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Hi guys, I'm new to RC Heli's, specifically the 22E - 12/1/2007 11:11:49 PM   
ThaJeffSki


 

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No, I'm not some newbie who just jumps into things.

Basically I've wanted an RC Copter for a longgg time, however, I'm a computer teacher at a smallllll private school so I really do not make much $$ at all (I don't have the dollars to invest in a blade cp at my local hobby shop, he wanted like 210!?)

So I just picked up a 22E on ebay with 2 sets of extra main blades, an extra tail blade, the training package and some batteries (for 119.00 us shipped) [ http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=280173151456&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=018 ]

I then bought this for 24.99 shipped



Things I know:

  • The manual sucks.
  • The tail motor will fail sooner rather than later unless i get a heatsink.
  • Carbon Fiber blades are good.
  • Brushless if for when I'm not a newbie.
  • I cannot just take it out turn it on and fly it.


    Thing I want to know and I'm hoping you might help me out with:

  • I have not found a video of it flying inverted, does one exist? (I'm about 10 pages in on that huge thread about it)
  • What are the major things I need to "customize" on xmas morning before I fly it?
  • Are heat sinks worth it, or should I just let the motors melt and then go brushless?
  • Is 650 MAH battery ok or does that suck ass?
  • It says 6CH transmitter and 4 in one receiver - does that mean it's really just a 4 ch helicopter but the transmitter can do more?
  • Where do i buy the parts to make it go inverted?

    I think that's all for now.....thank you for any and all help and thoughts.

    I am very new here, but I learn fast. Thanks!
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    RE: Hi guys, I'm new to RC Heli's, specifically the 22E - 12/2/2007 12:30:37 AM   
    ThaJeffSki


     

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    Ps. I just picked up two of these.

    Was it a good choice?

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=180027709794&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=008

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    RE: Hi guys, I'm new to RC Heli's, specifically the 22E - 12/9/2007 9:46:29 PM   
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    Ok, here we go... You say you learn fast, right? Well, helis basically force you to learn fastit's not a requirement, it's a virtue. The batt included with the heli does suck ass, as you put it. Do you have a Li-po charger for the 2 li-pos you ordered? If not, get one.

    The heat sinks are certainly worth it, as you can't just drop in a BL motor; you have to get a whole new radio system and brushless ESC. There is a BL conversion chip you can buy, though, for like $30. I'll find a link for you. Then you don't need the new radio.

    Don't put on the aluninum parts as soon as you get it. Learn on the stock plastic ones and replace them with alumnium as they break. Slather the aluminum parts in bicycle grease and they'll be much smoother. Does your hobby shop sell the Venom Night Ranger 3D? That is exactly the same as the 22E.

    I haveto leave now, i have homework to do

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    RE: Hi guys, I'm new to RC Heli's, specifically the 22E - 12/9/2007 9:58:28 PM   
    ThaJeffSki


     

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    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Teenage Pilot 13

    Ok, here we go... You say you learn fast, right? Well, helis basically force you to learn fastit's not a requirement, it's a virtue. The batt included with the heli does suck ass, as you put it. Do you have a Li-po charger for the 2 li-pos you ordered? If not, get one.

    The heat sinks are certainly worth it, as you can't just drop in a BL motor; you have to get a whole new radio system and brushless ESC. There is a BL conversion chip you can buy, though, for like $30. I'll find a link for you. Then you don't need the new radio.

    Don't put on the aluninum parts as soon as you get it. Learn on the stock plastic ones and replace them with alumnium as they break. Slather the aluminum parts in bicycle grease and they'll be much smoother. Does your hobby shop sell the Venom Night Ranger 3D? That is exactly the same as the 22E.

    I haveto leave now, i have homework to do


    Thanks for the response! I'm interested to hear about this chip, that would be nice.

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    RE: Hi guys, I'm new to RC Heli's, specifically the 22E - 12/10/2007 2:02:09 AM   
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    I am as well.. I just got the heli the other day.. I ordered a bunch of spare blades and some extra lipo's... I want to convert the heli to brushless once I get used to it... replacing everything is much more of a pain than just a chip... It would be greatly appreciated if you can find a link.... thanks...

