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RE: ... - 7/2/2008 12:16:56 PM

soloboss

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RMG2>> I wondered how you get along with the dark red. I know that red is a "Safety Color" but for me, red at any distance is just a dark color. I do blues and as you said, the fluorescents (Hey, I spelled that correctly the first time!). My Belt is white, but I haven't done any distance flying so that is still TBD.
Sounds like you had the dream morning as an electric flyer. Nice work. When I get 1/4 of the way to where you are, I'll be satisfied. Too many hobbies lowers the expectations of each. I either need to accept that or focus more tightly on a smaller target. At any rate, good work!

Wolfpackin>> The kids will never forget you - good or bad. Prepare yourself for the inevitable.

XYSTER101>> Oh c'mon. The FP's aren't that bad after some mods. The mod list is short, now that it's sorted out and done correctly it's a nice little helicopter. OK, so it's a little spazzy. And it's tough to hold altitude. And the CP machine . . . never mind. The CP machines really are that much better. I rest my case - or your case, as it is.

UTM>> Since the mod list is complete, I can't imagine that a flier would leave his FP alone. With the mods it takes the whole training thing to a higher level. I'll post where I am with mine in a separate post. And I'll put a little video up with the sound of the woodies. Very cool for a little helicopter.

I'm actually starting to run batteries through the Falcon again. The Belt CP is overseeing the whole affair from atop it's perch. It's time is coming.
If I'd quit starting over and just get on with this, I'd be out flying - but where would the challenge be in that? Gotta do it the hard way so I don't get tossed off the "Struggling" thread!

Good day to all!

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RE: ... - 7/2/2008 1:33:08 PM

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You will never be tossed off the struggle list. I feel I don't deserve to be here, but then I crash and oh crash and keep coming back. Then I fix her and "dang" crash again. I probably crashed the FP bird around 100+ times, some quiet entertaining and I know I spent around $250 in parts on that, not counting batteries. I think the best one was the FFF into the backboard in the gym which then proceeded to bounce off the floor on it's side destroying the blades and frame. A brilliant landing if I do say so.
It is fun to see the progression we have made, here I am back in January trying to hover the FP inside, gets good after the first minute.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjToO8jAahI

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RE: ... - 7/2/2008 1:51:17 PM

UTM

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Mark - I agree the Fp is not too bad after some pretty basic mods and a good setup. I would liken mine to a 6th grader on crack instead of a first grader.

It still wants to go it's own way but I can stabilize it fairly easily and it will float for a couple of seconds without inputs. I'm excited to catch your vid and mod list. I'm sure that the woodies do sound pretty cool. I can say the M24's sound much different than the stockers or the high lift century blades I tried back in the begining. They didn't last long

I also need to get some vid up of the new and improved falcon. It really is flying like a top right now and on the CX2 controller no less. The only thing about that Tx is that there is no revo mix built into it so pushing higher throttle stick will cause the heli to spin CW a little. No real issues with correcting it on the sticks. Glad to hear that you are once again in the air with the falcon.

Max - It is tough to find the time for my helis sometimes. I mostly am relegated to working on them or flying after the kids are in bed. I make a bit of time most afternoons during the weekend as well. Some nights I cannot fly due to repairs but so it goes.

Had the oppertunity to fly out of doors yesterday evening. Had a meeting that ran a bit shorter than expected so I took the oppertunity as the wind was at 5mph or less. It really was my best outside flight to date. I was able to get her up and in control doing fast back and forth passes. I skipped on the stall turns because they typically get me into trouble and just banked it into and out of the turn arounds. I for the first time felt like I was absolutly in control. Well all of this silver lining talk and the end result of my flight was the same as always. CRASH! I banked it a little hard and the heli started coming at me so I banked it away and over corrected it a bit and side down into the grass.

WA WA WA! Broken frame. I had one in my box so I rebuilt it and back up by last night. I do feel like it was a good effort and I am feeling like I am almost there. The nose-in practice I have been doing is going a long way to making me feel more confident outside. Time will tell.

Have a good day all.

Uri

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RE: ... - 7/2/2008 2:08:05 PM

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Hey Max, You've earned your place here on this thread. I wouldn't worry a lot about getting tossed. And when you reach the point where you are the PRO, then you become the teacher and you still have a place here. Seems you are stuck with us.

You asked about my coming to terms with the CP. We're buddies, but the current state of the economy has my job tanked. Prudence would have me leave the big bird on the shelf. My feelings for the CP are that its really excellent. Maybe a metal head would improve response but the Belt uses metal balls for all of the link connections. It's tight I noticed that some of the metal upgrades still use plastic links in the critical locations to protect the expensive metal bits. Since I fly upright that's OK. Others would want a full metal head. Anyhow, The sound of the blades as they rip the air and the control of the tail is something you have to experience to appreciate. CP's are great - when the flier is ready. I'm in no particular hurry to get proficient at CP, so I'm just enjoying the ride as I work through the mods.

