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RE: My Hurricane 550's first Hover - 10/16/2009 1:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		ea01bg, sorry to here about the crash with your Hurri. It was this thread, and a suggestion from you and Druss that caused me to buy a Hurri 550 last winter. I have been real happy with mine so far. I still enjoy flying my smaller BH450SE and kinda use it to learn new things before trying them with the Hurri.
Due to my budget, it is likely that I will never go any bigger, but someday I would like to get another Hurri 550 and put a scale fuselage on it.
My thanks for starting what was a very interesting thread, even after nearly 2 years. Best of luck to you.

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RE: My Hurricane 550's first Hover - 10/18/2009 5:13 PM   
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RE: My Hurricane 550's first Hover - 10/18/2009 5:16 PM   
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RE: My Hurricane 550's first Hover - 10/19/2009 11:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hey guys, ive been on the Helifreak (handle = Mikame) forums for a few months now, i just ordered a 550 today, got a stupi awesome deal i couldn't resist and its beeing shipped to me from japan as we speak (or as i write this) ,

ive been fooling round with a HB King3 for a while now until i realised its not too much more to run the Hurri.

Im so excited i am writing up a planner on my wall for all the parts im going to order when i can afford it.
Hopefully will have it running by christmas. im on a tight budget which kinda sucks but hey, im still flying after work so im still smiling.

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RE: My Hurricane 550's first Hover - 10/19/2009 4:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am now the proud owner of a Gaui 550 - I maidened it only this weekend and I am very happy to have found this thread - didn't know it was here beofre although I have seen some of the YouTube vids!!

Here's mine:

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I agree with the comments on the canopy grommets - absolute crap - so yeah FG canopy for me very soon!! Just getting used to the thing after 6 months with a Blade 400 but loving the stability. I am into the flipping, barrel rolls and loops with the Blade so no reason not to be able to do it with the 550 when I get the "feel" for it. I also upgraded to the DX7 and that is real nice!

I guess I have a few questions in time and I'm hoping this thread keeps active.

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RE: My Hurricane 550's first Hover - 10/19/2009 10:03 PM   
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I couldnt find the photo you where refering to. On my Hurricane 550 I used the trex 600 gear. It sat lower and wider than the stock gear.

jerrymac ,

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RE: My Hurricane 550's first Hover - 10/20/2009 11:09 AM   
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RE: My Hurricane 550's first Hover - 10/20/2009 11:26 AM   
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Hey guys, ive been on the Helifreak (handle = Mikame) forums for a few months now, i just ordered a 550 today, got a stupi awesome deal i couldn't resist and its beeing shipped to me from japan as we speak (or as i write this) ,

ive been fooling round with a HB King3 for a while now until i realised its not too much more to run the Hurri.

Im so excited i am writing up a planner on my wall for all the parts im going to order when i can afford it.
Hopefully will have it running by christmas. im on a tight budget which kinda sucks but hey, im still flying after work so im still smiling.

Kelownan ~ You wont regret it!! I am up to a whopping 9 flights logged on the 550 now!!

I am running Zippy 2650mAh 3S1p 20C's. they get me about 5:30 to 6 mins. Might get some bigger 3000mA batts next.

What do others run? Please let me know.

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RE: My Hurricane 550's first Hover - 10/21/2009 10:01 AM   
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RE: My Hurricane 550's first Hover - 10/22/2009 12:00 AM   
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RE: My Hurricane 550's first Hover - 10/22/2009 3:51 AM   
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RE: My Hurricane 550's first Hover - 10/22/2009 4:29 AM   
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http://www.aircraft-world.com/shopexd.asp?id=5425

dropdown list will give you a combo deal with the special Hyperion 3520-14 motor and Titan80A esc that supposidly runs sweet on 4cell Lipos.

Jerry, does the longboom and 550 blades make it more stable? and is there a motor upgrade needed or can you go stock.

