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RE: Struggling with Single Rotor basics - 1/21/2008 10:42:56 PM   
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I did not know I was required to make videos! Anyway I have been able to hover in, but it is like starting all over again. The gym at my work is used for basketball after school everyday, so finding a large open area is tough. When I did grades the other day the students were not in, so I ran a pack through her just fine. Then put the 11.1v battery in, it was too much. That tail motor was working like a dog and got really hot. Lots of power, but too much. Then I put a CX battery in and landed on the rotors. Broke the flybar again and the little plastic piece it goes in. Just moved this weekend, had semester grades to complete, and I have a new batch of students starting Tuesday so I am making lessons like crazy. Been a busy week and I am still living out of boxes. I will get her working again this week and see about a video or two. The CX is TBE'n also, no idea why. sigh

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RE: Struggling with Single Rotor basics - 1/21/2008 11:26:19 PM   
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I have gotten a couple of responses to my "Plan" (written in pencil for now). And mostly the responders agree that my plan is logical. Everyone has a little variation, but to me it seems like a good enough plan. It's budget minded, I'll have an indoor heli and a good outdoor heli too.

SO I'll end up with a good Tx (DX6i), a nice indoor flier (Falcon 40) with furniture friendly plastic blades. And a good outdoor flier (Belt CP or HBK2). There are good prices for ARF HBK2 helis, but I don't know yet if ARF + buy all of the electrics is a better deal than a $180 RTF HBK2 brushless. Gotta think on that one.

Seems logical to me. Still thinking, but starting with the RADIO gear is always the right thing to do. But I wanna new helicopter, not just a radio. Impetuous little mind of mine.

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RE: Struggling with Single Rotor basics - 1/23/2008 12:49:55 AM   
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howdy, everybody

back home again for a few days and got to fly the hbk2 inside a bit - such a joy to even hover a larger heli since i've been stuck with the tiny 4#3 in the hotel room - still, its something to fly - been working on the new head design and it seems to work ok in small scale on the 4#3, and it gets rid of the flybar without being too ruthless and twitchy - i'll put out the detail once the bugs are ironed out, right now its in pencil like solo's plan, which i like - the dx7 made all the difference in the world, but it add a whole new set of variables you have to take into consideration

take care and keep flying,

edge

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RE: Struggling with Single Rotor basics - 1/28/2008 3:32:13 AM   
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Edge, I dont know how you hover that tiny mosquite thing! Show us a pic of it or a video.

I have been really busy the past 2 weeks (moved, new semester with new students, new curriculm to write) and I finally had the chance to fly again. I have to start over. This is the first battery pack on the unoccupied/uncompleted side of the duplex I moved into. I am not proud of these two but people have been asking for progress videos.
The lands on both were amazing. Especially that last one. Nothing broke, just mis aligned one of the fly bar paddles. This was the first battery in over 2 weeks.
The second batter went much better. I actually flew outside and went up about 25 feet or so. Only had to land once, she sure can move fast once the heli tipped a bit.

Video inside (first battery), got confused with the nose in at the very end, UGLY:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjToO8jAahI

Max

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RE: Struggling with Single Rotor basics - 1/28/2008 5:01:00 PM   
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i hereby promise you a new 4#3 video, hopefully without a crash at the end this time

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RE: Struggling with Single Rotor basics - 1/28/2008 6:46:52 PM   
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I should have my first single rotor in my hands by mid-week. I hope I do not have to add to this thread after my first attempts with the new HBFP

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RE: Struggling with Single Rotor basics - 1/31/2008 12:45:10 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: RMG2

I should have my first single rotor in my hands by mid-week. I hope I do not have to add to this thread after my first attempts with the new HBFP



It's here, now what (big gulp)

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RE: Struggling with Single Rotor basics - 1/31/2008 1:48:53 AM   
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RMG welcome to the single rotor FP club. Nothing better than that new helicopter smell

Where to start. Holy cow, well charge the battery but you can fly your stock eflite batteries in her, just a bit of a pain getting your COG correct without having super skids. You might have some fun getting the lipo as far out on the nose as you can.
First thing is ensure your at zero pitch on the flybar paddles, balance your main and tail blades. Hmmm been a long day, can't think of anything more than that. Time to try for the elusive hover! Make sure your in a big space and just hover Remember don't get discouraged if you can't hover her out of the box. Everything you know about flying a heli just changed in a big way! When flying this guy your stick adjustments will be small inputs and always return to center, constant small adjustments. Remember when she lifts off she is going to go left on you, for lack of better terms you have to catch it and then maintain the hover. Don't hold your inputs like you do with the CX2 she will get real squirrelly real fast. Just remember cut the throttle when you get into trouble, and....we are here to help.

Have fun!!!! We will be wanting progress reports now!

Edit...Soloboss just wrote this on another thread and it fits perfect for setup here... starts off with what I touched on above with the heli wanting to go left on lift off.....
quote:

The rotor pushes left because the heli wants to spin right. On ice, the tail rotor will push the heli across the pond just trying to keep the tail from rotating. In the air, looking from behind, the heli does not fly level. It leans right to counter the other forces. Trim your heli so when you let go of the sticks, the heli does not travel sideways out of control. Neutral stick must be neutral flight input. The heli will not hover unaided, but the trim should be set so neutral stick allows the heli to 'rest' with minimal wander. Once I got mine trimmed that way, I actually started to hover it!

