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A gift here for all of you, look... - 12/16/2007 9:34 AM   
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This is the most complete and up to date list of engine HP. The prices may be off. This is true corrected HP NOT MANUFACTURER RATED! I hope this helps clear up any myths or hearsay. Look there has been some confusion on these dyno results. This is a crank Dyno in a test condition. This is NOT a prop dyno. prop dynos are not accurate. this is the standard that most engine companies are going to. the 3 and 5hp is out this is what you will get at the crank with good tune and pipe without taking into account weather and altitude. With kit means it isn't normaly a retail sale engine.
This is to keep the engine makers honest.



Company Engine HP TQ Peak RPM Part # Price

Associated MGT 4.6cc 1.10 @ 19,500 rpm 57.60 oz-in @ 17,750 rpm 34,250 rpm w/ kit n/a
Associated AE.15 .44 @ 22,100 rpm 21.87 oz-in @ 20,100 rpm 33,100 w/kit

Axial Racing .28 Spec I S 1.43 @ 22,800 rpm 75.61 oz-in @ 18,000 rpm 35,000 rpm AX001 $160
Axial Racing .32 same as the Racers Edge Sure Fire .32 with in a 10th in the Sure Fires favor

CEN NX-26 1.02 @ 23,200 rpm 53.00 oz-in. @ 18,000 rpm 33,200 rpm w/ kit n/a
CEN X-76 .46 1.58 @ 21,250 rpm 74.88 oz-in @ 16,500 rpm 36,000 rpm w/ kit $299
CEN OPS .21 speedster 1.27 @ 27,000 rpm 57.53 oz-in @ 19,200 39,800 rpm w/kit n/a

GS GS-R25MT 1.20 @ 24,000 rpm 55.68 oz-in @ 17,000 rpm 35,500 rpm w/ kit $230

HPI 18 SS 0.63 @ 29,500 rpm 24.96 oz-in @ 22,250 rpm 32,500 rpm w/ kit $170
HPI Nitro Star F4.1 0.94 @ 20,250 rpm 48.60 oz-in @ 18,000 rpm 33,500 rpm w/ kit n/a
HPI K4.6HO 1.28 @ 19,500 rpm 64.76 oz-in @ 19,500 rpm 32,000 rpm w/ kit n/a
HPI Nitro Star K4.6 1.32 @ 22,250 rpm 59.52 oz-in @ 19,750 rpm 35,000 rpm w/ kit $200
HPI Nitro Star GS 3.0 .56 @ 25,700 rpm 21.83 oz-in @ 25,500 rpm 36,300 rpm w/ kit

Kyosho GSR-26 0.94 @ 31,500 rpm 46.08 oz-in @ 14,300 rpm 34,250 rpm w/ kit n/a
Kyosho GSR-28 1.16 @ 21,800 rpm 56.32 oz-in @ 19,600 rpm 32,800 rpm w/kit n/a

LRP Z .12R Team Spec.2 1.11 @ 34,500 rpm 32.46 oz-in @ 34,250 rpm 41,250 rpm LRP31201 $240
LRP Z .28R Spec.3 Truggy 1.87 @ 27,200 rpm 70.77 oz-in @ 25,600 rpm 42,800 rpm

Mach .15 Rear Exhaust 0.65 @ 21,500 rpm 30.72 oz-in @ 11,000 rpm 29,500 rpm w/ kit $120

Max Power .12 S-3MF 0.91 @ 34,750 rpm 28.80 oz-in @ 30,250 rpm 43,000 rpm MX12MAXS2MF $349
Max Power MX21M5 1.35 @ 24,500 rpm 55.68 oz-in @ 21,000 rpm 38,250 rpm MX21M5 $350

Mugen X12 SE 0.88 @ 21,500 rpm 28.80 oz-in @ 30,000 rpm 42,500 rpm X12S3 $290

Novarossi N21B 1.33 @ 22,750 rpm 59.52 oz-in @ 20,750 rpm 35,750 rpm N21B $199
Novarossi N528XR Hott Mod 2.02 @ 26,250 rpm 80.64 oz-in @ 22,000 rpm 38,500 rpm N528XR $319
Novarossi P5 1.46 @ 25,250 rpm 59.52 oz-in @ 22,000 rpm 37,750 rpm A2C201 $300

