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RE: Try to guess, new Parkflyer program cost - 12/5/2007 7:26:30 AM   
KidEpoxy



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1) Hey, hows it goin.

2) In regard to your point about the $1/2mil secondary insurance and flying at chartered clubs, Im not quite following your There Goes phrasing. I am assuming you are observing that PF Tier Flyers with just $500k secondary insurance would not be allowed to fly at the existing standard chartered clubs with the standard (Full$) pilot insurance requirements. Or are you saying the AMA PF Guys can fly AMA defined PFs at currently existing standard clubs.... could you please post another sentence or two to clarify that in no uncertain terms.

Is PF Tier insurance ($500k) good enough to fly PFs at existing standard clubs?
for this minute point of discussion lets forgoe the local clubs ability to further restrict them and just deal with the Muncie level stuff.



Oh, yeah, hardly any glow & gas flyers would give up their planes to save $30.
But there are plenty of AMA members that fly just electrics, and the 2lb cutoff is very inclusive for them. We havent talked much about the speed limit cap for them though.... how easy will that be to administer in the field to determin what 1.9lb planes will/wont break 60mph

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RE: Try to guess, new Parkflyer program cost - 12/5/2007 2:25:55 PM   
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Gunfighter-
1) Hey, hows it goin.

2) In regard to your point about the $1/2mil secondary insurance and flying at chartered clubs, Im not quite following your There Goes phrasing. I am assuming you are observing that PF Tier Flyers with just $500k secondary insurance would not be allowed to fly at the existing standard chartered clubs with the standard (Full$) pilot insurance requirements. Or are you saying the AMA PF Guys can fly AMA defined PFs at currently existing standard clubs.... could you please post another sentence or two to clarify that in no uncertain terms.

Is PF Tier insurance ($500k) good enough to fly PFs at existing standard clubs?
for this minute point of discussion lets forgoe the local clubs ability to further restrict them and just deal with the Muncie level stuff.



Oh, yeah, hardly any glow & gas flyers would give up their planes to save $30.
But there are plenty of AMA members that fly just electrics, and the 2lb cutoff is very inclusive for them. We havent talked much about the speed limit cap for them though.... how easy will that be to administer in the field to determin what 1.9lb planes will/wont break 60mph

Why do you keep going back and forth with RCU forum members to find out questions which are only a guess. I've emailed DM three times this week and have received 4 emails back. Why don't you just take the time to see if you can acquire the information you are looking from a direct source? But in regards to these to common sense questions, I'll be more then happy to answer.

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Oh, yeah, hardly any glow & gas flyers would give up their planes to save $30.
Great, that's just what the AMA was hoping for, keep everything the EXACT SAME with the current AMA program and ADD a new product for parkflyers. WOW, so far it's working with your assesment, perfect. 1 for 1 so far.

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But there are plenty of AMA members that fly just electrics, and the 2lb cutoff is very inclusive for them. We havent talked much about the speed limit cap for them though.... how easy will that be to administer in the field to determine what 1.9lb planes will/wont break 60mph
You don't have to make the determination until there is an accident. You tell me that when your at your field you fly 10 by 10 against the AMA safety code? You don't break A SINGLE RULE along the way? I'm sure you can squeeze, 65 -70 heck maybe even 90. But if the AMA determines that your accident was caused by something going over 60 MPH, then you just don't get your benefits, that simple. And think about it Kid, a Parkflyer going faster then 60 MPH, that thing will be MOVING.

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RE: Try to guess, new Parkflyer program cost - 12/5/2007 2:34:32 PM   
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RE: Try to guess, new Parkflyer program cost - 12/5/2007 2:52:15 PM   
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BTW - A "Park Flyer" is defined as an aircraft of 2 pounds or less, capable of speeds LESS THAN 60 MPH, flown at altitudes of 200 ft. or less and with Quiet propulsion - i.e. electric or rubber powered.



The power source should have nothing to do with period. Of course, I think the whole program is STUPID.

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RE: Try to guess, new Parkflyer program cost - 12/5/2007 3:46:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey RCKen is RCU going to open up a new forum for us AMA Park Pilots so we can talk about everything that's positive in the world of aeromodeling?

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RE: Try to guess, new Parkflyer program cost - 12/5/2007 3:54:47 PM   
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Hey RCKen is RCU going to open up a new forum for us AMA Park Pilots so we can talk about everything that's positive in the world of aeromodeling?


STLPilot,
Right now I don't think that it's something that needs to be done. There are many different disciplines within the AMA (i.e. Gliders, Helicopters, Free Flight, etc....) and they are all discussed under the AMA forum that we currently have. I think that Park Flyers can discuss issues here in this forum in the same manner as everybody else. Regarless of the fact that they may pay less they are still members of the AMA.

