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ENYA 25SS Diesel - 1/11/2008 8:29:41 PM   
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I'm breaking in a pair of these for a friend. First impression is that they are VERY nicely made and fitted - ah, well, they are ENYAs...

Initial bench running with the first of the two showed an unexpected thing. The compression adjusting screw did not back out when the screw was turned back. It could be forced to drop back, by goosing it higher, then dropping it back quickly. Not a good idea when what you need is LESS compression, right now!

It continued doing this over about the first 30 minutes or so of short, heat-cycle runs, so I decided to try something. We'd examined the engine before any running - I always do out of curiosity, and to check for any machining trash inside, and for a look at the parts theselves. (The 25SS has a massive crankdisk, which makes a good flywheel to damp vibrations.) The contra-piston is within a drop-in iron piece, trapped by the outer head, much like a glow engine with a button combustion chamber clamped-on.

So, being careful to NOT disturb the cylinder and piston alignment, I pulled the head and contra-piston assembly to see just how stiff the c/p fit the outer part.

VERY stiffly! So with a small piece of 1/4" dowel, a smooth faced side of the anvil on my bench vise, and a tack hammer, I proceeded to tap the contra-piston back to its highest distance from the shaft. Then, flipped it over, and tapped it down to the other extreme possible position. Repeated this about five times all told. It still felt just as tight as when I first pulled it out of the engine. I hoped, at least, I might have freed the pieces from any locked-up condition.

So it proved! The c/p is still extremely firm in fit, but can be moved both ways. On backing off compression, it follows the screw, slowly, but it follows. It may feel just the slightest bit smoother on raising compression, too, without any suggestion of ever going slack.

Treated the #2 engine to the same 'exercising' of c/p in outer. Hope the effect is as successful.

Anyone else had a similar problem? Were there other solutions than my 1/4" birch dowel 'drift punch' efforts? ...Not specifically with ENYA diesels, but with any... I would not try this with a c/p direct in a working cylinder, but the separate, drop-in assembly sugggested the approach for the 25 SS-D.

It is a fine running engine! Well, was with the 'sticking' c/p, too, but now I have better confidence about not harming it during break-in.

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RE: ENYA 25SS Diesel - 1/11/2008 9:00:51 PM   
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Lou have the Enya cx11Dand the 25D both BB did not have the issue but I did with my MVVS 15 basically
solved the same way it is fine now a few of the contra in cylinder will do this even PAW but a little exercising
solves it no issue now martin

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RE: ENYA 25SS Diesel - 1/11/2008 11:00:27 PM   
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The contra piston fit is so critical, that it can hardly be produced in CNC machined motors.
I bought a series of diamond "boorts" so I could make copper laps for relieving the CP fit. If the CP fit is too tight to be pressed down by hand force, it is just too tight, and some relieve lapping of the cylinder top is in order. Most engines have a tapered bore. This taper is not required in the top where the CP rides, so this provides an opportunity to relieve the tight fit.
Another thing pops up. Once the engine runs, the CP is heated more than the cylinder, because it's ways to get rid of the heat are limited. So even with the proper, "click-back-fit", once the engine gets up to running temperature, there is no way to adjust the CP either down, or up. If you solve this problem with fit alone, the compression screw will back up with engine running, intoducing a new problem. In a cold engine, the CP may even drop onto the piston.
It can be designed such though, that the CP is of thin walled design with a taper. The taper takes care of the sliding force, and allows different expansion rates to the cylinder as well. It can be done. Others have done it that I know of, and I could repeat their expertise.

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RE: ENYA 25SS Diesel - 6/3/2008 11:39:12 PM   
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I ran my Enya .25 diesel today. APC 11/6 prop did not take any RPM readings. Easy to start and adjust and did not have any contra piston problems. I did replace the compression allen cap screw and added a compression locking lever. A bit over kill on the compression locking lever with a wing nut thingy out of 3/16 inch thick aluminium. A nice engine. Jack

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RE: ENYA 25SS Diesel - 6/4/2008 12:00:25 AM   
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Sometimes you can free it up a bit by richening the mixture just before backing off the screw-I guess it cools the contra?
Nudging it down a bit then backing off does not seem to create a problem as it is just for a fraction of a second. Unless of course it still won't back off and now it is even more compressed.......which will happen also

Lou/Jack, I would be interested in how that engine drives a 10x6 apc with the muffler.
I've been running a Webra .28 in my 72" Lancer and It seems to scatter itself every other time out. First time a circlip let go and toasted a piston/liner and the next time the crank pin end let go. At least I could use the crank from the first engine.

