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RE: ... - 7/23/2008 10:35:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks guys! I can't wait to get the HBKII. I've heard lots of good things about it. I also can't wait to make it do a couple of loops. I guess I can use it as a test heli before I try it on the B400. I agree with you Uri, I should have enough helis to sustain a couple of crashes. The only thing is that I now have to stock different parts for different helis.

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RE: ... - 7/23/2008 10:49:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		can anone give me some ideas on setting for the blade 400 for a beginner i started flying with a cx2 about a year ago and this thing is just wild compaird to it so if anyone has somthing im getting really sick of fighting it please dont say buy a tret 450 cannt afford it right now

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RE: ... - 7/23/2008 11:04:51 PM   
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Status: online 		When you say fighting it, what is happening? Keep in mind that this heli will be nowhere as stable as your CX due to the single main rotor - it will constantly need minor corrections...


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RE: ... - 7/24/2008 12:18:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		I set a new personal record today! Two bad crashes in the same day, and inside only 4-packs! Thank goodness it was only the FP and not my CP!

First high speed crash flying back toward myself and stuck it in the ground at the park Second medium speed crash into the cedar fence in the back yard while practicing nose-in and letting it get away from me

I've had a total of 22-mins flying today and about 4-hours repair time

No sulking here, as my crashes are because I am flying better overall and taking more risk to get to the next level so all is good


Damage report:

2-tail booms

2-motor fuses

1-skid leg

1-fly bar

1-fly bar control frame

1-center shaft

1-rotor head

1-ring-like pushrod

1-rear tail protector "stick"

1-canopy "stick" that the rubber grommets fit over

1-canopy

I am out of stock tail booms and now cutting my own from 36" length tubing. I decide to add 3/4" length to the one I just put on the FP to see how it affects tail authority???

Anybody else have my luck today, or am I the only lucky one


EDIT: Back out to the back yard after writing this post to check-out the second rebuild and when I spooled-up I realized the center shaft was bent also. I replaced the shaft and back to the yard where she checked-out perfectly. I like the longer tail boom! The tail is holding better than ever!

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RE: ... - 7/24/2008 12:55:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		RMG, OUCH!!! As far as I'm concerned, I didn't have any of your luck today. I'm glad to hear you are making progress though.

I started on the HDX today. I removed the bling bling aluminum CP head, swash, main shaft and gear, man is there a ton of moving parts in that assembly. I removed the head, swash, main shaft and gear from the Falcon Beast and installed it into the HDX frame. I encountered the first snag today, the main shaft from the Falcon needs to be about 1/8" longer to reach all the through the main shaft housing, belt drive gear and main gear. Good thing I ordered an extra HDX main shaft from Michael, when it gets here all I will have to do is grind a flat on the top end and drill a hole for the pin in the Falcon 40 rotor core and I will be golden.

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RE: ... - 7/24/2008 4:51:18 AM   
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can anone give me some ideas on setting for the blade 400 for a beginner i started flying with a cx2 about a year ago and this thing is just wild compaird to it so if anyone has somthing im getting really sick of fighting it please dont say buy a tret 450 cannt afford it right now


Memphissound,
The Single Rotor helos are a completely different animal than the little CX2 which is very stable and tame helicopter. Most of us on this thread started with the CX2 and have since moved up like you have. I now have 3 Trex 450s but am using the same radio as the B400 and the best advice I can give you is to make sure your helo is set up properly mechanically, ie swashplate level, pitch should be at 0 Degrees at mid stick in Idle up(ensure you have two wires disconnected on your motor before checking! ) etc.
Going into the programing on your radio set your starting pitch to 40-45 degrees this will limit your - Pitch, set your dual rates on your cyclic to about 60-65% with about +25 Expo this will limit servo throw and make it less sensitive to inputs, making sure your CG is correct try hovering with your dual rates on. Make sure your Gyro is properly holding the tail and adjust as necessary.
Feel free to bounce any questions off the collective here we were all in your shoes starting out. The Blade 400 is a fine helo to learn on so no one is going to tell you to just get a Trex! They are both similiar Helocopters and they all fly the same. Brand is just a matter of personal preference and affordability. Welcome to the thread! Gene

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RE: ... - 7/24/2008 3:22:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ouch Randy! At least you are making progress. I can say with certainty that I love the longer tail. I went with the CPP stock tail and it's a full 12" (falcon stock tail 10.5" Makes CG a bit challenging but with the great big batteries I use a little shift forward and I'm all good. When I made the change I could see a noticable RPM reduction in the tail rotor. So I agree with you on this one. It's a really great and inexpensive mod. Glad it was the FP and not the titan you were crashing. You'd be more like 22 min flight 12 hours repair

Chuck - Sound's like a good start on the HDX. Keep us posted with pics and the like.

