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AMA forum. Keep it or shut it down?
Keep it open
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RE: AMA forum. Keep it or shut it down? - 1/10/2008 2:44:18 PM   
STLPilot


 

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I also feel that people go a little overboard trying to defend the AMA on this fourm.
Well sometimes I just get the feeling that most forget that the AMA is a not for profit organization. It's not "owned" by and one single person or stockholder. So when we fight against it, which is more then less, most should try to remember that your not fighting against a person, but against an organization, which is fighting for you. We are the AMA, not the people in Muncie.

But sometimes I do think about what they must see when they look at these forums. But to say there is too much support for the AMA ... I just can't understand how there couldn't be enough.

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RE: AMA forum. Keep it or shut it down? - 1/10/2008 3:38:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		My very first impression years ago when I first started lurking here was that on just about any topic there are those who have deified the AMA to the point where any criticism at all is taken like an attack upon their religion.

BTW, excellent post by Hoss.

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RE: AMA forum. Keep it or shut it down? - 1/10/2008 4:25:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TwinV

What a load of crap!!! Have you ever had an original thought??? It's people like you that make people want to shut this forum down in my opinion. Go spout your political crap elsewhere! Personally, I find it sickening!!


Ah, YES! here we have another shining example of the art of literacy.

TwinV, did you develop your art form over in "Glow Engines, Gas Engines, Fuel & Mfg Support Forums >> Gas Engines" ? It appears this statement may well have been made by your father, however I suppose he did not teach you all his beliefs.
>>>"Sorry for the trouble but after spending 22 years in the United States Air Force I'm just not into selective censorship."<<<

Now, TwinV, you have a nice whatever of your choice!

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RE: AMA forum. Keep it or shut it down? - 1/10/2008 4:40:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: STLPilot



But sometimes I do think about what they must see when they look at these forums.


Who is the they you refer to?

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RE: AMA forum. Keep it or shut it down? - 1/10/2008 5:16:31 PM   
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Stickbuilder:
I had promised myself that I was not going to do this. Having said that, If you are not a member of the AMA, then you have no dog in the fight. I can't help but wonder, if you are not a member, then why all the concern for what the AMA does. If you don't care enough about the AMA to join, and keep your membership from year to year, then all the ranting and raving should and probably does fall on deaf ears, since you are nothing but a cipher. Nothing that you post has any bearing on what is done in Muncie, since you don't belong to the organization in the first place. Why would you want to waste your time mouthing arguments to, or about an organization to which you don't belong? What is your reasoning behind this, or do you just enjoy having a place to come to and stir the pot? 5 will get you 10 that your other 4 pals can't wait to jump in on this one.

Bill, AMA 4720



Bill, I hope you don't take this the wrong way, as it is presented merely for discussion and thought.

Personally, I welcome the non-AMA person to present his/her comments here. As one who really pushes membership in the AMA -- and that is NOT blind followers of the leadership / management of AMA, just the organization -- only with providing some insight into the overall organization, can I present an actual reason/s for belonging. In addition, by making myself available for again becoming a person involved in that leadership circle, can I display that I am willing and able to attempt to make changes for what I currently perceive to make the organization better.
While there will always be individuals that cannot and/or will not change their minds, especially when they have a past action that they think unjust, there are also many that are willing to be open to new ideas, new options, and study the pros and cons of any subject that might be of some interest to them.

IMO, only by presenting the good things and also those things that need change, as our -- you, others, and I -- have experienced for so many short years, can we provide the needed reasons to the uninformed new modelers now arriving into a totally different model aeronautics world for continuing the AMA as an organization.
Bill, (and other old timers) you and I are still of the opinion that a real airplane has two wings and a round engine. I'm betting that a real airplane flying over you still draws your head into the UP position. I still look up, but I notice so many young people (under 50 being really young ) that don't pay much attention to overflying airplanes.

These younger modelers have grown up in a different world. They don't much like associations outside their circle of friends and associates. It's folks like us, Bill, that have to be the guiding light for them, like we do our grand-kids.

Marc, please keep this forum open. It is an educational instrument.

edited to replace wrong word

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RE: AMA forum. Keep it or shut it down? - 1/10/2008 7:34:29 PM   
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If you don't care enough about the AMA to join, and keep your membership from year to year, then all the ranting and raving should and probably does fall on deaf ears, since you are nothing but a cipher
<sigh >

Just recently we had a thread on how a guy was run off from flying at Muncie... and he dropped AMA over it. Some here would have that guy not post, that he has no dog in this fight. But that former member did post, and solely due to the posts here at RCU he was contacted by the AMA and thru apology & understanding he decided to rejoin AMA.
- Muncie does know what goes on here
- Good things can come from a negative experience post
- He was not a member, yet here is where RCU posters & ama helped him.

He had no business posting because he is a former member? I think not. If that were the case, the AMA would be 1 members shorter with a Soured Former Member running around. What Stick has against that guy & all former members I dont know. Unless Stick wasnt making a point about all former members, that all ex-AMA are welcome except me personally


oh, and despite phrases I use like,
... before I voted for my DVP...
... at my club we ...
... my club pres said ...
... dues at my club ...
... upset that I paid $58 to vote for Hoss and the nominations ....
... need to stop working late so I can get to the club in the morning....

Seems after all that folks wonder if I am AMA or not.
Whether my opinion is just as valid as theirs.
Whether I have a dog in the fight.
... My opinions here are just as valid as some PPP guy's

But this looks like I am putting up a defence, and what would I need to defend against?
Someone who repeatedly casts dispersions on my AMA membership?

