RE: Spektrum 2.4Ghz DSM2 VS Futaba 2.4Ghz FAST -- Different questions

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RE: Spektrum 2.4Ghz DSM2 VS Futaba 2.4Ghz FAST -- Di... - 1/5/2008 8:52:41 PM

Gulliver

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JUsst to throw something else into the mix: How come nobody ever mentions that the FASST system uses error correction codes on each frame which has got to improve the reception when the signal gets a littl dodgy ?

Since its not mentioned in their adds, I assume that Spektrum doesn't bother wirth this.

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RE: Spektrum 2.4Ghz DSM2 VS Futaba 2.4Ghz FAST -- Dif... - 1/5/2008 8:54:53 PM

GalenB

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ORIGINAL: Josey Wales

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As spoken by two who have their own brand loyalty...

YAWN

BTW which 2.4 system do you own ?

Who cares what brand I own? I was trying to provide information as I have had both Spektrum and Futaba SS systems. Buy the brand that you want, but please stop this other nonsense.

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RE: Spektrum 2.4Ghz DSM2 VS Futaba 2.4Ghz FAST -- Dif... - 1/5/2008 10:35:53 PM

Josey Wales

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Who cares what brand I own? I was trying to provide information as I have had both Spektrum and Futaba SS systems. Buy the brand that you want, but please stop this other nonsense.

LOL! Clever

I never said Spektrum was better than any other 2.4 system. I just agreed with the statement that they all have their advantages and disadvantages. Please show me where I said one was better than the other..

YOU were the one who said FAAST was superior---So please stop yourself already and put down the Hater-ade

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RE: Spektrum 2.4Ghz DSM2 VS Futaba 2.4Ghz FAST -- Dif... - 1/6/2008 12:05:33 AM

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I would think the argument can be settled by the data - the proof that the hopping mechanism is better, in theory.

In practice, it seems the case that both mechanisms work very well so that the superiority probably does not matter. What does matter is the other features.

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RE: Spektrum 2.4Ghz DSM2 VS Futaba 2.4Ghz FAST -- Dif... - 1/6/2008 12:18:43 AM

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YOU were the one who said FAAST was superior---So please stop yourself already and put down the Hater-ade

Never had hater-ade in any of my replies on this site ever! I am unsubscribing from this thread because it too is being hijacked by the JR / Spektrum mafia and will no longer contain any useful information.

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RE: Spektrum 2.4Ghz DSM2 VS Futaba 2.4Ghz FAST -- Dif... - 1/6/2008 12:19:32 AM

Josey Wales

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YOU were the one who said FAAST was superior---So please stop yourself already and put down the Hater-ade

Never had hater-ade in any of my replies on this site ever! I am unsubscribing from this thread because it too is being hijacked by the JR / Spektrum mafia and will no longer contain any useful information.

Bye

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RE: Spektrum 2.4Ghz DSM2 VS Futaba 2.4Ghz FAST -- Dif... - 1/6/2008 12:21:47 AM

Josey Wales

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I would think the argument can be settled by the data - the proof that the hopping mechanism is better, in theory.

In practice, it seems the case that both mechanisms work very well so that the superiority probably does not matter. What does matter is the other features.

I agree--I was in need of a new 9ch TX and since Futaba said they would not be coming out with a built up version of my 9C I went with the JR..At one point I was going to get the 12ch FG but I really dont need a 12ch radio.

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RE: Spektrum 2.4Ghz DSM2 VS Futaba 2.4Ghz FAST -- Dif... - 1/6/2008 12:25:21 AM

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I needed a new radio and since Futaba said they weren't coming out with a new 9C I upgraded to a 12FG. I like the programming. More throttle curves. Just the feeling of the radio overall is incredible to my 9C.

I wanted the module version so that I don't have to switch out my entire fleet at once. I can spend the money and change over receivers as necessary. Sure, I could have gone with a different brand for less I certainly believe I got what I paid for - a very high end transmitter that works with 2.4 GHz, PPM, PCM. I couldn't be happier with the radio.