Ken

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RE: Try to guess, new Parkflyer program cost - 12/5/2007 4:17:52 PM   
STLPilot


 

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Status: offline 		Ok then good stuff. However I forsee a future in where you'll more then likely have to seperate the group. Otherwise you're job duties will double overnite.

But I guess it really doens't matter not, the Park Pilot Program is here and it's only $29.99! What a bargain!

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RE: Try to guess, new Parkflyer program cost - 12/5/2007 5:36:54 PM   
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If the PF safety code looks like the other AMA code, any aircraft without one's name and AMA # on it will not be eligible for a claim.


There has never been a claim denied by the AMA for not having one's name and AMA # on the model. Where do you come up with these? in fact, most claims are not even model related.

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RE: Try to guess, new Parkflyer program cost - 12/5/2007 5:48:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Exactly, it's pretty simple why the AMA could deny benefits without the airplane being tagged, but they certainly won't deny benefits if the name and number on the airplane if the person whom commited the action admitted to causing the damage, even if the AMA benefits helped to protect against loss of the person who commited the act.

If you cause damage and nobody is around, you can just simply leave the scene if that's what you want to do. But if someone is around and sees what you've done, then you have a witness regardless. The name and AMA number on the aircraft is just the last determing factor if the AMA needs to go down that path, but like I said, won't deny benefits just because the number is not written on your aircraft.

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RE: Try to guess, new Parkflyer program cost - 12/5/2007 6:28:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: STLPilot

Hey RCKen is RCU going to open up a new forum for us AMA Park Pilots so we can talk about everything that's positive in the world of aeromodeling?


STLPilot,
Right now I don't think that it's something that needs to be done. There are many different disciplines within the AMA (i.e. Gliders, Helicopters, Free Flight, etc....) and they are all discussed under the AMA forum that we currently have. I think that Park Flyers can discuss issues here in this forum in the same manner as everybody else. Regarless of the fact that they may pay less they are still members of the AMA.

Ken



Ummmm...there has been a "parkflyers" forum in the electrics section for a looooonnng time... http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/forumid_148/tt.htm


Also, I see trying to correct this AMA fubar as positive...

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RE: Try to guess, new Parkflyer program cost - 12/5/2007 6:37:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was thinking something more in the lines of the Park Pilot program. You know policies, improvements and people actually trying to help one another out with acquiring fields and helping to improve the program. You know something along the lines of how this forum should work, but fails miserably.

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RE: Try to guess, new Parkflyer program cost - 12/5/2007 7:04:00 PM   
KidEpoxy



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yup, that looks like a Parkie forum to me.
Seems they talk about parkie stuff, without a lot of AMA forum mud slinging...
Why lookie there, they even have a Parkie Forum Thread about getting folks to jon the AMA.

Lets all stop by that thread in the Park Flyer forum & lurk a bit.
Look at the non-insulting way they chat.
Why, in 2 pages of AMA thread over there, not once was Texas or the NRA mentioned.

Seems the Parkies already have a place to talk AMA without getting the grief this forum usually dishes out. They play nice over there. So maybe they could use a ParkFlyer SubForum for AMA Parkies, where the parkies can say nice things & help each other... rather than get a subforum here for a slice of the hate we bash eachother with.

They already talk AMA in the ParkFlyer forum, if the parkie forum mods feel it gets excessive, they can sub it or direct them here.... IMO, we should direct the more PF intense posts we get here to over there where there is less griefing

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RE: Try to guess, new Parkflyer program cost - 12/5/2007 7:04:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JUGFLIER

If the PF safety code looks like the other AMA code, any aircraft without one's name and AMA # on it will not be eligible for a claim.


There has never been a claim denied by the AMA for not having one's name and AMA # on the model. Where do you come up with these? in fact, most claims are not even model related.



Red,
Part of the AMA safety code is that you are supposed to have your name and AMA # in or on the aircraft. When you sign up for AMA benefits, those benefits are conditional upon one following the AMA safety code. It's real simple. You could let a non-AMA member fly at your field and his plane hit someone or something. next an AMA member claim it's his plane to get benefits. That's why they want the name and # inside the planes.

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RE: Try to guess, new Parkflyer program cost - 12/5/2007 11:57:27 PM   
The Toolman


 

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Status: offline 		Maybe stl can go over there to the pf forum an stir the pot. That'll get rid of him here maybe.

They'll probably even let him edit all his posts over there also.


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RE: Try to guess, new Parkflyer program cost - 12/6/2007 6:58:18 AM   
KidEpoxy