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RE: Is the AMA forum a battleground? - 12/31/2007 4:38:13 AM   
littlecrankshaf



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Status: offline 		Hmmm… IMO the reason this forum is so very contentious can be summed up in one word…SUBJECTIVITY… Some of us are convinced the hobby/sport/whatever owes it’s existence to the AMA and therefore the AMA is the divine authority and officiate of this activity/pastime we so endearingly call a hobby while some of us are equally convinced the AMA owes it’s existence to the hobby/sport/whatever and only exists to fulfill the needs of the so-called hobby and also believe that the hobby would continue just fine without the AMA. Guess what??? The latter is closer to the truth but of course a mid point on the spectrum is where the truth exists.

Now, with all that being said, the problem (SUBJECTIVITY) is exacerbated by those with the “since I had to…so should you” and/or the “we need someone to validate and oversee us” mindsets that is so prevalent in human nature.

A few of us truly seem to understand that the hobby (maybe a more refined grade) would continue without the AMA but also clearly understands that AMA is a excellent tool that should be used with great care as any other sharp implement should be used. For us to utilize the AMA to the extent that paths cleared by the AMA only for AMA’s viability would be a great blunder and would most certainly be the means to the end of the AMA, as well as severely impacting our hobby as we have come to know it.

I am not sure about you guys but I will continue to be an aero modeler with or with out the AMA. I just choose to utilize the AMA, without regards to dues I may have paid in the past, to expand the hobby further instead of restricting or retarding it or rendering it to a common denominator not greater than myself.

Now while the soap box is on…the AMA’s attempt to garner the Park flyer at the expense of neglecting to bolster it’s directives of providing ever greater participation in the competitive experiences within existing and emerging disciplines such as Extreme aerobatics or 3D flight is IMO idiotic. The AMA will be further fragmented by this misdirected attempt while it’s own relevance continues to slip away by pursuing those (park flying only types) that do not need them/us now… and hopefully never will. We would be much better served by creating exciting new channels and competitions for the flying styles now taking the flying fields by storm.

Oh well… totalitarianism is a great dream, provisionally acquired but yet often attempted. Heil, mein AMA!


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RE: Is the AMA forum a battleground? - 12/31/2007 8:24:47 AM   
KidEpoxy



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"Over the past five years that I have been a member of RCU, I have read every post that has ever been posted in this AMA forum, and I can't remember any post that has had a direct impact or cause for improvement in the way that the AMA organization operates"

and I disagree with that premiss.
One very memorable case would be the PaintBall debate we had last year.
While the folks that get labeled all kinds of unflattering terms wouldnt go quietly into that good night, they had to put up with getting attacked for not opposing PaintBall events, they had to put up with ficticious statements from the AMA Righteous that opposed PaintBall in AMA.... and what good came of the dozens of pages of forum mud/slurs/battle? The AMA did put up clearer documents endorsing the folks the BlindFollowers held in such contempt:
We now have clear AMA Paintball rules template pdf straight from Muncie.

In that case, a multitude of times the pro-Paintballers were told to sit down & shut up,
to stop spreading hate for the ama in paintball form,
to even get out of the ama because we didnt belong,
and then it seems in the end the AMA was actually on our side the whole time,
but the BLIND part of blind allegiance fueled some folks to despise us regarless of Muncie being on our side.

Alegiance is good,
Dedicated & Unfaltering Allegiance is good (ask a Marine),
Not even the marines want Blind Allegiance, it is their duty to refuse an unlawful order.



Sure, 2007 will be the year everyone hates KidEpoxy for wanting to return to Optional MA,
just as 2006 they hated me for championing the ProPaintball arguement, but somehow they dont give me grief over that now.... oh, probably cause it turned out later that I was right. What will they come up with next to hate me over when MA returns to being optional making me right over that too? I'm not worried, I'm sure they will hate me for some other improvement I want for the AMA.

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RE: Is the AMA forum a battleground? - 12/31/2007 11:04:35 AM   
STLPilot


 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy
Sure, 2007 will be the year everyone hates KidEpoxy for wanting to return to Optional MA,
just as 2006 they hated me for championing the ProPaintball arguement, but somehow they dont give me grief over that now.... oh, probably cause it turned out later that I was right. What will they come up with next to hate me over when MA returns to being optional making me right over that too? I'm not worried, I'm sure they will hate me for some other improvement I want for the AMA.

While you may have been right about it, it was the AMA who was wrong, or rather a bit torn on their policy. However the discussion we had in regards to the paint-balling policy started right here on this forum. A month later the AMA decided to publicly post their single stance on the issue after a much conflicted posture. They also took it upon themselves to post the Corona RC paint-balling guidelines on their website. Had we never agreed to disagree on this subject the AMA would more then likely have a distorted viewpoint on the issue.

So this in fact was a direct action the AMA took in regards to our debating and discussion in the RCU unofficial AMA forums.

Oh and Kid while you might be right about this subject, you were certainly VERY wrong about Steve Kaluf. Next time try to get some better facts from more reliable sources.

