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RE: Struggling with Single Rotor basics - 2/3/2008 12:40:53 PM

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Practicing restraint? Me? WOW! Just goes to show that internet friendships are excellent, but in the short term they are pretty shallow. Over the years we will get to know each other but it takes a while. You want a Trex. We've shopped through a dozen variants of several great helicopters and you found the Copter X. By their own admission it's a Trex 450 clone with all the good stuff except the name. Probably, being from China where the business respect for patent rights is akin to eating the competition's young, it probably is a dead ringer for the Trex. You didn't cash out your retirement, you shopped until you found no less than what you want at your price point. I call that restraint.

Me? I have the unfortunate ability to get what I want so I have to be careful what I ask for. A lot of damage can be done by careless wishing. I fly what I have and my sights are set on something that is 'more than just good enough' to satisfy my desire to fly these things. I love to watch the bits work, and I do love the metal parts, but they all work the same. I appreciate scale flight, but I'm not going there. I will achieve smooth and proper flight - right side up is fine with me. And perhaps I'll upgrade to metal. Maybe this restraint thing is actually just old age and wisdom.

So your "exposure" to the Trex means that you actually flew the Trex while you were working the CX2. I didn't know that. That explains a lot.

Have a good day,
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RE: Struggling with Single Rotor basics - 2/3/2008 1:19:50 PM

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I want to go with a B400, but I think I will be just as happy with a belt CP or HBK2. I will probably go with a Belt just due to it being a bit larger. I can fly the CX inside and the #4 is a bit large for my area anyway. It gets boring hovering in the living room and I don't want to try nose in with the plasma tv so close.
What type of motorcycle do you have solo? I have a sporty fun SV650. I have 19K miles on it since I purchased it in 2004 but I have not been riding it like I used to.

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RE: Struggling with Single Rotor basics - 2/3/2008 3:28:27 PM

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The B400 comes with a killer radio. The Esky stuff has variable throttle curve and pitch curve knobs on their Tx. They also have long antennas. And if you have frequency sharing issues, maybe the B400 with the 2.4 ghz spread spectrum is better. I don't have those issues and I don't want to spend an additional $200 for radio gear. I'll keep my Falcon for inside and use either the Belt or King outside. Belt is bigger / heavier, King has more parts availability and is just a tad more compact. Maybe I'll just flip a coin. And if I don't like the results I'll flip it again.

The SV 650 gets nothing but great reviews. Good choice! The bike in my bike barn is a 2004 Honda St 1300A. It's pretty well loaded with the power windshield, ABS, heated seat, heated grips, electrical power distribution box in the tail section, a matching tail box (European spec only), wrapped headers and the list goes on. It's basically a loaded rocket with bags. Last weekend I went to the International Motorcycle Show at the IX Center in Cleveland with my riding group. I fell for a Suzuki DL 1000 V-Strom. At about 250 pounds less weight and similar horsepower, that has to be a hoot! I only have 36k miles on my 2003 St so it will be around for a while. Maybe. I don't ride the ST like I rode the Valkyrie. That V-Strom looks like fun.
You live really close to a wonderful riding area. Less than an hour south an east is beautiful. Been there, done that.

When you decide what heli is next, talk to me. I'm always curious.

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RE: Struggling with Single Rotor basics - 2/6/2008 10:10:02 PM

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Success at last! I have made it through the last two battery packs and kept the HBFP in the air the whole time! I used up most of about 10' square to keep it in the air, but it stayed in the air ( and off the walls, furniture, lamp shades, etc)

I started out kinda backwards learning to hover. First attempts were with flybar weights off, long swash arms, and no training wheels. Leave it to say I have tested the durability of the HBFP and it passed

After fighting to hover for 4-packs I decided to move back to the short swash arms, but kept the flybar weights off. Much better and I could get some hovers of about 2-minutes without incident. After two packs setup like that I broke down and put the training wheels on but kept the same setup otherwise. That brings me to where I am now, with two consecutive full battery hovers with the training gear on.

