or truggy have been shocked by the awesome power of modern electrics. psiturbo, have you tried one?

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RE: NOVAK will kill Nitro Engines !! - 12/9/2007 5:34:58 PM

Da Smak

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quote:

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Did you buy all tose trophies yourself, or did you knock them up in the shop"?

Troll, go back under your bridge until you have something significant to contribute...

One of you Machine Shop Owners needs to build a setup that retains the adjustable brake bias.

I was hoping that Tib would give us insight as to what the trophies were given for. But if you are to dumb to understand sarcasm then I guess it's you that needs to get out from under the bridge and smell the coffee.

Happywing.

Is it no wonder that when a noob comes onto the forum and states something as rediculous as the thread title that the nitro guys get up and sound off? I think not. This is a fair discusion with a lot of very factful points being put forward by a lot of experienced people. Novak will not kill nitro, but eventually nitro will have to give way to some sort of technology and the way that way burn up the worlds fuel stocks and if the fascist green (fun) police have their way it will be a lot sooner than any of us wish.

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RE: NOVAK will kill Nitro Engines !! - 12/9/2007 5:54:21 PM

SD2006

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ORIGINAL: 46u

Does sanction racing even have a class for 1/8 off road electric? No I do not think you will every get electric to replace nitro. On all of RCU you add all the electric post and then all the nitro post I am sure nitro will be at least 3 times what the electric is.

3 times? Just a casual glance at the forum listings shows that RC Electric Off-Road Trucks, Buggies, Truggies and more has the same number of posts as RC Nitro Stadium Trucks, RC 1/8th Scale Buggies and RC Car Engines combined. RC Monster Trucks is the largest forum with a mix of nitro and electric posts.

Batteries and electronics will continue to improve, more and more people will see the light and run brushless. Look how far brushless has come in the last few years. I doubt nitro will completely disappear in the next 15-20 years, but it will definitely feel the impact of the brushless phenomenon.

Of all the RC car/truck racing that's done in the world, what percentage of that is sanctioned? Regardless, don't be surprised if sanctioned racing has an 1/8th scale off-road electric class in the near future. Spectators of these events will have 1/8th scale off-road electrics and will want to see "their" cars being raced. Manufacturers of brushless systems will be eager to promote this class.

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