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RE: Struggling with Single Rotor basics - 1/3/2008 3:30:55 AM   
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Xyster--

That is the neatest little thing in your video...Lol.. Looks like a big bug ! That would be a fun thing to 'mod' out. I understand your lack of space to fly... I to have just a small yard to fly in. It makes it a little challenging to try and fly my CPP which reminds me of your Walkera and likes to go all over the place...! It's tameable, but with lots of practice... So with that, I'am still working on who's the boss thing with the CPP...lol.. The new Trex lets you be the boss almost instantly with my same skills that I give the CPP... It does just gets easier as you move to a belt driven heli. I found the light... But I still like my CPP, as challenging as it is.....

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RE: Struggling with Single Rotor basics - 1/3/2008 4:07:30 AM   
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Jeff, do you have the Belt CP? If so what's your honest opinion on her? A winner?

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RE: Struggling with Single Rotor basics - 1/3/2008 4:31:47 AM   
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Shane--

No, don't have the Belt CP...Just the CX2, 2 CPP's & the Trex... But I've heard good things about them. If ya posted that question on whether there good or not, in the Esky forum, you would hear the same... For the price, you get a lot of heli... I'am choosing the HBK2 for my next, as the size is a little smaller for my yard, but still belt driven.

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RE: Struggling with Single Rotor basics - 1/4/2008 1:02:04 AM   
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xyster101,

I watched both of your videos, enjoyed both, loved the bug one. I just wanted to pass this on to ya, I notice that with the Walkera video, that your are having some "tail bob" going on. The two most likely causes are a bent spindle/feathering shaft or your blade grips are to tight.

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RE: Struggling with Single Rotor basics - 1/5/2008 11:29:57 PM   
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Hi.

I'm new to this hobby, and as fresh as you get'em.

My first heli was the CX2, and it didn't last long before I rushed to the www to get some
more info on how the heck this works ;-) this is now two months ago.
After a few minutes I stumbled over Soloboss's very informative and very well written and explained
setup guide to the CX2. I have to thank you for putting that up. Thank you

Also it didn't last long before I started buying upgrades fore my "new love" either.
Yes, I see that it's not necessarily a wise thing to do, and in a lot of ways have the opposite effect than intended.
But who cares, this is so fun, and my cards are all dancing in my wallet..
(Paypal even sent me a Christmas card this year, and hoped for a good relationship for 2008 as well)

Now, of course I have taken the step a lot faster than whats sensible, but I got myself a Walkera 4#1 FP as a Christmas gift
"to dad from Santa..." (works every time, the "better half" is so exited about her own presents, she hardly notice )
I don't even master the CX2 fully, so it's plain stupid, but I had to have it... I'm sure you all know the itch..

How hard is it to understand this heli without any guidance... very.
I see these videos put up by you guys, and I am very impressed by the skills and how fast you master to hover them in your living room and gardens. J-Michael it's inspiring to see how you fly between fences and trees.. makes me wanna go down in my garage and do yet another "half-a-pack of battery before i spread the heli all over the place

As I have gathered from reading this tremendous thread for the last couple of days, setup is everything.
I follow with great interest solos posts, and have to say that the support from the rest of you are really warm and up cheering, when
a man is about to crack from frustration (at least thats what i imagine he's about to do sometimes. I know I do).

Now, since this thread is all about the FP, and how to get a good and stable flight, I am a little surprised that none of you have
posted this link I'm about to post (as fare as I have seen). Maybe you have all seen it, and I'm making a total a$$ of myself here,
but if not, this have been useful to me at least. Hopefully this is of some value to you as well, and to Soloboss in particular, since
you have given (probably) a lot of fresh CX2 owners a proper guideline trough their frustrations.
So I hope to contribute with something useful to this thread.
It's made on the basis of a Honey Bee FP, but I believe it's about the same issues.
And a lot of it are covered here already... well, enough excuses, here it is:

http://www.eflightwiki.com/eflightwiki/index.php?title=HoneyBeeFP

Best,
Morten, Norway.


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RE: Struggling with Single Rotor basics - 1/6/2008 12:04:32 AM   
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That is an excellent post about the HB!! Good read. I already wore out one tail motor. Very odd when it happens. I was close to the ground when it happened. Heli just spun around about 10 times as I lowered it. I am able to land on my coffee table now!

