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RE: Blade 400 - Tips, tricks, and mods - 1/4/2008 4:28:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: maxxteezyyy

Sorry guy, wasn't tryna offend you. I just see so much bashing and this was just supposed to be a tip thread. I'm tottally against thread negativity, makes us look like kids. Oh yeah, add a couple of motor shims in between the step washer and the blade grips, makes it alot more stable and reactive.



Hey....No prob...! The one main reason why I wanted to try and help, is I don't want everyone thinking that all Trex guys have that attitude... I feel we are still on the same team. RC-Heli's !!! I love them all... It's o.k. to debate, it's going to be expected with a new heli, but I see your frustration also if I was in your shoes, and I'am sure I wouldn't be to nice either on the bashing of your new heli... Enjoy the that thing !

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RE: Blade 400 - Tips, tricks, and mods - 1/4/2008 12:28:21 PM   
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It's all good here to.
I was just expecting tips and tricks and it looked as if it was turning into another "just get a Rex thread"
I responded before reading all the threads.
Didn't mean to offend anyone.....Sorry
I am totally impressed with my Blade 400. It does fly kinda soft, but is very stable.
I moved the rudder linkage to the third hole from the inside on the sevo and run the gyro at 73%-74% and the tail holds vey well flying backwards with the stock servo.

Keep the tips coming.....

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RE: Blade 400 - Tips, tricks, and mods - 1/4/2008 1:25:31 PM   
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Hi all

I flew a CX2 for a while and thought I was ready to step up to a Blade 400. The first crash broke quite a few parts, including some that don't seem to be available yet:

EFLH1440 - Elevator Control Lever Set
EFLH1423 - Flybar Seesaw Holder Set

These are shown out of stock all over the net, can't be ordered by my LHS and show mid-Feb availability from Horizon.

The elevator control lever can probably be glued, but the flybar seesaw holder is broken right where a control link attaches. Any suggestions for a substitute seesaw holder? I'd really like to take another crack at this thing before March! Any suggestions are appreciated. Please note that I am a newb and may require detailed explainations.

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RE: Blade 400 - Tips, tricks, and mods - 1/4/2008 2:20:41 PM   
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j-michael and kevintrl: "neither one's a gaui so the blade 400 and this trex thing must not be any good"


clump, i think everybody just broke the same parts - they'll come in sooner than march - my lhs is expecting another parts shipment in a few weeks - mine's still in one piece so far, which testifies to its stability


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RE: Blade 400 - Tips, tricks, and mods - 1/4/2008 3:16:23 PM   
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call mikes hobby shop in carrollton, tx. I think I saw those parts in stock. In order to stiffen up the blade, you need to add shims to the dampening head, put true 325 blades on it, and ramp up your throttle curve. Its set pretty mild from the factory for not so skilled pilots. New servos help alot too.

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RE: Blade 400 - Tips, tricks, and mods - 1/4/2008 3:42:57 PM   
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I received a Blade 400 as a Christmas gift from my wife. My previous RC heli experience had been with a Blade CP purchased early Fall of 2006. I flew (well, emptied battery packs) that thing for about two months and kept a small journal of each and every flight (to include times, accomplishments, mishaps, repairs, goals, etc.). I had gotten to the point of hovering out a battery tail-in and side-in and was moving to nose-in before the 4-in-1 decided to go bonkers. So, I boxed it up and put it away. Now, more than a year later, the Blade 400 came in and renewed my interest in RC helis. Out of the box, I was able to comfortably hover (tail-in) as long as I wanted. I videoed this and the subsequent hovers. On my third battery charge I flew the 400 into a loaded trash bag (hovering in my garage with way too much stuff around) and now need to replace a few small items (definitely no big deal).

The reason I started with the bit of background is to illustrate that the Blade 400 is a fun and accessible heli for certain "pilots". I am DEFINITELY a beginner pilot and found that the Blade is a great match for me and should prove an able platform to grow/learn with.

As for my tip, I echo the others encouraging users to make a copy of the factory settings that ship with the DX6i. It is VERY easy to overwrite them when just goofing around with the radio. Before I knew it, my Blade 400 was a elevon-mixed fixed wing flyer! Now, I have both the Blade 400 and a YB-22 programmed correctly.