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    RE: Hi guys, I'm new to RC Heli's, specifically the 22E - 12/10/2007 9:56:01 PM   
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    quote:

    ORIGINAL: ThaJeffSki

    No, I'm not some newbie who just jumps into things.

    Basically I've wanted an RC Copter for a longgg time, however, I'm a computer teacher at a smallllll private school so I really do not make much $$ at all (I don't have the dollars to invest in a blade cp at my local hobby shop, he wanted like 210!?)

    So I just picked up a 22E on ebay with 2 sets of extra main blades, an extra tail blade, the training package and some batteries (for 119.00 us shipped) [ http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=280173151456&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=018 ]

    I then bought this for 24.99 shipped



    Things I know:

  • The manual sucks.
  • The tail motor will fail sooner rather than later unless i get a heatsink.
  • Carbon Fiber blades are good.
  • Brushless if for when I'm not a newbie.
  • I cannot just take it out turn it on and fly it.


    Thing I want to know and I'm hoping you might help me out with:

  • I have not found a video of it flying inverted, does one exist? (I'm about 10 pages in on that huge thread about it)
  • What are the major things I need to "customize" on xmas morning before I fly it?
  • Are heat sinks worth it, or should I just let the motors melt and then go brushless?
  • Is 650 MAH battery ok or does that suck ass?
  • It says 6CH transmitter and 4 in one receiver - does that mean it's really just a 4 ch helicopter but the transmitter can do more?
  • Where do i buy the parts to make it go inverted?

    I think that's all for now.....thank you for any and all help and thoughts.

    I am very new here, but I learn fast. Thanks!




  • Hello there and welcome to the hobby!

    Before you attempt to fly it you should know a few things. The 22E is a collective pitch helicopter, meaning the blade angle changes to create greater or lesser lift, or to do 3d flying. This is NOT a beginner helicopter, it is for the experienced pilot. You really need to buy a simulator and use it for at LEAST a few weeks until you learn orientation really well. Or (and this i think is the best way) you could buy a coaxial heli to learn your orientation with before trying your 22E. Anybody can fly a coaxial because they are super stable in the air. Look at the walkera 5G4's on ebay.

    No doubt the ad on ebay and the graphics on the box will lead you to believe it is ready to fly right out of the box. This is very much untrue. You must learn how to set it up properly; balance al-la center of gravity, balance the blades, set the pitch correctly, blade tracking, reposition the servo horns so the controls have a little trim adjustment needed as possible. If you don't do this, it will be VERY unstable to fly and you just can't learn that way.

    The 22E out of the box is way underpowered to do 3d flying. Stock, it has just enough power to hover properly and do very limited forward flight. You wont find videos of people doing 3d with one of these because its just not a good helicopter for acrobatics. The other poster was right in telling you not to put your upgrades on yet. You are going to crash learning how to fly, EVERYONE crashes. If you have an aluminum head it will bend after multiple hits and that will completely ruin it. Use the stock parts when learning, buy plenty of spares. Really, what you should get in spares are full head replacements, at least one tail motor (they burn out pretty quickly), skids, a few tail booms, and a lot more PE blades. You'll be better off using PE blades at first instead of the carbon fiber because you want the cheap blades to take the hit instead of your expensive head. But overal you should expect to replace the entire helicopter in parts at least once before you are a decent enough pilot.

    If you are serious about learning to fly, then keep in mind that you must be patient with yourself and the helicopter. Don't get discouraged, anyone can fly with enough practice (and money! ). And yeah it's VERY exciting to fly! It's worth all the work!

    Here are some links for you to look over;

    Blade balancing: http://www.trextuning.com/bladebalancing.php
    Blade tracking: http://www.littlerotors.com/setup/tracking.aspx
    Finding CG: http://www.rc-airplane-world.com/walkera-dragonfly-4-rc-helicopter.html#CG
    Free flight simulator (use ONLY for orientation!!): http://n-old.ethz.ch/student/mmoeller/fms/index_e.html

    Good luck!

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    RE: Hi guys, I'm new to RC Heli's, specifically the 22E - 12/10/2007 11:21:16 PM   
    ThaJeffSki


     

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    Hey there, thanks for the post.