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RE: Struggling with Single Rotor basics - 1/6/2008 1:13:22 AM   
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Mortocaster,
You are very welcome for the CX setup guide. To create that guide was a labor of of love. These little helis are a wonder. Every time a new guy posts a thank-you note I know that the time taken was well spent.
In return, thank you for the FP link. I'll spend some time and go over that information.
When a new flier stops at this forum for a chat, I always note where he is from. Oslo, Norway. Fantastic. These little helicopters bring like-thinking people together from all over the world. Truly Excellent!

You may have noticed that I make no mention of alloy upgrades in the paper. That's not because I'm not a believer in the upgrades. Upgrades have different requirements for different people. At one time, I would do anything to save 2 grams weight. Then I wanted more power. Then a different look. Now I have the full Xtreme Sport Performance package and the look is great - for me. See photo. Others need to have as much alloy as possible. As you upgrade, think about what each part is supposed to provide, ask other's opinions of the part, then spend wisely. Upgrade one part at a time so you know the effect of each part and the interactions of parts. And don't forget to have fun.

And about the Walkera and it's siblings. Great fun and a great challenge. Again there are so many variables and I am still learning. My reflexes aren't what I want them to be. Today I realized that I do need to apply white marking so the paddle tops so I can readily see the plate. As long as I fly the plate, I fly level. Adjustments to compensate for the air movements are getting more controlled. I'll get this. Several of us are looking toward our next heli already and there is ongoing discussion about what to get.
For now, my Falcon 40 is my primary subject of discussion. I have the Super Skids on it and I fly using NiMH 9.6 volt Blade CP battery packs. Those packs are easy to come by - many fliers with a Blade CP will give them away if you pay the postage. Motors (main and tail) from the Blade CP are a perfect fit and work very well with the larger power packs and are very good for use in a trainer. Not like brushless, but good to learn to fly.I find them hugely energetic, they charge quickly and they aren't fussy like LiPO packs. I have LiPO packs for when I can actually fly this thing. And one day I will fly it. The rampage is over, and I'm back in learning mode.

Welcome to the Collective. When you are here, you are among friends.
We are all students.
We are all teachers.
We are the Collective.
You will be assimilated.

Soloboss




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RE: Struggling with Single Rotor basics - 1/6/2008 4:10:15 PM   
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another cause for fp death wobble (read the wiki) is a fragged but not totally broken off bearing pin in the rotor head, or not having the bearing in there lol - still don't have a clue where that bearing went, just wasn't in there - flight was bag of cats at lift-off with instant death wobble - also can happen with only 2 o-ring dampers in a cp head instead of 4 (don't know where they went either, just weren't in there at repair time - i can see how the fp's bearing could come out cause they are outside, but the o-rings are inside the head on the feathering shaft and held in with the grips) - i suspect the helicopter gremlins stole them

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RE: Struggling with Single Rotor basics - 1/6/2008 4:49:53 PM   
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If you have an infestation of helicopter gremlins, you need an exterminator. I thought that my gremlins would fall off the heli with my lousy piloting skills (Lousy skills - there's an oxymoron). Seems they have a good grip on the blades. I've not had a bad enough crash to dislodge them from my heli.

And I did check. I have all my bearings and my bits are properly pinned. At this juncture I am solely to blame for the wild heli excursions.

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RE: Struggling with Single Rotor basics - 1/6/2008 5:37:41 PM   
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xyster, so you are landing on the coffee table now. Very nice, I'm coming down for lessons, I still have no control over my #4, I do know now that it is pilot vs. the machine. I'm gonna win come hell or high water.

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RE: Struggling with Single Rotor basics - 1/6/2008 5:52:26 PM   
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Me too, Stump3r. My nephew has a plastic helicopter with wheels and a friction motor. Ya push it on the coffee table and let go and it rolls along and lights flash and the rotor goes around. I caught on to that one pretty quickly. I seldom drive off the coffee table after only 90 minutes practice. Blades aren't replaceable, but the whole helicopter is only a buck. I think I found my niche. I'm selling the RC version.

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RE: Struggling with Single Rotor basics - 1/6/2008 6:28:49 PM   
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Well after trying to fly this morning I'm thinking you better send me one of those too Solo. Chewed up another rotor core, going to try to Goldslinger the broken one as I'm on my last one. I'm going to rebuild the entire top end. I have a hell of a wobble, not sure if it's a bent shaft or what the hell. I have more coming so it's not an issue. I'm really really getting tired of not being able to fly this damn thing. I can hover it in the sim but no luck in real life. Maybe it's time to look into something else for a hobby. Anybody know anything about basket weaving?

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