Novarossi 12-3CT 1.03 @ 33,500 rpm 31.32 oz-in @ 32,800rpm 42,000 rpm $395

O.S. .12TZ(S) T3 0.80 @ 34,000 rpm 24.96 oz-in @ 21,750 rpm 38,500 rpm 11371 $230
O.S. 12 TR 0.65 @ 30,000 rpm 25.00 oz-in @ 23,250 rpm 39,350 rpm 11362 $130
O.S. 12 TR-T Outlaw 0.73 @ 31,500 rpm 25.96 oz-in @ 27,250 rpm 41,000 rpm 11365 $160
O.S. .18 TZ-T 1.18 @ 29,400 rpm 44.16 oz-in @ 21,750 rpm 42,050 rpm OSMG2114 $180
O.S. VZ-B V-Spec 1.47 @ 24,250 rpm 61.20 oz-in @ 22,500 rpm 41,500 rpm 13890 $320
O.S. 30VG 1.80 @ 26,500 rpm 74.88 oz-in @ 18,750 rpm 35,500 rpm 13960 $250

Ofna Hyper 21 8-Port 0.98 @ 20,750 rpm 49.92 oz-in @ 14,750 rpm 33,000 rpm w/ kit $150
Ofna Force .26 1.02 @ 24,000 rpm 48.00 oz-in @ 19,500 rpm 38,500 rpm w/ kit $140
Ofna/Picco P7-R Evo .21 1.47 @ 25,200 rpm 59.01 oz-in. @ 24,800 rpm 39,400 rpm 51218 $309
Ofna Force .32 1.23 @ 23,000 rpm 66.07 oz-in @ 17,400 rpm 33,200 rpm w/kit
Ofna Hyper MacStar 2.8 6 port 1.03 @ 23,400 rpm 44.82 oz-in @ 23,400 rpm 34,200 rpm w/ kit

Peak Diablo .12 Type-R 0.51 @ 25,550 rpm 21.10 oz-in @ 19,000 rpm 33,000 rpm PEK6006 $150
Peak Diablo .28 1.33 @ 27,500 rpm 48.00 oz-in @ 22,000 rpm 40,800 rpm PEK6081 $170

Racers Edge Sure Fire .32 1.65 @ 21,750 rpm 74.80 oz-in @ 21,000 rpm 34,500 rpm RCESF10000 $200

Radical 621P 1.27 @ 26,150 rpm 52.06 oz-in @ 19,400 rpm 39,400 rpm kit n/a

RB Concepts V12 Rody 3T 0.95 @ 34,250 rpm 28.80 oz-in @ 28,750 rpm 44,750 rpm 1700-000445 $375

Rex R12S5 Outlaw 0.84 @ 34,750 rpm 26.88 oz-in @ 26,750 rpm 41,250 rpm RER12S5 $385
Rex ReR5 5-port turbo 0.84 @ 34,750 rpm 27.00 oz-in @ 26,750 rpm 41,250 rpm ReR5S3 $320

Rossi Cobra .21 1.32 @ 25,600 rpm 52.45 oz-in @ 25,200 rpm 41,200 rpm 190AR21 $350

SH PT2002XB .21 1.21 @ 22,100 rpm 55.68 oz-in @ 19,750 rpm 39,000 rpm 147009 $229
SH 0.28 1.22 @ 20,500 rpm 61.40 oz-in @ 14,750 rpm 38,450 rpm w/ kit $150

Sirio S12T3 EvoIII 0.79 @ 35,050 rpm 23.04 oz-in @ 22,000 rpm 40,750 rpm S12-TRP1 $200
Sirio P21 PR Pro 1.46 @ 27,750 RPM 53.76 oz-in @ 26,250 RPM 41,000 rpm S12-TRP1 $200

Sportwerks 0.26 1.30 @ 26,750 rpm 53.76 oz-in @ 19,000 rpm 42,750 rpm w/ kit n/a

STS D30M 1.6 @ 25,000rpm 67.99 oz-in @35,000rpm 35,000rpm $130
STS28 is the same peak HP is at a lower rpm band than the STS D30M

Super Tiger G-27CX 0.86 @ 17,250 rpm 50.70 oz-in @ 16,250 rpm 30,250 rpm w/ kit n/a

Tamiya FR-15S 0.48 @ 30,250 rpm 21.12 oz-in @ 13,000 rpm 36,500 rpm S21 PR Pro $350

