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AMA forum. Keep it or shut it down?
Keep it open
  52% (59)
Shut it down
  47% (53)


Total Votes : 112
(last vote on : 1/11/2008 12:45:35 PM)
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RE: AMA forum. Keep it or shut it down? - 1/9/2008 8:04:18 PM   
Stickbuilder



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ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy

I see three reasons folks would want to shut down the forum
a) They dont want to read what others have to say about the AMA
b) They dont want anyone to be able to read what others say abou the AMA
c) Regardless of alignment, they are sick of the mud where discussion should be

Looking at A, the simplicity of that Closer to just stop coming here himself is obvious.
I dont like what Oxygen & Lifetime put on the TV, so I dont watch those channels. What I do not do is write letters/campaign/vote to have FCC shut down those channels.

But the more dire is B, folks dont like what is said & want to stop anyone else from being able to read it.
If they want to hang out in an AMA Biased Forum, there are plenty of those to chose from, most by the AMA& Districts. But in an unbiased forum, why try to introduce censurship, and if that fails, disband the unbiased forum as ultimate censureship.

And of course C, regardless of good or bad, things have gotten Ugly.
Repeat offenders. Frequently attacking posters rather than post topic. The inceasant use of where folks are from. Baiting for a lock when losing debates. Allusion to insult to stay within the rules. Warnings need to become Weekly Suspensions, and corrective actions need to be Monthly Suspensions. Three strikes you're out, perma-out. Some folks paid? Well, they didnt pay to be above the law, did they?


You should have continued on and included choice D, you know which one that is.

Choice D. Those who walk that fine line that enables them to infuriate the others in the thread, but does not quite step over that line, where the moderator will take action against them. Several use that ploy, and names don't need to be dropped.

Bill, AMA 4720

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RE: AMA forum. Keep it or shut it down? - 1/9/2008 8:30:15 PM   
abel_pranger


 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Stickbuilder


You should have continued on and included choice D, you know which one that is.

Choice D. Those who walk that fine line that enables them to infuriate the others in the thread, but does not quite step over that line, where the moderator will take action against them. Several use that ploy, and names don't need to be dropped.

Bill, AMA 4720


Bill-

Didn't he include that in Choice C?

Anyway I think you are right, and RCKen knows it because he has specifically mentioned it as one of his frustrations in trying his best to do his job here.

Abel

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RE: AMA forum. Keep it or shut it down? - 1/9/2008 8:40:09 PM   
KidEpoxy



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I didnt really put that up as a right/wrong choice, just gathering a list of what I see influencing folks opinion to varying degrees. I'm sure some folks feel A & B as well as C to some degree. C in particular is weighing heavily on my mind, but I feel reasons to keep it open outweigh how much C Close-For-Mudslinging I feel. Your milage may vary.

If you would like to add to the list of reasons folks would want to close the forum, ok, have at it.
Or put up reasons folks might feel inclined to keep it open.
Either, both, neither... whatever you want, its an open mike thread to RCU

But I dont see your proposed D as different from my general C: Mud has replaced discussion. I already put the Fine Line Walkers into the Muddy repeat offenders "Allusion to insult to stay within the rules". It all contributes to less topical discussion, more mud slinging.... which is a reason folks might want to close the forum. The type of mud in particular isnt that important, just that MudSlinging of various types would influence folks to want to close it.

I'm just reading it as your D: FineLiners is an endorsement of a subset of my C: Mudslingers,
which is fine, you can do that if you want. Or Not. Whatever.

< Message edited by KidEpoxy -- 1/9/2008 8:41:53 PM >

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RE: AMA forum. Keep it or shut it down? - 1/9/2008 8:55:28 PM   
The Toolman


 

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Status: online 		Heck Kid, If they get rid of the one that ends up starting all the crap an thinks he knows it all on every thread here, I'd change my vote to leave it open.
Other than that one person, I really don't see where the forum is really all that bad myself.


LOL... I think we oughta run the forum just like a club, if ya don't like one of the members, have the whole club/forum take a vote to let him stay or kick'em out.


Ronnie



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RE: AMA forum. Keep it or shut it down? - 1/9/2008 9:26:26 PM   
FlyingGreg



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Status: offline 		I don't post here often, not sure if I ever have, but I enjoy looking thru the threads as comedic relief in some instances. My vote is to stay open.

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RE: AMA forum. Keep it or shut it down? - 1/9/2008 9:36:07 PM   
Gordon Mc



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Status: offline 		If you shut the AMA forum down, then the nasty stuff will simply migrate over into the other forums. At least this way, the infighting is localized instead of hurting the whole site.

I say keep it open.

Gordon

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RE: AMA forum. Keep it or shut it down? - 1/9/2008 10:46:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, I come here and post fairly regularly. I was asked my opinion by the administrator and gave it. My opinion is to close it down, as I don't feel the AMA Forum does much good for the AMA, as was intended. To the contrary, I see many times where it is doing more harm then good! So, I'm fine with the way I voted!