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RE: Is the AMA forum a battleground? - 12/31/2007 11:51:54 AM   
Stickbuilder



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RE: Is the AMA forum a battleground? - 12/31/2007 12:48:48 PM   
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This is going to be difficult for you to comprehend; but, I agree with everything you just stated above, excepting I don't have much interest in 3D, so won't be joining you on this point. However, the rest of what you say, I agree with! How could this be, I'm someone who has just recently been called "Stupid" and in the past been called an AMA Drone, by yourself?

My point of view on the AMA hasn't ever changed. Has yours?

Could it be that people here are so interested in stuffing their opinions down other people's throats, so secure that their opinion is the only one that matters, so egotistical and myopic that the other peoples opinions are not even given a moment to be comprehended?
The battle lines seem drawn between: old vs. young, 3D vs. everyone else, park fliers vs glow, long time members vs. new mewmbers etc... will it ever end?

The really stupid thing is this is a hobby. We all have an interest in this basic, same hobby, yet, we all sit here and snipe at each other over some of the most inconsequential stuff imaginable!

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RE: Is the AMA forum a battleground? - 12/31/2007 1:40:43 PM   
kid chuckles


 

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Paintballing is fun fun fun. Try it if you have not.
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Here every weekend that is flyable this is the norm.

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RE: Is the AMA forum a battleground? - 12/31/2007 2:05:10 PM   
combatpigg



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Blind allegiance to anything is part of a CORE VALUE system that we as a nation find ourselves at war with every 20 years or so.

I hate to see it when it shows up here in any form.

There are 3 different ways you can react to this kind of criticism if you think that it applies to you. The typical reaction is what makes this forum the "battleground" that it is sometimes.
Usually nothing is ever learned.

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RE: Is the AMA forum a battleground? - 12/31/2007 5:32:41 PM   
Mode One


 

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ORIGINAL: vicman

Blind alligence to any group is wrong.

He wasn't critical of AMA. Rather the members there and in I may add in here that just pull the party ticket.

Keep your gloves on you didn't even get a decent hip check and your ready to fight. Ergo the trouble with this forum, case in point.


Who here has demonstraited any "Blind Alligence" to the AMA? The comment is inflamatory and has been used simply for this purpose! However, I need to ask how is it to we can take a few comments made by any one of us and come to the conclusion we know exactly where that person's thoughts/opinions are? Then further, to claim these thoughts and opinions are the cause of all this countries problems! Give me a break!


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RE: Is the AMA forum a battleground? - 12/31/2007 6:04:09 PM   
GAP-RCU


 

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Status: offline 		A common theme is that only a few hardcore folks visit this forum. I went back two months (since about Oct 25) and tallied up the number of thread topics started in this AMA forum. Below, we see 42 unique users started threads. Some started multiple threads (Hossfly wins that award). There are, of course, many more who simply read or post comments only in existing topics (myself).

My point is that I believe this forum is followed, used, and read much more than just by a "few." Gary



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RE: Is the AMA forum a battleground? - 12/31/2007 6:48:25 PM   
KidEpoxy



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like that bundle of joy called GasDaysRgone we had a while back.


Anyhoo, this thread is just gonna get ugly again, so I'm outta here

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RE: Is the AMA forum a battleground? - 12/31/2007 9:27:02 PM   
abel_pranger


 

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ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy

Anyhoo, this thread is just gonna get ugly again, so I'm outta here


It had ugly undertones right from the start KE. RCKen saw through it and did his thing, but then reversed course. Now I'm seeing parts of other threads disappear sans any stated or apparent reason (not all - I did get a PM re a deletion in one instance from a mod that I have heard from before, and has earned my respect) as they all too often were before Ken took over as mod here. I hope it's just incidental and not an omen....

Abel

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RE: Is the AMA forum a battleground? - 12/31/2007 10:13:55 PM   
combatpigg



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Status: online 		Well the Politbureau just censored one of my posts.
Reason: "name calling is uncalled for".
Trouble is, no names were ever mentioned. This is what is known in some circles as "getting jobbed".
Strong opinions were stated that obviously struck a nerve, much like when you go to the dentists' office.
No spins, no twists, just the ugly truth.



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RE: Is the AMA forum a battleground? - 12/31/2007 11:16:34 PM   
vicman



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RE: Is the AMA forum a battleground? - 12/31/2007 11:34:12 PM   
50%plane



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ORIGINAL: GAP-RCU

A common theme is that only a few hardcore folks visit this forum. I went back two months (since about Oct 25) and tallied up the number of thread topics started in this AMA forum. Below, we see 42 unique users started threads. Some started multiple threads (Hossfly wins that award). There are, of course, many more who simply read or post comments only in existing topics (myself).

My point is that I believe this forum is followed, used, and read much more than just by a "few." Gary



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tonywayne (1)
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warbird_1 (1)
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Cool! I'm glad to see that I'm in that list, however you could be more wrong about some being hardcore users. In fact, I only come on here when I'm bored. For everything RC related, I post on Fly!ngGiants.com.

Additionally, I won't be an AMA member in a couple hours. Hope to renew soon though......


50%


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