Team Losi Mach 427 1.31 @ 26,750 rpm 53.80 oz-in @18,750 rpm 43,250 rpm w/ kit n/a

Thunder Tiger Pro .21 0.92 @ 21,750 rpm 57.60 oz-in @ 16,750 rpm 37,750 rpm w/ kit n/a
Thunder Tiger Pro 28 BXR 1.10 @ 19,500 rpm 57.60 oz-in @ 17,750 rpm 34,250 rpm w/ kit n/a

Top TS12S3 0.77 @ 31,000 rpm 26.88 oz-in @ 20,250 rpm 41,750 rpm TSR12S3 $299

Traxxas TRX 2.5 Rear Exhaust 0.69 @ 29,750 rpm 30.72 oz-in @ 18,750 rpm 38,500 rpm w/ kit $120
Traxxas TRX 3.3 Pullstart 1.06 @ 31,250 rpm 37.49 oz-in @ 19,500 rpm 37,750 rpm w/ kit $152

Trinity 427 Monster Horsepower 1.02 @ 24,250 rpm 48.00 oz-in @ 19,250 rpm 38,100 rpm w/ kit n/a
Trinity .30 Adam Drake 1.44 @ 21,750 rpm 55.68 oz-in @ 27,000 rpm 36,250 rpm TRI40006 $215
Trinity .21 Adam Drake 1.48 @ 25,400 rpm 57.72 oz-in @25,400 rpm 41,000 rpm TRI40012 $465
Trinity .21 Platinum Drake 1.58 @ 26,200 rpm 61.03 oz-in @25,800 rpm 40,600 rpm w/ kit

Werks Racing Collari B7 1.54 @ 26,000 rpm 59.52 oz-in @ 23,750 rpm 36,650 rpm WRXLC21B7 $250

Xray NT18 w/ kit n/a

XTM XTM 24.7 1.27 @ 23,000 rpm 61.44 oz-in @ 16,750 rpm 37,250 rpm w/ kit $140

Thanks to Derek at Xtreme RC Magazine.


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RE: A gift here for all of you, look... - 12/16/2007 9:41 AM   
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1st place: Ofna Hyper MacStar 2.8 6 port 1.03, 2.8HP real measured ina real dyno.






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RE: A gift here for all of you, look... - 12/16/2007 10:05 AM   
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That's true, dynos don't lie.

1st place: Ofna Hyper MacStar 2.8 6 port 1.03, 2.8HP real measured ina real dyno.


Uhhh, I think you misread that. It's says 1.03 HP @ 23,400 RPM!

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RE: A gift here for all of you, look... - 12/16/2007 10:07 AM   
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RE: A gift here for all of you, look... - 12/16/2007 10:07 AM   
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That's true, dynos don't lie.

1st place: Ofna Hyper MacStar 2.8 6 port 1.03, 2.8HP real measured ina real dyno.


Uhhh, I think you misread that. It's says 1.03 HP @ 23,400 RPM!


You right man 28 is the engine type right .

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RE: A gift here for all of you, look... - 12/16/2007 10:11 AM   
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RE: A gift here for all of you, look... - 12/16/2007 10:12 AM   
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Novarossi N528XR Hott Mod 2.02 @ 26,250 rpm 80.64 oz-in @ 22,000 rpm 38,500 rpm N528XR $319

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RE: A gift here for all of you, look... - 12/16/2007 10:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: rafa26

That's true, dynos don't lie.

1st place: Ofna Hyper MacStar 2.8 6 port 1.03, 2.8HP real measured ina real dyno.


Uhhh, I think you misread that. It's says 1.03 HP @ 23,400 RPM!


You right man 28 is the engine type right .

Lol yeah, they just put the decimal point in the wrong spot, it should be .28 not 2.8!

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RE: A gift here for all of you, look... - 12/16/2007 10:16 AM   
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yep, and it's not a very well updated list either.....it's missing the axial .28 RR as well as the Picco .28's too....the one you misread is a 2.8cc not .28 (unless it's a typo)

I'd like to know the actual HP numbers on my SH .28-P6, not just the regular SH .28

The manufacturer has it listed at 3.86 or something crazy like that! But I know that is a bloated number!

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RE: A gift here for all of you, look... - 12/16/2007 10:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		the champion is currnetly the AB mods picco .28 P3, 2.39 HP, i've linked you to a thread in your topic in the revo forum with some interestinf dyno charts from AB mods, who uses the same dyno as xtreme RC.