Maybe he was using the generic YOU, not saying all that stuff at me in particular
quote:

5 will get you 10 that your other 4 pals can't wait to jump in on this one.

nope, seems it was directed at me

For a guy that came up with D: Fine Line Walkers that cast negativity yet stay withing the rules,
seems he just cast down on me while staying within the rules.

It is this personal snipe garbage that brings the forum down.



Anyhoo,
Like I said, it is an Unbiased RCU forum, not just another AMA temple.
The exAMA current RCU member that was run off muncie wasnt treaspassing by posting here.

< Message edited by KidEpoxy -- 1/10/2008 7:35:29 PM >

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RE: AMA forum. Keep it or shut it down? - 1/10/2008 8:06:42 PM   
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RE: AMA forum. Keep it or shut it down? - 1/10/2008 10:06:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		"I'm betting that a real airplane flying over you still draws your head into the UP position. I still look up, but I notice so many young people (under 50 being really young ) that don't pay much attention to overflying airplanes." ---- Hoss


Hoss,

I'm a month away from 40. Lately I've had that whole, I'm getting old feeling going on and your comment helped to reverse that a little..... Thanks. However, don't assume that all us really young guys don't look up. In the past year I've had opportunity to look up on two different occassions and see a P-51 fly by (not at an airshow or event). Both times I stood in awe and listened to my heart beat for minutes afterwards.

I don't always agree with what you have to say, but always respect your ability to voice an opinion. Keep up the good work.

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RE: AMA forum. Keep it or shut it down? - 1/10/2008 10:19:08 PM   
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RE: AMA forum. Keep it or shut it down? - 1/10/2008 10:52:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm just going to go ahead and ask about the benefits of this Forum then! If this forum is beneficial to the AMA, it's members, or a venue for promoting change, so the AMA will be a better organization, lets see some examples of where this forum has been of service? One example was given above by KidEpoxy.

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RE: AMA forum. Keep it or shut it down? - 1/10/2008 11:39:01 PM   
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RE: AMA forum. Keep it or shut it down? - 1/10/2008 11:42:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm a member of the AMA, I first joined in 1997. I support the AMA but obviously no organization is perfect and as currently structured I see the AMA spiraling down and out of existence. This doesn't mean I want it to, but in my opinion that's where it's headed. I've posted a few times in here, I enjoy spirited debate and I'm far from perfect but hopefully on most occasions I was respectful of another persons opinion.

An interesting aspect of this forum is the disproportionate passion regarding the AMA. We have lives. We're parents, grandparents, children, veterans, firemen, businessmen, students, some are young, some old, some down on their luck, some doing well - but everyone here has a rich life and to elevate AMA discussions to the zeniths of passion is something I simply don't understand.

So pardon me while I grab a soapbox and get to the point. Put-down artists aren't respected. Not in life, or on the internet. The most brilliant retort in the world is totally worthless when delivered with malicious intent. Argue by dragging people through the mud and you lose your audience. You may think you look good in the mirror, but not to anyone else. Ever. I've been down the road of putting people down - as I said I'm not perfect - and it goes nowhere, arguments fueled by angry defensive reactions have zero value.

I've read most of the threads in this AMA forum the past six months and quite frankly there are at least two people I would outright ban, right now on the spot. These are people that pollute and inflame rather than give in the spirit of a good debate.

I voted to close this forum. This country was founded on free speech, one of our greatest liberties but you can't go to NBC News and demand to go on the air, you can't tell your local newspaper what to print - and in a moderated forum, I would always expect some people to get the boot. And hey, maybe me someday, who knows.

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RE: AMA forum. Keep it or shut it down? - 1/11/2008 12:26:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		here we go again with bored, miserable people always wanting to shut something down. why dont you go ahead and shut the whole system down and get rid of everything. thats the american way ... let a few choose for the masses. whats next going to ban the electric motor forum because someone mentioned a glow motor. ridiculous aint it.

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RE: AMA forum. Keep it or shut it down? - 1/11/2008 1:18:13 AM   
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Your points are well taken, and truthful. However, shutting down the forum is not the right thing to do. Dialogue here between both AMA and non-AMA members provide fodder to make us all think and review both sides to every story. There is no need to get angry in doing so.

In a previous post, I said that if you don't like the forum as it stands, then just don't come here any more. Your problem solved.

Also in a previous post I said that if you couldn't say something nice about something or somebody, then it is best to say nothing at all. I live by that rule - I refuse to put anybody or any organization down, even though they may well deserve it. Doing so, just reverses the situation, where I then become the villian, and I don't want that to happen. Example: I got so irritated at how the IMAA was being run with absolutely no input from the membership, an organization that I personally helped to organize in 1980, and after 25 years as a pioneer sponsor - I simply dropped out. Problem solved.

I know that several of the AMA leaders read this forum just like you and me. How do I know? Well two summers ago when I was flying at a meet in NY, the annoucer called me to the stand. There was a top AMA official standing there who I had never met before. He said that he wanted to meet me, and thank me, for all the good things I had said about the AMA in the RCU Forums. That's proof enough for me.

You have been a member now for eleven years. I have been a member for 67 years. When I joined the AMA it was a fledgling organization with about 10,000 members. You see it as a dying organization. I see it as an organization that is in the process of being revitalized and exiting stronger than ever before, endorsing all facets of modeling in every category.

Five will get you ten that I will win this one.





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