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RE: Blade 400 - Tips, tricks, and mods - 1/4/2008 3:54:16 PM   
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smackz, if you flew the cp even one pack, then you aren't a "beginner" pilot with 0 heli experience (not even a cx), which is what i was talking about


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RE: Blade 400 - Tips, tricks, and mods - 1/4/2008 6:39:11 PM   
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Well, I just bought a 400.
Looks to be a reasonable price for what it is.
I have two Pros that fly quite well and I'm building a rex and this was in the store and it just flew into my hands together with two pair of blades.
The Pro flies well but this being a little more massive and flying a larger disc should provide more stability.
I'm not a 3-D person but my Pros have fun flying around the trees at about 6 ft. off the deck....don't need much speed to have fun.
OK...question...:
What RPM should I expect at the main rotor....I see nothing in the specifications regarding operating criteria.
No, it will never be a rex so don't bash it for that...if you want to, castigate the manufacturer for not going to a 450. Bear in mind the manufacturer has the market on spares too.
Let's see what the weekend brings.

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RE: Blade 400 - Tips, tricks, and mods - 1/5/2008 8:55:23 AM   
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Im no means a 3d flyer, but I did flip my blade grips and mixer assembly and it added so much throw that I had to turn down my pitch in the swash mix. Its snappy as hell now at -65 instead of the normal +75

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RE: Blade 400 - Tips, tricks, and mods - 1/5/2008 2:17:29 PM   
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uh...maxx...why'd you flip your blade grips and mixer assy? - wasn't it right from the factory?

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RE: Blade 400 - Tips, tricks, and mods - 1/5/2008 8:30:06 PM   
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It looks to me that the Blade 400 has not filled the needs of the Heli fliers, let's start with those who think that this bird needs some upgrades.
Stock price around 480 dlls.
1.- Stripped servos in a mild crash, you may want to upgrade to hitec (100 dlls for 4 servos)
2.- Needs Better blades (You will need to upgrade to align blades at 16.00 dlls.
3.- Some want to upgrade to a Better gyro (Futaba gyro for 139.00 dlls)
4.- Some want to upgrade to a better Radio (DX7) (Around 350 dlls)

How much money do you have to invest to perform all those upgrades?

total investment: $1,085.00 dlls and still you have a plastic made mini helicopter.


Isn't it much easier if you buy a Trex SA (240 dlls at Horizon Hobby or less at ebay)
Buy Hitec servos 100 dlls aprox.
Futaba 401 Gyro (140 dlls) and a DX7 (around 350 dlls)
and a 2170 Flight Power battery (75.00 dlls)

Total invested $905.00
You do not need more upgrades and flies much better and stable than the E-flite blade 400.

Well that is just for thinking.



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RE: Blade 400 - Tips, tricks, and mods - 1/5/2008 11:01:44 PM   
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I just don't get why Trex owners and others go out of their way to come into an E-flite subforum and tell people to avoid buying the Blade 400. I've seen videos of the stock unit flying and it looks fine to me! Is it perfect? No. Is it adequate for someone new getting into the hobby? I think so. I spent a fair amount of time on a CX and it got pretty boring. I was about to get a CP Pro when I was told to hold off and wait for the B400. I'm glad I was given that advice.

I just started out, and I decided that the Blade 400 was a good choice because as an RTF, I'd see exactly how one was put together, and learn about it (my background is mechanical and electrical engineering, and an electric RC heli is a fascinating machine). I would have been lost buying a Trex and having to figure out how to put it together.

What you say in theory, though, is partially true if you take it to an extreme. But some people are forgetting that the Blade 400 flies ok for what it is, and requires no additional cost. Several people (mostly Trex owners I think) seem to skip to the end, where B400 owners have flown them and want to start making it better. However, that's the thing... They don't HAVE to buy better servos right away, as the gears for the servos cost $3 bucks. They don't HAVE to buy better blades, as the stock ones are "ok". You can get a Spektrum DSP75 digital servo for the tail for 20 bucks, and apparently that works just fine. And the DX6i seems like an ok radio for a beginner/intermediate user.