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RE: My Hurricane 550's first Hover - 10/22/2009 5:06 AM   
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RE: My Hurricane 550's first Hover - 10/22/2009 8:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		I was thinking about getting a hurricane 550 but I also want a trex 500 because of parts availability at the LHS. The Trex 500 is also more money and I don't know if it will fly with 2 3S lipos which I already have a bunch of for the trex 450. If anyone has both what are the the pros and cons? Should I just wait and get the trex next year?

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RE: My Hurricane 550's first Hover - 10/22/2009 10:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have both a Gaui and a T-Rex 500.  They're different helicopters, that's a given... but...

The Gaui is longer by about 8-10 inches.  The disc size is larger by 240mm.   It's about the same all up weight as a T-Rex 500.  All those things said here's the performance:

The T-Rex 500 is almost as stable as the Gaui, however its cyclic response is out of this world compared to a stock flybared and geared Gaui.  The TRex 500 has more pitch throw than a stock Gaui 550.  The T-Rex 500 is capable of SUPER aggressive flying with no modifications out of the box.   If you get the Gaui with the plastic frame, you'll need to upgrade to the CF frame or get Head Hunter frames if you want to do agressive 3d.  In my case, the stock plastic frames are all right for now.  I do have HH frames on order, though... for down the road.  

Flying.  The Gaui is so stable it's damn near stupid.   I'm serious.  The thing when setup right just wants to fly and that's the opposite of most other helicopters.    The T-Rex is stable, too but because of the super fast cyclic response you're probably going to want a little expo on the three axis.  I flew mine with no expo for the longest time but recently switched to 15 percent expo and the difference is night and day; it's now easier to fly and is less prone to being twitchy.   You can use 3s batteries in series provided they're rated the same.

Here's the biggie... Parts.  Align parts are everywhere.  Gaui parts you generally have to order. The metal Gaui parts are a little more expensive than Align parts. 

Modifications.  The T-Rex 500 esp needs no modifications.   The Gaui can benefit with some mods, but they're not required at all:

1.  Longer flybar/lighter paddles, or more head speed for faster cyclic response.   The T-Rex 600 flybar is the popular replacement.  I could have done (and still can) do either, but I went for higher head speed thorugh gearing.

2.  Skids.  While the stock skids are fine, the most popular skid replacement are those for the T-Rex 600.  Based on Jerrymac's suggestion, I got the TRex 600 3D skids.  They're not a direct replacement but if you can drill you can fix that easily.

3.  Optional mod for more battery life:  Motor.  Most people don't run the stock Gaui motor.  They run either the Tonic-X  Z30A 1100 kv or Z20A 980 kv motor.    I say battery life because the stock Gaui motors are power hungry.  I have Turnigy 2650 30C batteries that get puffed in a 4 minute, non-3d flight.  

4.  Metal parts.  If you want to run higher head speeds, you're going to need to upgrade to a metal gripped head.   Additionally, assembly is easier if you upgrade to the CNC control arms.  Stock arms require you to make offset holes for the ball links on the cyclic servo arms (disc).  The CNC upgrades don't require this.  

So there you go.  I'm not going to tell you what to get, that's your choice.  Now, though you have some facts that can help you make your choice.

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RE: My Hurricane 550's first Hover - 10/22/2009 10:47 AM   
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Jerry, does the longboom and 550 blades make it more stable? and is there a motor upgrade needed or can you go stock.

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With the long boom and 550mm blades the Hurri is extremely stable and easy to fly. It pretty much flys right where you want it to go without wandering all over the place. I am using the Stock Gaui 850kv motor with 15/42/20/61 gearing and it has more than enough power for my flying skills. I am also running 2x3s 3300mah lipos in series for a 6s setup. Don't know how that 4s set-up would work as I don't know anybody flying it, but that don't mean it won't as obviously somebody has tried it.

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RE: My Hurricane 550's first Hover - 10/22/2009 12:23 PM   
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I have both a Gaui and a T-Rex 500.  They're different helicopters, that's a given... but...

