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Flying at the AMA Muncie site. - 12/16/2007 2:52:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		In the R/C Scale Aircraft topic, under a thread entitled "Where are all the R/C Scale Contests" is this post by a gentleman named Timothy Thompson:

"well i went to muncie to fly my 1/5 corsair. I had business in the area and took the plane . I went to the field and flew. All of a sudden three guys come running out saying i have no right to fl;there. i showed them my ama card and was told get off its private prop. that was 4 years ago and i have not renewed ama and have found my own private land. I thought muncie was for all well its not"!

My guess is there is more to this then what he has stated above. However, does this sound possible? At the AMA website it is clearly stated the Muncie site is open for all member's use, unless a contest or other AMA activity is going on!


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RE: Flying at the AMA Muncie site. - 12/16/2007 3:09:40 PM   
jlkonn



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Status: offline 		I flew the Nats this year at Muncie so I got to have a good look around and talk to a lot of folks.
Don't know about 4 years ago but the site is very open now.
There are no attendants at the gate booth and you are free to just drive in.
Of course if there is an event going on you would probably be denied permission to fly at that particular time but I don't think you would be denied permission to the grounds.
Not sure.
I think it would be just good sense to check in at the headquarters receptionist before flying.
I do know that the roads around the flying sites are open to the public and are used by local walkers and bicyclists.
As far as the headquarters building is concerened I thought it was very well done.
Nice but modest...no guilding the lily or palacial offices.
The museum was nice too but VERY crowded...just so much stuff...and I'm sure there is many times what was on display stored away.
Overall I was very impressed and proud of what AMA has accomplished.
The one really bad thing, and I don't know what can ever be done about it, is that it's a long drive for some folks to ever go see it.
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RE: Flying at the AMA Muncie site. - 12/16/2007 4:34:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		hi the story is true! I got a flight in and was rudely told to leave. Now why I have no idea and I truly hope things have changed. I was flying responsibly just doing scale maneuvers when i landed and taxied in these 3 men came running out and told me to leave.
Were they disgruntled members of another club IDK I was so mad I didnt stop at headquarters to ask I just left and drove home.
i did write a letter to AMA and never heard a thing I called and was put on hold and got disconnected.

i hope this was an isolated incident. I brought the plane because I know they had an open policy. There were no activities in fact i was the only one there flying

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RE: Flying at the AMA Muncie site. - 12/16/2007 6:50:32 PM   
Hossfly



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Status: offline 		Site rules are found at: http://www.modelaircraft.org/documents.aspx, and IIRC it's number 106, or at least up close to top of list.

Did you not check in at the headquartes station? Not required, but would you go to any club's site and just start flying without checking with the locals? How could you have any idea whether some special event is in progress or not if you don't ask.

Were you there after the flying hours, which incidentally I think are absolutely absurd, especially when late evening flying is -- to me -- the preferred time period, yet those hours are in the rules and if you just go in and start flying, well, expect to get called on it.

If you are so thin-skinned that you will not stand up and find out why you are being yelled at, well YOU have a problem that you might give some thought to.

To harber and foster such a grudge, without getting definite answers is -- IMO -- somewhat childish. In addition if you send AMA any form of communication, best you make it a certified, return receipt, letter. Otherwise I will bet you 5 to 1 that it will GET LOST, even if it contains a check. With me AMA is, historically, very good at losing mail.

So with all their faults, it's UP TO YOU to explore and find out why you were mistreated. Now you might think about the fact that there are many non-member fliers that try to go there and fly free. OUR MONIES BUILT AND MAINTAIN THAT FACILITY. So I am glad to hear they do try to protect it from those that could be a trespasser.

Possibly those 3 guys could have been trspassers since you obviously did not stand up and find out just who they were and by what authority they wanted you to leave. YOU TOO can KICK BUTT!