Right, I don't need 12 channels either. Neither did I need 9...or 10. Its about the software and the overall quality of the radio.

< Message edited by shakes268 -- 1/6/2008 12:26:57 AM >

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RE: Spektrum 2.4Ghz DSM2 VS Futaba 2.4Ghz FAST -- D... - 1/6/2008 12:28:22 AM

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Cool ! That 12FG is a nice TX no doubt.

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RE: Spektrum 2.4Ghz DSM2 VS Futaba 2.4Ghz FAST -- Dif... - 1/6/2008 12:30:12 AM

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ORIGINAL: GalenB

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ORIGINAL: Josey Wales
YOU were the one who said FAAST was superior---So please stop yourself already and put down the Hater-ade

Never had hater-ade in any of my replies on this site ever! I am unsubscribing from this thread because it too is being hijacked by the JR / Spektrum mafia and will no longer contain any useful information.

DANG!!!!!!! I came here hoping to *find* this JR/Spektrum mafia (BTW- that is a pretty base assertion and slanders the character of those who you are writing about. Probably not a good way insure "they" leave you alone.)

I thought this was a pretty good thread overall, highlighting technical differences between vendors is a good thing. For example, the "native" X9303 does it's thing with 2048 bits, if talking to an AR9000/R921.

Does anyone know the resolution of the FAAST? Isn't it 1024, just like the Spektrum Module-based systems?

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RE: Spektrum 2.4Ghz DSM2 VS Futaba 2.4Ghz FAST -- D... - 1/6/2008 12:33:01 AM

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If necessary can the antenna's on the Futaba rx's be made longer ?

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RE: Spektrum 2.4Ghz DSM2 VS Futaba 2.4Ghz FAST -- Dif... - 1/6/2008 1:45:29 AM

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ORIGINAL: Bob Pastorello

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ORIGINAL: GalenB

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ORIGINAL: Josey Wales
YOU were the one who said FAAST was superior---So please stop yourself already and put down the Hater-ade

Never had hater-ade in any of my replies on this site ever! I am unsubscribing from this thread because it too is being hijacked by the JR / Spektrum mafia and will no longer contain any useful information.

DANG!!!!!!! I came here hoping to *find* this JR/Spektrum mafia (BTW- that is a pretty base assertion and slanders the character of those who you are writing about. Probably not a good way insure "they" leave you alone.)

I thought this was a pretty good thread overall, highlighting technical differences between vendors is a good thing. For example, the "native" X9303 does it's thing with 2048 bits, if talking to an AR9000/R921.

Does anyone know the resolution of the FAAST? Isn't it 1024, just like the Spektrum Module-based systems?

FASST when used with the TM-14 module/R6014FS is the same resolution at the 2048 resolution G3 receiver/tx combo used in the 14MZ, 12Z and 12FG.
And yes, that is with a module based system. As I stated before that the "native vs module" argument here is not really existent because Futaba changed the software.
The tx is talking 2.4Ghz natively to the module. There is no PPM to DSSS/FHSS conversion happening here.

< Message edited by shakes268 -- 1/6/2008 1:47:36 AM >

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RE: Spektrum 2.4Ghz DSM2 VS Futaba 2.4Ghz FAST -- Dif... - 1/6/2008 1:47:14 AM

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That is good to know!
Thanks.

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RE: Spektrum 2.4Ghz DSM2 VS Futaba 2.4Ghz FAST -- D... - 1/6/2008 2:23:41 AM

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I don't own the JR or Futaba system but would like to see some real world data to judge the two before I buy. To bad Futaba doesn't support a data logger funtion, it would be interesting.

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RE: Spektrum 2.4Ghz DSM2 VS Futaba 2.4Ghz FAST -- Dif... - 1/6/2008 4:57:53 AM

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