Is it normal to have quite a bit of vibration with the training gear on?

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RE: Struggling with Single Rotor basics - 2/6/2008 10:32:34 PM

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Oh yeah, my skids vibrate like a hula dancer in a earthquake. The head is smooth as glass but the rest of the heli vibrates and shakes pretty damn good! One of my pre-flight checks is tightening screws

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RE: Struggling with Single Rotor basics - 2/6/2008 10:46:48 PM

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Oh yeah, my skids vibrate like a hula dancer in a earthquake. The head is smooth as glass but the rest of the heli vibrates and shakes pretty damn good! One of my pre-flight checks is tightening screws

Thank ya Stump3r. I took a lot of time balancing everything to keep it from vibrating then after I added the gear, oh my gosh!!!

Anyway, long long way to go with learning to fly a single rotor but at least I won't get bored as quickly as I did learning to fly the coaxial

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RE: Struggling with Single Rotor basics - 2/6/2008 10:55:30 PM

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Your on your way now! It's like riding a bike, takes forever to get the hang of it but once you have it you have it. Now comes the perfecting part. I can hover mine in a 4x4 box now for a full battery and have started to work on side in, getting good at it, but give that tail a twist to nose in and I'm in a whole bunch of trouble. I'll figure it out one of these days.

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RE: Struggling with Single Rotor basics - 2/6/2008 11:39:14 PM

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Your on your way now! It's like riding a bike, takes forever to get the hang of it but once you have it you have it. Now comes the perfecting part. I can hover mine in a 4x4 box now for a full battery and have started to work on side in, getting good at it, but give that tail a twist to nose in and I'm in a whole bunch of trouble. I'll figure it out one of these days.

I hear ya on that. Problem is compounded because just like our CX2's, the yaw trim isn't consistent over the entire battery. I've got the proportional set as close as possible and I still need left trim at the start of the battery, and it moves over to right trim by the end of the battery. I suppose, just like the CX2, once I learn to fly it well the minor trim changes won't even be noticed as I will just fly it with the stick and hardly notice it.

So much to learn

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RE: Struggling with Single Rotor basics - 2/6/2008 11:57:44 PM

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Take the spring off the left stick so you won't notice that the tail is slightly out of adjustment.
If I'm wrong, but the spring back, but I've never heard of anyone going back to the spring after two days with it off. It's part of the training.

Change is inevitable. Adapt or die.

Soloboss.

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RE: Struggling with Single Rotor basics - 2/7/2008 12:15:19 AM

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Take the spring off the left stick so you won't notice that the tail is slightly out of adjustment.
If I'm wrong, but the spring back, but I've never heard of anyone going back to the spring after two days with it off. It's part of the training.

Change is inevitable. Adapt or die.

Soloboss.

I'll do it. I've already been in there and lightened all the springs to minimum so taking that rudder spring clear off shouldn't be to big a surprise to my fingers

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RE: Struggling with Single Rotor basics - 2/7/2008 2:03:48 AM

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If you don't like, I'll apologize. But most do get used to it really easily.
Something that you may want to do is to notch the throttle so it "Locks" in the off position until you start to bring the stick up. I did a You Tube about that. I wonder what is was called??
Found it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jL10L0QwUAQ
That keeps me from bumping the throttle after the heli is armed.

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RE: Struggling with Single Rotor basics - 2/7/2008 5:15:12 AM

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Take the spring off the left stick so you won't notice that the tail is slightly out of adjustment.
If I'm wrong, but the spring back, but I've never heard of anyone going back to the spring after two days with it off. It's part of the training.

Change is inevitable. Adapt or die.

Soloboss.

I have done this on all my tx's, my cx2, #4 and my sim tx. Now when I fly a heli with a tx that has the spring in it I fight the damn rudder something fierce. I haven't done the throttle lock mod though, great idea if you have ever been bitten by your heli.

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RE: Struggling with Single Rotor basics - 2/7/2008 5:35:56 AM

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