I'll admit, the "upgrade" bug has me... But I can spend money at my own pace to upgrade, and still be able to fly it immedately. I'm not laying out over $1000.00 dollar number that people seem to love to throw around to prove their point. I spend half that, and can fly right now.

I have no doubt that once I get better at this, that I'll wind up getting a Trex, since I like the idea of having a solid base to work with... but for now, I got in at a good price and it added another person to the pool of RC heli guys in this hobby. The more people spending money on mainstream products, the more 3rd party support there is. So people should be welcoming the new blood instead of potentially scaring them off, telling them they'd be better off spending twice as much immediately.


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ORIGINAL: alfredbmor

It looks to me that the Blade 400 has not filled the needs of the Heli fliers, let's start with those who think that this bird needs some upgrades.
Stock price around 480 dlls.
1.- Stripped servos in a mild crash, you may want to upgrade to hitec (100 dlls for 4 servos)
2.- Needs Better blades (You will need to upgrade to align blades at 16.00 dlls.
3.- Some want to upgrade to a Better gyro (Futaba gyro for 139.00 dlls)
4.- Some want to upgrade to a better Radio (DX7) (Around 350 dlls)

How much money do you have to invest to perform all those upgrades?

total investment: $1,085.00 dlls and still you have a plastic made mini helicopter.


Isn't it much easier if you buy a Trex SA (240 dlls at Horizon Hobby or less at ebay)
Buy Hitec servos 100 dlls aprox.
Futaba 401 Gyro (140 dlls) and a DX7 (around 350 dlls)
and a 2170 Flight Power battery (75.00 dlls)

Total invested $905.00
You do not need more upgrades and flies much better and stable than the E-flite blade 400.

Well that is just for thinking.




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RE: Blade 400 - Tips, tricks, and mods - 1/5/2008 11:29:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: alfredbmor

It looks to me that the Blade 400 has not filled the needs of the Heli fliers, let's start with those who think that this bird needs some upgrades.
Stock price around 480 dlls.
1.- Stripped servos in a mild crash, you may want to upgrade to hitec (100 dlls for 4 servos)
2.- Needs Better blades (You will need to upgrade to align blades at 16.00 dlls.
3.- Some want to upgrade to a Better gyro (Futaba gyro for 139.00 dlls)
4.- Some want to upgrade to a better Radio (DX7) (Around 350 dlls)

How much money do you have to invest to perform all those upgrades?

total investment: $1,085.00 dlls and still you have a plastic made mini helicopter.


Isn't it much easier if you buy a Trex SA (240 dlls at Horizon Hobby or less at ebay)
Buy Hitec servos 100 dlls aprox.
Futaba 401 Gyro (140 dlls) and a DX7 (around 350 dlls)
and a 2170 Flight Power battery (75.00 dlls)

Total invested $905.00
You do not need more upgrades and flies much better and stable than the E-flite blade 400.

Well that is just for thinking.




No, this is not meant to be a T-rex. Most people are going to buy the Blade 400 and fly it for a long while stock and get their money's worth out of it. It is a RTF helicopter for darn's sake. It isn't meant to be the best performing helicopter out there. Ya know what as a T-rex owner and a Blade 400 owner I have to say that each is aimed to do a different task. It is hands down good value I sure as hell know I could not put together a T-rex with a 2.4 radio for 500 bucks (less if you shop around)

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RE: Blade 400 - Tips, tricks, and mods - 1/5/2008 11:53:08 PM   
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Torquestar,

Very well said. I agree 100% with everything you stated above.
The Blade 400 was the perfect choice for me, my circumstances and what I wanted out of my first CP heli.

Why these guys (TREX owners) don't understand that just because something is good for them, that does not mean it's good for everyone else in the RC heli world.

The last three videos HERE (First Post) are all stock except main blades and battery. Looks pretty good to me for a $500 helicopter.

EDITed: To get back on topic.
Here's a stupid little tip: Sand and round the ends of the canopy mount rod.
That makes it much easier to reinstall the canopy.


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RE: Blade 400 - Tips, tricks, and mods - 1/6/2008 9:21:40 AM