Well I've only been doing a pack a day or so here of late. I am just so spoiled on a better motor and M24 blades. It's a wonder I was even able to learn with stock blades and motor. It's just all over the place and constant inputs to keep it up. With the higher HS of the motor/M24 combo I can actually hands off for 3-5 seconds at a time. If I wasn't on it for 5 seconds with the current setup I'd be into something for sure. Can't wait to get a new motor in her. I've got a slo-max on the way and Michael is going to send me a replacment Xtreme 380 to try again. One way or the other I should be back to full power soon.


Have a great day everyone!

Uri



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RE: ... - 7/24/2008 3:45:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Uri, 3-5 second hands off hovers with a Falcon is amazing. I'm glad to hear it. I hope you get the main motor situation straightened out soon, I know how frustrating that can be, been there done that.

I'm having a blast with the HDX. I enjoy tinkering and figuring out the little snags that come up during a modification project, and to be honest with you, I'm much better at working on and modifying them than I am at flying them. I'll have some pics of the mod as soon as I get my next shipment of parts. I don't really have anything to take pics of yet.

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RE: ... - 7/24/2008 5:15:04 PM   
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Ouch Randy! At least you are making progress. I can say with certainty that I love the longer tail. I went with the CPP stock tail and it's a full 12" (falcon stock tail 10.5" Makes CG a bit challenging but with the great big batteries I use a little shift forward and I'm all good. When I made the change I could see a noticable RPM reduction in the tail rotor. So I agree with you on this one. It's a really great and inexpensive mod. Glad it was the FP and not the titan you were crashing. You'd be more like 22 min flight 12 hours repair

Chuck - Sound's like a good start on the HDX. Keep us posted with pics and the like.

Well I've only been doing a pack a day or so here of late. I am just so spoiled on a better motor and M24 blades. It's a wonder I was even able to learn with stock blades and motor. It's just all over the place and constant inputs to keep it up. With the higher HS of the motor/M24 combo I can actually hands off for 3-5 seconds at a time. If I wasn't on it for 5 seconds with the current setup I'd be into something for sure. Can't wait to get a new motor in her. I've got a slo-max on the way and Michael is going to send me a replacment Xtreme 380 to try again. One way or the other I should be back to full power soon.


Have a great day everyone!

Uri





Uli, Since you are getting another Slo-Max and another Xtreme it will be interesting to hear your side-by-side comparison of the two??? If ya can, run one motor and then the other on the same day.

My FP's tail boom is now 12.5" long. I'm tired of messing with the wires in the center of the tube, now i'm running them twisted and straped on the left side (opposite blade strike) of the boom.

No, there's nothing wrong with the head, it's the "fisheye" look from my ancient digi. camera

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RE: ... - 7/24/2008 5:29:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		RMG, looking good buddy! How do you like the head stiffener? I've been thinking about making one for the Falcon Beast. Can you tell a difference with it?

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RE: ... - 7/24/2008 6:14:35 PM   
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RMG, looking good buddy! How do you like the head stiffener? I've been thinking about making one for the Falcon Beast. Can you tell a difference with it?


Bones, once I started making mods. for outdoor FFF to the FP I built the stiffener and have never flown without it so I don't have a comparison???

The FP is a great trainer for single rotor which is why I started with it as my first single rotor. Without the FP my Mini Titan would have sustained many crashes trying to learn single rotor.

Speaking of flying, I'm out the door

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RE: ... - 7/24/2008 6:51:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Looking good Randy. I too run wires outside the boom. For me it's because I only had 24g wire when I lengthened my boom. Both wires won't fit into the boom. I run the + wire inside and have the - wire outside. I wound mine around the length of the boom taking care to keep everything clear at the blade strike range. I haven't noticed any problems and have been running it that way for some time now. i'm used to my long boom now but when I first put it in I thought the Falcon looked so gangly and lanky. It does increase preformance though. I will be glad to run the slo-max and 380 back to back. I can tell you that I was running the slo-max with a 10t pinion and it was lifting at around 60% stick. Without changing anything but the motor I ran the 380 with a 9t and it was lifting at 50% stick. I think the next time I put in the 380 I will be going with an 8t. Slo-max is perfect with 10.

Happy flying

Uri

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RE: ... - 7/24/2008 7:53:42 PM   
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