The Gaui is longer by about 8-10 inches.  The disc size is larger by 240mm.   It's about the same all up weight as a T-Rex 500.  All those things said here's the performance:

The T-Rex 500 is almost as stable as the Gaui, however its cyclic response is out of this world compared to a stock flybared and geared Gaui.  The TRex 500 has more pitch throw than a stock Gaui 550.  The T-Rex 500 is capable of SUPER aggressive flying with no modifications out of the box.   If you get the Gaui with the plastic frame, you'll need to upgrade to the CF frame or get Head Hunter frames if you want to do agressive 3d.  In my case, the stock plastic frames are all right for now.  I do have HH frames on order, though... for down the road.  

Flying.  The Gaui is so stable it's damn near stupid.   I'm serious.  The thing when setup right just wants to fly and that's the opposite of most other helicopters.    The T-Rex is stable, too but because of the super fast cyclic response you're probably going to want a little expo on the three axis.  I flew mine with no expo for the longest time but recently switched to 15 percent expo and the difference is night and day; it's now easier to fly and is less prone to being twitchy.   You can use 3s batteries in series provided they're rated the same.

Here's the biggie... Parts.  Align parts are everywhere.  Gaui parts you generally have to order. The metal Gaui parts are a little more expensive than Align parts. 

Modifications.  The T-Rex 500 esp needs no modifications.   The Gaui can benefit with some mods, but they're not required at all:

1.  Longer flybar/lighter paddles, or more head speed for faster cyclic response.   The T-Rex 600 flybar is the popular replacement.  I could have done (and still can) do either, but I went for higher head speed thorugh gearing.

2.  Skids.  While the stock skids are fine, the most popular skid replacement are those for the T-Rex 600.  Based on Jerrymac's suggestion, I got the TRex 600 3D skids.  They're not a direct replacement but if you can drill you can fix that easily.

3.  Optional mod for more battery life:  Motor.  Most people don't run the stock Gaui motor.  They run either the Tonic-X  Z30A 1100 kv or Z20A 980 kv motor.    I say battery life because the stock Gaui motors are power hungry.  I have Turnigy 2650 30C batteries that get puffed in a 4 minute, non-3d flight.  

4.  Metal parts.  If you want to run higher head speeds, you're going to need to upgrade to a metal gripped head.   Additionally, assembly is easier if you upgrade to the CNC control arms.  Stock arms require you to make offset holes for the ball links on the cyclic servo arms (disc).  The CNC upgrades don't require this.  

So there you go.  I'm not going to tell you what to get, that's your choice.  Now, though you have some facts that can help you make your choice.

Scott






Some top information there Scott - I'm sure Lucas will be pleased with that response. It's definately food for thought for me.

As a point of interest I am using 2 x Zippy 2650mAh batteries and I have been flying 5:30 with them but I am starting to chart mA back in and it's going over the 80% mark (2120mA). I am going to wind that back to 5:15 to start with but it does require some good collective management. I did up the idle up 1 throttle curve but I've wound that back again.

I looked at the 3300's but at the time I was not sure even if they fitted - now I know they do I will explore!

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RE: My Hurricane 550's first Hover - 10/22/2009 12:53 PM   
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Thanks!  I have Hyperion 3300 VX 35C's as well... I'm still breaking those in, though so I can't really comment on flight times.   On your batteries, I'm sure you know this, but I figured I'd be on the safe side...