If it isn't closed down, I'll likely continue to espouse my point of view here. Sorry, I believe I have the right to do this!

< Message edited by Mode One -- 1/9/2008 10:54:37 PM >


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RE: AMA forum. Keep it or shut it down? - 1/9/2008 11:15:45 PM   
Stickbuilder



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ORIGINAL: Mode One

Yes, I come here and post fairly regularly. I was asked my opinion by the administrator and gave it. My opinion is to close it down, as I don't feel the AMA Forum does much good for the AMA, as was intended. To the contrary, I see many times where it is doing more harm then good! So, I'm fine with the way I voted!

If it isn't closed down, I'll likely continue to espouse my point of view here. Sorry, I believe I have the right to do this!

Yes, you have the right. You post your number, and it can be verified that you are a member, unlike some who we have no idea if they are actually members of the AMA or are just here to foment hate and discontent.

Bill, AMA 4720

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RE: AMA forum. Keep it or shut it down? - 1/10/2008 12:50:39 AM   
ira d


 

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Status: offline 		I agree with everyone that feels that those who dont like the fourm or feels it does
no good should stay away from the fourm. I also feel that people go a little overboard
trying to defend the AMA on this fourm.

I say let the AMA staff come on and defend the AMA and discuss the facts. I think
that the fourm will stay however and I hope the posters will make some changes
to help make the fourm better.

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RE: AMA forum. Keep it or shut it down? - 1/10/2008 1:28:32 AM   
Jimmy Skids


 

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Status: offline 		I voted to keep it open. I don't post here much anymore, but do come in and read the issues from time to time. I for one don't envy the job of the moderators, but would think that keeping the forum open would make sense for RCU from a business standpoint. Ken and the rest of the RCU team seems to have a handle on the "trouble makers" and tend to take care of the problems quickly. If the forum continues as such then I see no reason to give up on it yet. When the burden becomes too large, shut it down.

Best wishes to all in the new year.

Jimmy Skids

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RE: AMA forum. Keep it or shut it down? - 1/10/2008 2:12:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's not about the AMA Forum here on R/CU, it's about what's good for the AMA. I'm also fine with people having diametrically opposed opinions to mine and I'm not against open and frank discussions about the AMA, here or anywhere! This just doesn't happen here!

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RE: AMA forum. Keep it or shut it down? - 1/10/2008 3:23:23 AM   
Live Wire


 

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Status: online 		You know it is supporting what you believe in and enjoying what you do in life man I wish I could start over but would it help This forum does good in some cases but can be the pits in others .
BUT I still cant see where MUNCIE does us any good other than an expence,
How many park fliers fly there
Keep open but KEEP IT AMA

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RE: AMA forum. Keep it or shut it down? - 1/10/2008 4:03:01 AM   
vicman



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You should be able to notice the same trend in this thread as in most others in this forum. The same group running down their own path with tit for tat jabs at each other while accomplishing nothing other than choking out the members (of RCU) who are in this thread and forum to learn and comment. There are several inflamatory posts that follow the traditional pattern.

I had higher hopes for this in 08.
Spankem or drop the forum. Thats my vote!


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RE: AMA forum. Keep it or shut it down? - 1/10/2008 5:26:41 AM   
Hossfly



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ORIGINAL: Jim Messer

Marc: I voted to keep the forum open. I know that there is lots of controversy, but when all is said and done, some posts really do make a lot of sense. Using Hoss as an example, I think that he is on the right track most of the time, and he certainly does have the best interests of AMA in mind when he posts. Although I don't always agree with him, I welcome having this forum available to me to share and read his views. I usually state my views on a subject, and then shut up.


Thank You, Jim, for those kind words. I definitely appreciate them from someone of your great record in the science of aeromodeling.
Learned Gentlemen of proper society do not have to agree. In fact, as Prof. David Zarefsky, Ph.D, Northwestern University, Professor of Communication Studies, states in the Study of Effective Reasoning, "Argumentation is mostly a social and cooperative enterprise by which we find truth and resolve conflict." Note the "....resolve conflict."

Unfortunately, when all levels of individuals gather to enter into discussions, then some will not be able to be recognized and may feel left out. HEY, I am one of those left out when a bunch of RC Electric guys are discussing all those electric terms. That is where I just listen.

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For those that voted to close the post down, all they have to do is to no longer come here. That will solve their problem without affecting the other 50% that voted to keep the forum open.


Now with that statement, Jim, you and I are in complete agreement.

It is very sad to me that any citizen of this land with the most freedoms of any country on this earth, would even let him/herself contemplate using censorship in any form. Shameful!

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RE: AMA forum. Keep it or shut it down? - 1/10/2008 5:53:39 AM   
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RE: AMA forum. Keep it or shut it down? - 1/10/2008 6:09:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TwinV

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Wow!

and I was just going to commend Hoss on a great post. Well... I guess I still can. Great post Hoss. Did I just say that? Oh crap…STL has changed me forever…I’ll never be the same. Thanks STL, thanks...


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