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RE: A gift here for all of you, look... - 12/16/2007 10:30 AM   
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RE: A gift here for all of you, look... - 12/16/2007 4:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Also this list contains alot of engines that are irrelevant to to savage users, such as, .12 size and .15 so forth. I have an RB TM728 but the list only contains the little v12 rody version which is no use in a Savage.

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RE: A gift here for all of you, look... - 12/16/2007 5:51 PM   
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Also this list contains alot of engines that are irrelevant to to savage users, such as, .12 size and .15 so forth. I have an RB TM728 but the list only contains the little v12 rody version which is no use in a Savage.


At least until they come out with the 8 speed trans for the Savage and a 10t CB and a 900t spur

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RE: A gift here for all of you, look... - 12/16/2007 5:52 PM   
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Trinity .21 Platinum Drake 1.58 @ 26,200 rpm 61.03 oz-in @25,800 rpm 40,600 rpm w/ kit

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RE: A gift here for all of you, look... - 12/16/2007 6:29 PM   
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Status: online 		So the LRP comes in second to the high dollar Nova Rossi... I'm happy I made the right choice. The OS30VG looks nice too with all that torque.

I also like the FIVE HORSEPOWER CEN .46 coming at 1.58 HP... what a joke!

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RE: A gift here for all of you, look... - 12/16/2007 6:38 PM   
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RE: A gift here for all of you, look... - 12/16/2007 6:39 PM   
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So the LRP comes in second to the high dollar Nova Rossi... I'm happy I made the right choice. The OS30VG looks nice too with all that torque.

I also like the FIVE HORSEPOWER CEN .46 coming at 1.58 HP... what a joke!

the LRP is an awesome engine,run it in my mgt,no complaints what so ever.solid performance all the way around


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RE: A gift here for all of you, look... - 12/31/2007 12:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		now I'm gonna have to ditch my .26 maxx medium block and finger out a way to shoe horn the lrp .28 in her. I wonder what the picco .26 maxx puts out. Even with the baby exhaust port it yanks the front end up on my 2.5 tmaxx at about 15-20mph in full aluminum a-arms, full steel rollcage, and big alum bumpers . Doesn't even have 10 tanks through it either... so it's still tight.

Anybody have some other dyno lists/links? I'm curious to find out how the medium blocks stack up to big and small blocks.

I'd like to see what the new sirio .27 is putting out. I've heard it's as roudy as the nova rossi.

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RE: A gift here for all of you, look... - 12/31/2007 6:44 PM   
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STS D30M