Big Happy,
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RE: Struggling with Single Rotor basics - 1/31/2008 2:04:43 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: stump3r

RMG welcome to the single rotor FP club. Nothing better than that new helicopter smell

Where to start. Holy cow, well charge the battery but you can fly your stock eflite batteries in her, just a bit of a pain getting your COG correct without having super skids. You might have some fun getting the lipo as far out on the nose as you can.
First thing is ensure your at zero pitch on the flybar paddles, balance your main and tail blades. Hmmm been a long day, can't think of anything more than that. Time to try for the elusive hover! Make sure your in a big space and just hover Remember don't get discouraged if you can't hover her out of the box. Everything you know about flying a heli just changed in a big way! When flying this guy your stick adjustments will be small inputs and always return to center, constant small adjustments. Remember when she lifts off she is going to go left on you, for lack of better terms you have to catch it and then maintain the hover. Don't hold your inputs like you do with the CX2 she will get real squirrelly real fast. Just remember cut the throttle when you get into trouble, and....we are here to help.

Have fun!!!! We will be wanting progress reports now!

Edit...Soloboss just wrote this on another thread and it fits perfect for setup here... starts off with what I touched on above with the heli wanting to go left on lift off.....
quote:

The rotor pushes left because the heli wants to spin right. On ice, the tail rotor will push the heli across the pond just trying to keep the tail from rotating. In the air, looking from behind, the heli does not fly level. It leans right to counter the other forces. Trim your heli so when you let go of the sticks, the heli does not travel sideways out of control. Neutral stick must be neutral flight input. The heli will not hover unaided, but the trim should be set so neutral stick allows the heli to 'rest' with minimal wander. Once I got mine trimmed that way, I actually started to hover it!

Big Happy,
Soloboss



My "now what" comment was meant as a bit of sarcasm, but I do truly appreciate your help except now I really am scared

Seriously, I have been following you and Solosboss' threads and do take what you say to heart. I will check out setup, balance, etc. before I ever plug the battery into the heli I will definitetly keep you guys posted good or bad reports, my ego can handle it

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RE: Struggling with Single Rotor basics - 1/31/2008 3:22:41 AM   
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Congrats on the honeybee, I have a #4. The Manuel sucked with mine so PM me if you have specific Q's about her. Charge the battery for about 80 minutes. The last 20 just put your hand on it every 5 minutes. Once she is hot (little hotter then your shower) unplug it. If you let it cool for a while you can put it back on for about 15 min before you fly and that will give you an extra minute or two.
When people say they fly left, it goes left! I was frustrated the first few times I tried to lift off a few inches because it would run to the left. The CX does not do this. Once you are up around 2 feet it will hover better. Start on a flat smooth surface like a gym floor, cement floor, hardwood, or asphalt. Grass will just catch the skids and tip her. Mine flew pretty good out of the box. The CX batteries do work, but like RGM said, put them out in front of the radio, maybe take the canopy off, mount it with velcro and replace the canopy.
Put a drop of oil on the tail bearings and another piece of fuel line over the one on there to keep it in place. I lost my rubber thing on a crash.
Those skids suck and will break easily. Get super skids if you have the cash. They are more then skids, they replace the whole bottom of the heli. For now make an X with CF rod across the bottom and use fuel line to hold it in place. It will help with hard landings.
I also bought a pitch gauge for $12 from the LHS, great investment.
Buy the Align blade balancer from ushobbysupply for $4 to help balance them.
List of spare parts to get from Mike:
main blades
tail blades
tail motor
rotor ring
head
main blade clamp
skids or supers
flybars
paddles
random bag of screws (you will loose stuff)

Have fun and tell us how things go!

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RE: Struggling with Single Rotor basics - 1/31/2008 5:25:35 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: xyster101

Congrats on the honeybee, I have a #4. The Manuel sucked with mine so PM me if you have specific Q's about her. Charge the battery for about 80 minutes. The last 20 just put your hand on it every 5 minutes. Once she is hot (little hotter then your shower) unplug it. If you let it cool for a while you can put it back on for about 15 min before you fly and that will give you an extra minute or two.
When people say they fly left, it goes left! I was frustrated the first few times I tried to lift off a few inches because it would run to the left. The CX does not do this. Once you are up around 2 feet it will hover better. Start on a flat smooth surface like a gym floor, cement floor, hardwood, or asphalt. Grass will just catch the skids and tip her. Mine flew pretty good out of the box. The CX batteries do work, but like RGM said, put them out in front of the radio, maybe take the canopy off, mount it with velcro and replace the canopy.
Put a drop of oil on the tail bearings and another piece of fuel line over the one on there to keep it in place. I lost my rubber thing on a crash.
Those skids suck and will break easily. Get super skids if you have the cash. They are more then skids, they replace the whole bottom of the heli. For now make an X with CF rod across the bottom and use fuel line to hold it in place. It will help with hard landings.
I also bought a pitch gauge for $12 from the LHS, great investment.
Buy the Align blade balancer from ushobbysupply for $4 to help balance them.
List of spare parts to get from Mike:
main blades
tail blades
tail motor
rotor ring
head
main blade clamp
skids or supers
flybars
paddles
random bag of screws (you will loose stuff)

Have fun and tell us how things go!


Xyster101, thanks for the help offer, I appreciate that and may well take you up on that offer as things progress, or regress

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