Fly for exactly three minutes; timer runs from the instant before you start to spool up, to just after you land and either go to zero throttle or hit throttle hold .  Charge your battery.  Note the put back.   Divide the put back by 3, this gives you maH draw per minute on an average.  Next divide 2120 (your maximum drain) by your draw per minute.  That will give you your maximum flight time.  For example:

2650 X .80 = 2120 (max draw)

Putback after 3 minutes = 1452

1452 / 3 = 484 (average draw per minute)

2120 / 484 = 4.38 

60 X .38 = 22.8 so your max flight time is 4:22... I'd set the timer for 4 minutes, that way you have a cushion. 

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RE: My Hurricane 550's first Hover - 10/22/2009 1:16 PM   
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Parts arent really a big factor for me really, because of my location i tend to order overseas regardless, its just damn cheaper than local stores.

my choise of the hurri is mainly my buget i recon i can cobble one together for round a grand, if i got a trex it would cost close to a grand just for the kit, albeit would be carbonfiber but thats something i would want later,

I could also be something to do with the awesome community on HF and Marco's mate Dion.

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RE: My Hurricane 550's first Hover - 10/23/2009 9:46 AM   
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RE: My Hurricane 550's first Hover - 10/23/2009 10:47 AM   
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That was one of the best answers to a question I have ever gotten. Thank you. I am still up in the air on which to buy mainly because of the parts issue. I might just wait to add a new bird to the fleet while I keep honing my skills on the 450s. But my next heli will be one of the two. Unless I just say to heck with it and get the trex 600 but then I would have to get a second mortgage on my house to get batteries.

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RE: My Hurricane 550's first Hover - 10/23/2009 12:36 PM   
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Thanks!  I have Hyperion 3300 VX 35C's as well... I'm still breaking those in, though so I can't really comment on flight times.   On your batteries, I'm sure you know this, but I figured I'd be on the safe side...

Fly for exactly three minutes; timer runs from the instant before you start to spool up, to just after you land and either go to zero throttle or hit throttle hold .  Charge your battery.  Note the put back.   Divide the put back by 3, this gives you maH draw per minute on an average.  Next divide 2120 (your maximum drain) by your draw per minute.  That will give you your maximum flight time.  For example:

2650 X .80 = 2120 (max draw)

Putback after 3 minutes = 1452

1452 / 3 = 484 (average draw per minute)

2120 / 484 = 4.38 

60 X .38 = 22.8 so your max flight time is 4:22... I'd set the timer for 4 minutes, that way you have a cushion. 

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Scott ~ I understand the math behind your last post but i have been recording the reults of the last few charges. at 5:30 I was going over the 80% in mA back in - for the last three flights I dropped that to 5:20 (that's 5.3 on the chart attached).

Going to 5.20 has dropped the recharge to right on the 80% or just below but I might fly 5 mins to be safe and record the mA back in with that time.

Worth noting is that I charge first which takes about an hour and then balance for about 40 mins. That is shown in the chart. Do you include both?

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RE: My Hurricane 550's first Hover - 10/23/2009 2:48 PM   
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I looked at your chart... you're all over that stuff, bro!   I understand what you're doing and it's cool.  The figures I posted are for total maH use, including balancing  I figure it out for each battery after the 6th break-in flight.  Then, what I've done is do the three minute flight again every six flights and see if I should change my flight times.  It's a constant proccess.  I don't keep records like you, though.  I just write down the put back on the battery and the calculated flight time and go from there.  It's never been wrong and I only go over if I ignore my timer.  In fact, after the 13th flight with my Hyperion's for my T-Rex, I got to increase flight time because the drain was less.  

I really like your spreadsheet, though. After thinking about it, do you have a blank template you can PM me?  It's about time I start keeping records. 

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RE: My Hurricane 550's first Hover - 10/23/2009 2:49 PM   
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That was one of the best answers to a question I have ever gotten. Thank you. I am still up in the air on which to buy mainly because of the parts issue. I might just wait to add a new bird to the fleet while I keep honing my skills on the 450s. But my next heli will be one of the two. Unless I just say to heck with it and get the trex 600 but then I would have to get a second mortgage on my house to get batteries.



You're welcome!  Yeah, batteries can be expensive.  I'm finding I get the best bang for the buck with Hyperion's these days. 

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RE: My Hurricane 550's first Hover - 10/24/2009 9:06 AM   
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