But I did mess with the Falcon a bit. And I shot some video of it working in the garage. The hover is very stable with the blades tight but I'm running them really loose at the moment. I haven't quite figured out how to get a really good blade balance, or maybe my shaft is tweaked. Anyhow, something is outa whack. So I loosened the blades and they cone a bit due to the loose screws. After the video is done uploading I'll tear into the Falcon and get it all true again.
Man the video on Vimeo uploads slowly. I have a 250mb file going up at 45kb/s. Another hour and 22 minutes and it'll be done. I need to post much smaller video. Next time. The video is supposed to be far better and we'll see if it's worth the slower upload.

Anyhow, for those following this, this is what you're watching. Falcon 40 with Slo Max motor, Xtreme 8° woodies, 900 mah 20c LiPO, Blade CP tail motor, Super Skids. Flight weight is 343 grams.
I'll edit this with the location of the video when it's up. Or go to vimeo.com and use the tags Falcon 40 and Soloboss.
Another hour and 22 minutes and it'll be up unless my DSL hook decouples.

Soloboss

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RE: ... - 7/2/2008 4:20:00 PM

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Crashing is just part of the game! I've crashed so many times, that I just don't care if another one comes my way. On the upside to those crashes, I can now do flips and aggressive turns. So, I too am always going to be "Struggling with Single Rotor basics."

Have fun and blue skies!

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RE: ... - 7/2/2008 5:37:06 PM

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Right now I'm Struggling with my DSL connection. I must have something loose somewhere. The phone is perfect and it's all on the same line. I'm confused. DSL is really picky so it may in an attic connection. The freeze / thaw / bake cycle may have untorqued a screw. I love my attic.

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RE: ... - 7/2/2008 7:03:56 PM

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Solo,
I put the movies into windows movie maker, then just do a "Save Movie File" it will take a 250 meg file and compress it down to average of 20-40 megs which will take a lot less time to load. You do loose some quality, but not enough that people will notice. Just a thought. None of my Youtube videos are over 50 megs.
I hear you with the poor economy, people at work complain that we are on a "pay freeze" due to the school budget getting voted down and money is tight at work. I say shut it! You have a job, it might not pay great, but you can pay the bills, have a family AND when you teach you get lots of time off to work another job if you want or take care of your kids.

Uri,
I don't know your name, what is it? Don't feel discouraged with crashing the FP. Sounds like it was a rough one if the frame broke. When I fly the FP I crash about 10 times as much as I do with the CP. It is just easier to get the FP above it's abilities and not be able to recover just due to the design. About one in 3 batteries I crash on the FP and about 1 in 20 batteries on the CP. Sounds like you have the right idea with doing maneuvers with less stall turns. I always crash stall turns on the FP. I tend to over rotate it and not be able to get it back.

Kenn,
You are giving me a run for my crashes here. I honestly think you have crashed a lot more then I have with the CP. I remember when you first got it, you ditched it good into something instead of waiting for your FP machine to arrive in the mail! Sounds like you are at the same level I am currently. Post some more pictures or a digital camera video for us to enjoy!

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RE: ... - 7/2/2008 8:03:04 PM

UTM

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quote:

Uri,
I don't know your name, what is it? Don't feel discouraged with crashing the FP. Sounds like it was a rough one if the frame broke. When I fly the FP I crash about 10 times as much as I do with the CP. It is just easier to get the FP above it's abilities and not be able to recover just due to the design. About one in 3 batteries I crash on the FP and about 1 in 20 batteries on the CP. Sounds like you have the right idea with doing maneuvers with less stall turns. I always crash stall turns on the FP. I tend to over rotate it and not be able to get it back.

Uri T. Mullins - Thus the UTM. Not overly creative I know but it's always the same at every site, that way I don't forget.

The rest of what you posted here is about what I experience. I end up getting into a turn that is so steep I can't recover the Falcon. Knife edge flying = FP crash.

I'm getting there....slowly. I do get a little frustrated from time to time but all in all I really enjoy the challenge. The crash yesterday didn't seem overly bad but it did go left side down into the grass pretty hard. Oddly enough there was absolutly no other damage other than the frame break. Broke right at the skinny part under the elevator servo. I reinforce my frames right there too. My little 90° bracket was still glued in place but seperated at the bottom. I was a little bummed though since the flight went so well up to that point. It was literally the only time I lost control. I was even able to keep a good altitude which has been an issue in my outdoor flying. Over all a success in my book. I'd love to get at it again but today we have 30mph wind all day. My Falcon would probably end up in Mark's backyard if I even took it outside today.

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RE: ... - 7/2/2008 9:32:14 PM

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I have a spare frame, Uri. I could make it 'Whole" again. Go ahead and put a bandaid on it, then take it to 10,000 ft. I'll catch it on the way past. What crystal are you running? I should be able to connect as it goes over!
LOL

Solo

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RE: ... - 7/2/2008 9:59:56 PM

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Max,
I was trying to save the movie as a project. That didn't work. I saved it to the computer with no changes and that worked fine. Thank you for the push to get it done that way. My 250 mb file became 13 mb. I put it on Vimeo just to see what it looks like. Vimeo is backed up right now, so in about tow hours I'll post the video and we'll see how that works.

Solo

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RE: ... - 7/2/2008 11:57:38 PM

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There we go. A genuine Vimeo movio. Of my helio. In my garagio.
Solo's li'l helicopter

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RE: ... - 7/3/2008 12:17:19 AM