Engine - Max HP - Cost - Cost/HP - Max Tq - Cost/Tq - Avg Cost/hp/tq
STS D30M - 1.6 - 130 - 81.25 - 67.99 - 1.91 - 41.58
XTM XTM 24.7 - 1.27 - 140 - 110.24 - 61.44 - 2.28 - 56.26
Axial Racing .28 Spec I S - 1.43 - 160 - 111.89 - 75.61 - 2.12 - 57.00
Racers Edge Sure Fire .32 - 1.65 - 200 - 121.21 - 74.8 - 2.67 - 61.94
SH 0.28 - 1.22 - 150 - 122.95 - 61.4 - 2.44 - 62.70
Peak Diablo .28 - 1.33 - 170 - 127.82 - 48 - 3.54 - 65.68
Ofna Force .26 - 1.02 - 140 - 137.25 - 48 - 2.92 - 70.09
Sirio P21 PR Pro - 1.46 - 200 - 136.99 - 53.76 - 3.72 - 70.35
O.S. 30VG - 1.8 - 250 - 138.89 - 74.88 - 3.34 - 71.11
Traxxas TRX 3.3 Pullstart - 1.06 - 152 - 143.40 - 37.49 - 4.05 - 73.73
Novarossi N21B - 1.33 - 199 - 149.62 - 59.52 - 3.34 - 76.48
Trinity .30 Adam Drake - 1.44 - 215 - 149.31 - 55.68 - 3.86 - 76.58
HPI Nitro Star K4.6 - 1.32 - 200 - 151.52 - 59.52 - 3.36 - 77.44
Ofna Hyper 21 8-Port - 0.98 - 150 - 153.06 - 49.92 - 3.00 - 78.03
O.S. .18 TZ-T - 1.18 - 180 - 152.54 - 44.16 - 4.08 - 78.31
Novarossi N528XR Hott Mod - 2.02 - 319 - 157.92 - 80.92 - 3.94 - 80.93
Werks Racing Collari B7 - 1.54 - 250 - 162.34 - 59.52 - 4.20 - 83.27
Traxxas TRX 2.5 Rear Exhaust - 0.69 - 120 - 173.91 - 30.72 - 3.91 - 88.91
Mach .15 Rear Exhaust - 0.65 - 120 - 184.62 - 30.72 - 3.91 - 94.26
SH PT2002XB .21 - 1.21 - 229 - 189.26 - 55.68 - 4.11 - 96.68
GS GS-R25MT - 1.2 - 230 - 191.67 - 55.68 - 4.13 - 97.90
O.S. 12 TR - 0.65 - 130 - 200.00 - 25 - 5.20 - 102.60
Novarossi P5 - 1.46 - 300 - 205.48 - 59.52 - 5.04 - 105.26
Ofna/Picco P7-R Evo .21 - 1.47 - 309 - 210.20 - 59.01 - 5.24 - 107.72
O.S. VZ-B V-Spec - 1.47 - 320 - 217.69 - 61.2 - 5.23 - 111.46
O.S. 12 TR-T Outlaw - 0.73 - 160 - 219.18 - 25.96 - 6.16 - 112.67
LRP Z .12R Team Spec.2 - 1.1 - 240 - 218.18 - 32.46 - 7.39 - 112.79
Sirio S12T3 EvoIII - 0.79 - 200 - 253.16 - 23.04 - 8.68 - 130.92
Max Power MX21M5 - 1.35 - 350 - 259.26 - 55.68 - 6.29 - 132.77
Rossi Cobra .21 - 1.32 - 350 - 265.15 - 52.45 - 6.67 - 135.91
HPI 18 SS - 0.63 - 170 - 269.84 - 24.96 - 6.81 - 138.33
O.S. .12TZ(S) T3 - 0.8 - 230 - 287.50 - 24.96 - 9.21 - 148.36
Peak Diablo .12 Type-R - 0.51 - 150 - 294.12 - 21.1 - 7.11 - 150.61
Trinity .21 Adam Drake - 1.48 - 465 - 314.19 - 57.72 - 8.06 - 161.12
Mugen X12 SE - 0.88 - 290 - 329.55 - 28.8 - 10.07 - 169.81
Rex ReR5 5-port turbo - 0.84 - 320 - 380.95 - 27 - 11.85 - 196.40
Max Power .12 S-3MF - 0.91 - 349 - 383.52 - 28.8 - 12.12 - 197.82
Novarossi 12-3CT - 1.03 - 395 - 383.50 - 31.32 - 12.61 - 198.05
Top TS12S3 - 0.77 - 299 - 388.31 - 26.88 - 11.12 - 199.72
RB Concepts V12 Rody 3T - 0.95 - 375 - 394.74 - 28.8 - 13.02 - 203.88
Rex R12S5 Outlaw - 0.84 - 385 - 458.33 - 26.88 - 14.32 - 236.33
CEN X-76 - 0.46 - 299 - 650.00 - 74.88 - 3.99 - 327.00
Tamiya FR-15S - 0.48 - 350 - 729.17 - 21.12 - 16.57 - 372.87

Some are missing because there is no cost given in the original post. I couldn't calculate a cost per hp/tq when there was no cost given. If anyone knows I'll fill them in and repost.


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RE: A gift here for all of you, look... - 12/31/2007 10:45 PM   
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That's true, dynos don't lie.



Oh, they most certainly do. Especially from one dyno to another...and one day to the next. Case in point...DynoJet chassis dyno's are imfamous for *generous* dyno results. Mustang dyno's have been more accurate because you can set the load to what you want.

Another problem is the inertial dyno vs. the water-break system. The water-break system has shown over the years to be much more reliable and accurate.

If you do *all* these motors on *one* dyno in a single day under similar circumstances, then you'll have good comparison numbers. The numbers themselves may not even be accurate, but if you do them all in one day then you will have a way of telling what's making the best numbers and how the others compare.


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RE: A gift here for all of you, look... - 1/1/2008 12:55 AM   
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If you do *all* these motors on *one* dyno in a single day under similar circumstances, then you'll have good comparison numbers. The numbers themselves may not even be accurate, but if you do them all in one day then you will have a way of telling what's making the best numbers and how the others compare.



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