The Webra is turning a 10x6 apc 11,6-12,100 depending on engine. I run it very hard - imagine that?

Also what is the weight with muffler?

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RE: ENYA 25SS Diesel - 6/4/2008 12:46:59 AM   
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Lou, I consider a tight contra piston a good thing. if it backs out with a shot of throttle, that is fine. I too have an Enya .25D, Martin and I got our at the same time. Also a pic. of the Irvine .25, mine has an AJCoholic head, Martins has aDavis head. In the picture it is turning a Graupner 12x5 at 8,610 rpm.

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RE: ENYA 25SS Diesel - 6/4/2008 2:57:23 AM   
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RocketRob, The Enya .25 diesel with the muffler weighs in at 10.55 ounces. I can not fit the muffler on the engine with the test stand I use. Jack

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RE: ENYA 25SS Diesel - 6/4/2008 3:14:05 AM   
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Looks like if you trim the bolt you can get on the muffler have a similar stand thats what I did martin

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RE: ENYA 25SS Diesel - 6/4/2008 4:18:58 AM   
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Martin, right you are. I cut off the bolt on the muffler side of the test stand and the muffler now can be installed. I will get an APC 10/6 prop and see what RPM the Enya .25 diesel does with the muffler and APC 10/6 prop. Jack

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RE: ENYA 25SS Diesel - 6/4/2008 4:59:32 AM   
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Thank you Jack!!!

I've got to find a suitable replacement for the webra as my parts stash is wearing thin

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RE: ENYA 25SS Diesel - 6/4/2008 9:24:29 AM   
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All,

Thanks! Many good thoughts offered. Time has not allowed checking them all out - mebbe soon. I note that the most recent ENYA online matter mentions use with a 10-6 or so, where the earlier poop suggested a larger prop as minimum.

Shirley, (phonetic) the 25D BB is so similar to the glow 25BB that the RPM should be tolerable - if the shaft. etc., can handle the extra compression loads for the diesel version. OUR standards and ENYA-Sans may differ... Your mileage may differ...


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RE: ENYA 25SS Diesel - 6/4/2008 12:08:30 PM   
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If all goes,well expect to maiden the beaver this Sunday with the Enya 25 and the wood XOAR 13x4 also picked up a XOAR 12x5 will try both, the static pull ( just holding the lane seems pretty good, also as soon as the head shows for the OS 32SX from Davis will try that one also a quick switch just a bolt in change the Enya did turn 8200 with the 13x4 Xoar
and most likely can be tweeked to get out an other few hundred RPM really very little time on the engine. The Enya is a fine engine but much easier to pet the OSs and Davis heads
here in the US martin

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RE: ENYA 25SS Diesel - 6/4/2008 1:26:58 PM   
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Lou, it will be interesting to see if the carb venturi reducer will be a factor with the small props and the higher rpm.

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RE: ENYA 25SS Diesel - 6/4/2008 2:35:21 PM   
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I will check the local hobby shop today for an APC 10/6 prop. There is an excellent review of the Enya .25 diesel by John Modistach. Complete with charts and photos of engine taken apart. John got 9,200 RPM with the APC 10/6 prop. Google ENYA 25 SS DIESEL review by John Modistach. John is from the "Land Down Under". Another engine review of this engine is the British magazine RCMW September 2005. Great photos and this review convinced me to purchase the engine. APC 12/6 7,000 RPM. John Modistach got 6,450 with the same size APC 12/6 prop. I am sure you can get higher RPM readings with Davis fuel. The RCMW review used mild fuel. John did not list the fuel he used for the testing. Jack

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