KidEpoxy
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From: San Antonio,
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See what happens when I try to start a new year,
I take STL off ignore and right away its off to the races.
Lets see, what does STL say it costs.... well, lets review:
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STL 11/25/07:
Like I said, MA costs each member between $6-7 per year, that's 12 issues shipped to the door. These are the hard numbers, balance sheets don't lie, however RCU forum members dilute the truth. I take no credit other then reading the 2006 financial report for my comments.
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STL 12/1/07:
Hey Kid check out post #24 and see where I got $6.66 a copy. Dave Mathewson is a bright guy as demonstrated in this thread. He also handles himself very professionally
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STL 12/1/07:
Once again, Dave Mathewson is correct in his math and most especially, his logic. MA's net cost is divisible by the entire MEMBERSHIP, not magazines shipped. But at the very least you've discovered each member is not paying $18, that's a relief. You should take a few books out on them pizza deliveries. (I know what you really do, do.)
wow, he sure puts stock in the numbers DM gave... I really like the way he cites the 2006Financial report... appears very credible... but what did DM say and what are the Financial Report numbers? I'll blue up the numbers DaveM has in his post
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Kid Epoxy: 12/2/07 to Hoss
As to you quoting STL about DM calculating the 'subscription cost'
did you do that to show where DM used ball park numbers to get a ballpark answer? Nothing wrong with that, DM made it clear the figures were his estimates so I'm not gonna pick on him for that. Or did you put that reference to DM Post#24 to show the method/formula DM used to get that number? How DM clearly stated he was using 155k as the member number because he was deducting the Youth & Family ( the No-Magazine Folks), just as I used the 2005 No-Magazine number.
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DM (The Cheif) Post#24:
Assuming the audit report paints an accurate picture of the magazine operation, in round numbers, it appears as an expense of roughly $1,000.000. Divide the million by, say 155,000 (figuring that not all youth memberships or 2nd family members receive the magazine) and that works out to about $6.45. So the question becomes could we create a black & white "newsletter" including paper, ink, printing, postage and the labor to put it all together for .54 per copy? I don't know.
so, If Hoss doesnt mind me getting a quick review in for the masses playing along at home,
DM used $1mil loss / 155k ( excluded the no-mag folks) = $6.45 estimate
KE used 2005 1.132mil loss / 132k (2005 MA avg subs sent : like DM excluding no-mag folks) = $8.57
...... If folks would like to complain about DMs formula for calculating the averaged cost to member, then they should complain to DM about it & not me for using DMs formula with 2005 non-estimate numbers.
Uh-oh, Holy Cited Sources Batman!! Look at the real numbers under the VERBATIM estimate from DM.
But wait, lest see how I could be wrong, Spin it maestro-
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STL 12/2/07
However Dave's math was off, but so was yours. He ballparked 1.0MM against 1.132MM. 1.132MM against 155k MEMBERS, works out to $7.30 per MEMBER cost, which is what he used in his analysis, which you are obviously comparing your analysis too. If the AMA moved to a independent for profit entity for MA, say BYE BYE to that number, even at $8
So, what does STL say the magazine costs now? 75cents a issue ($9.00)?
Seems that is neither his 11/25 guess of $6-7 from him reading AMA financial reposts,
nor is that the STL 12/1 $6.66 citation of DM post24 (DM estimated 6.45 in post),
despite STL declaring 12/1 how accurate DM was in math & in formula (like stl & the financial reports?),
Nor is STL's current 75cents accurate to my posting of the real numbers that give $8.57 (71cents)
nor is it is it STL's $7.30 (61cent) admission that DM was way off in $ and formula.
Yet each time he will assure you he is right.
Kinda like now.
Lets ask how he went from December $7.30 to $9 (75cent)
Any guesses as to what new cost STL will declare as fact in March?
How much does it cost? Using the numbers from Aug & Nov 2006 MA
2005 MA Direct Cost $2186k
2005 Average MA subs copies sent: 131.6k
but it had revenue to offset some ot the cost
2005 MA Advertizing $992k
2005 MA Subscribtions $62k
How MA did in 2005 : $1132k LOSS for 131.6k avg magazines made
and no matter what folks tell you,
AMA is not collecting $8 to subsidize MA from the kids that pay only $1 a year. You cant make an $8 deposit from a $1 check.
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Know what, life is just better with folks on the ignore list.
I'm gonna go get a 79cent 20oz coffe & give STL the Lil Red Hand again.
I'll give him another shot in 2009
< Message edited by KidEpoxy -- 1/8/2008 5:31:40 PM >
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and I now do not understand how anyone could hold KidEpoxy's position. My AMA dues are $24 a year, less than I pay for Flying Models, or Control Line World, and less than half what membership in PAMPA costs. I should charge for my secrets as to how to go so cheap, but I will tell you for free. (1) become a CD and CD a contest. That cuts your dues in half. (2) Grow old. That gives you, at the moment, a senior rate. I suspect # 2 will go away as we all age together.