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RE: Flying at the AMA Muncie site. - 12/16/2007 8:42:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		realize i was in muncie for a teachers workshop and it was a quick detour. Noone was in site and i flew a good 20 minutes! I just got a pm from someone from ama saying they were sorry. Its not a big deal since I will not be downthere. I cant travel much due to my wifes disability. You are correct these guys could have been anyone. I didnt make a big deal about it because I was done flying and was on my way home anyway. its a nice place to fly though

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RE: Flying at the AMA Muncie site. - 12/16/2007 11:36:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, you sorta did make a big deal about it, you've posted here talking about it and dropped membership in the AMA and have not rejoined because of this one strange event. You are pointing your finger at the AMA aluding to your being ill treated by them, when some responsibility really was due on your part. Your own due diligence here, might have spared you the bad feelings you have over the matter.

You want to drop the AMA, that's fine and your choice. No ill will meant on my part and Good luck!

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RE: Flying at the AMA Muncie site. - 12/17/2007 12:40:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, Tim. Did you think it was your site just because of the money you've poured into it? I guess you've been told what for.

Next time follow the established protocol. Go to HQ and kiss JC's behind. And stay the heck away from the lawnmowers.

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RE: Flying at the AMA Muncie site. - 12/17/2007 2:08:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		see there was no one around and not being in any clubs ( i have my own field) i went ahead and flew. I probably will rejoin AMA and shuld have gone and asked what all the fuss was about. They did apologize and I didnt know the proper criterea for flying

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RE: Flying at the AMA Muncie site. - 12/17/2007 7:26:00 AM   
KidEpoxy



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Status: online 		While Tim may not have gotten to the bottom of things while in Muncie,
he did say he made a call & even sent a letter.

Just how many letters was he supposed to send?

I see plenty of due diligence on Tims part to see what was up in the call & the letter sending. Just getting a call dropped & giving up would be pretty thin, but the combo of call & letter seems reasonable.

But as many have pointed out already,
this was probably just some miscomunication on the part of the guys kicking you out.

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RE: Flying at the AMA Muncie site. - 12/17/2007 11:44:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		Seems to me no matter whoses AMA field your were at that at least one of the men would have tried finding out if you had registered or whatever anyone requires before asking or telling you to leave. I am kinda like Hoss that would have perturbed me and I would have made a stink about it probabaly then and there. But had the same thing happen to me when I rented a race track for the day to practice for upcoming race and had a heck of a deal with the owner whom did not know that I had HIS track rented. Tried hard to make me load up and leave but ended up winning out that time. Had reciets from his office. But sure made enough of a rucuss to spoil what I was doing. Won the race by the way.

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RE: Flying at the AMA Muncie site. - 12/17/2007 4:09:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Document 106 says flying to sundown for open flying. Maybe it had changed.

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RE: Flying at the AMA Muncie site. - 12/17/2007 5:37:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		it was evening but remember 4 years ago. Im sure things changed this wasnt even put on the ama section i made a comment to someone and they stuck it here. Im not mad complaining ect. I have my own field and will rejion . I did get a apology email

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RE: Flying at the AMA Muncie site. - 12/18/2007 3:02:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		From my point of view I would not walk onto any R/C flying field and expect to be welcome to fly, without prior arrangements being made with the controlling party. I feel I could only expect to do this at a club field where I am a member. And, although I am a member of the AMA, I don't consider Muncie to be my club field as it may be in use for contests or any other use which the organization may deem it usable for. I do not condone what happened to Timothy Thompson with the instance which he alludes to. I don't know who the people where who chased him off the premises and I don't know if what he describes is what actually happened.

The above explaination of my expectations are feelings of how I should conduct myself. However, I think most of us would only consider them as fair and courteous.


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RE: Flying at the AMA Muncie site. - 12/20/2007 8:54:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Don't let these guys get under your skin. You should be able to fly at the money pit .............. I mean the AMA Fields. Alot of folks forgot the reason we are here.

Flying is fun! Flying is our hobby! Yes reading the threads here many has their hobby is the club and not flying. How to create rules and how to take the fun out of RC. Its not like that here. We love to fly and so we fly.

I understand the AMA will have a Profile Brotherhood Fly this summer. So the AMA is getting better.

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RE: Flying at the AMA Muncie site. - 12/20/2007 9:21:30 PM