    I've actually flown lots of heli simulators trying to learn how to fly in Desert Combat (a video game, it was HARD to fly one at first) with a full joystick (left hand had a throttle, right hand did front back right left, and I had pedals for rotating left and right. So I'm hoping that will have helped

    Thanks for the post! Those links were great!

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    RE: Hi guys, I'm new to RC Heli's, specifically the 22E - 12/11/2007 12:07:32 AM   
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    quote:

    ORIGINAL: ThaJeffSki

    Hey there, thanks for the post.

    I've actually flown lots of heli simulators trying to learn how to fly in Desert Combat (a video game, it was HARD to fly one at first) with a full joystick (left hand had a throttle, right hand did front back right left, and I had pedals for rotating left and right. So I'm hoping that will have helped

    Thanks for the post! Those links were great!


    Hopefully it'll help, just be really patient and take it very very slow. I learned on a sim (tried to anyway) then on a coax (which was what helped the most) I flew my 4 for 8 months then 22E for for 7 months before attempting the 36...and each one is very different, very different flight characteristics. At this point i'm up to flying my 36 brushless/alum and doing fairly well with it. I haven't crashed it as of yet! I know once I do i'm going to upgrade the chassis to carbon fiber since the general consensus is the 36 frame gets destroyed in a crash. Either way, it's a lot of fun!

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    RE: Hi guys, I'm new to RC Heli's, specifically the 22E - 12/11/2007 3:47:31 AM   
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    About the coax helping the most, well, you can fly on the sim for as long as you want, but the only thing that will give you a real sense of flight is actually flying a perfectly balanced, perfectly setup heli. Of course, that's an impossible dream, because as soon as you get it all set up perfectly, the very laws of physics will bend and the heli will disappear into anti-space

    Edit: for the BL conversion chip, go to the Walkera 4 fixed pitch heli forum. There was a link somewhere around page 280 or so. I'm having a hard time finding it....

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    RE: Hi guys, I'm new to RC Heli's, specifically the 22E - 12/12/2007 2:32:35 AM   
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    So i got the box today! and even though it says it comes with the regular battery I guess this guy put something else in there for me!

    This is a lipo battery right? I see it's only 800 mah, but this charger will still work with my 1200's correct?!

    I'm so stoked about this small bonus!


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    RE: Hi guys, I'm new to RC Heli's, specifically the 22E - 12/12/2007 4:40:20 AM   
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    Yep, it's a Lipo and yep, it'll charge either battery (assuming the balance plugs have the correct pinout).

    -JT

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    RE: Hi guys, I'm new to RC Heli's, specifically the 22E - 12/12/2007 4:50:20 AM   
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    Yeah, that'll charge your 1200 mah's just fine. That batt may be a bit on the lightweight side, though, considering the fact that the stock one will weigh about twice as much as that one. I have a 910mah 3S li-po that weighs around half of a 22E stock batt, so 800 will only be lighter. This concerns me as the CG will be way off whack, just like what happened on my Axe CP when I first flew with my 910mah pack. It almost "took off" both my knees on takeoff.... It's designed to be balanced with the stock batt. Just make sure you take care of the CG difference BEFORE you fly. Also, make sure the little switch on top of the radio is set to normal mode, because if you turn it on in Idle-up, it may chew off your ear or something while you plug in the batt.... Or maybe Walkera puts in a safe start system in the ESC now.

    P.S. An easy way to tell if it's a li-po or not is 1) lipos are (almost) always quadrilateral 2) Most lipos have a big balancing connector on them, something that batts made with nickel-cadmium/hydride, lead-acid, carbon-zinc, or any alkali don't usually need.

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    RE: Hi guys, I'm new to RC Heli's, specifically the 22E - 12/13/2007 2:27:02 PM   
    ThaJeffSki


     

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    Well, I took it out today just had to , couldn't resist.

    Here's my first attempt

    http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=6o5zall&s=1

    On my next attempt, I ended up crashing and I broke a little small piece....well, more like it's gone somewhere in the grass



    Luckily I have that metal head thing coming today in the mail, so I guess I'm good, going to put on the metal head, and put it back in the box till xmas!

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