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RE: Here's A Simple & FREE First Foam Build Plan! (Part 2) - 2/4/2008 3:41:21 AM   
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Hello!

First post. LlamaFragments is just a general online alias, like Espresso-Outfitters.

I have been hovering around for awhile and decided to register.

I have started building FoamFlyer's Airplane! I have gotten all of the materials that I need, and today I made a slightly different type of hot-wire bow.
This will be the first airplane that I own, but I have flown other people's airplanes numerous times and have spent a significant amount of time on the RealFlight simulator.
Either way, I attached a picture of the bow and the power adapter that I used. It's a sony dc 16v 4a power adapter for a battery charger and I'm using 28 gauge wire that's from Home Depot.

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RE: Here's A Simple & FREE First Foam Build Plan! (Part 2) - 2/4/2008 5:12:50 PM   
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LlamaFragments,

Welcome aboard! Your home brew foam cutter looks like a nice lowtech solution. Have you had a chance to cut much foam with it? Seems like you might have a little trouble keeping the wire tight enough but you will know real quick if that it the case. 4 amps seems a bit low too but like I said you will know real quick like if either of these things is an issue.

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Fisher

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RE: Here's A Simple & FREE First Foam Build Plan! (Part 2) - 2/4/2008 7:14:06 PM   
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Did the most flying I've done in a long time yesterday. Came with two planes (My streamlined Stryker...AKA Streaker, and the Dual Boomer) and went home with two, so that was a plus.

I got one flight out of Streaker and no problems. Didn't do too much stunting with it because, even though it's flown about twenty times, I was busy fine tuning trim and dual rates. Since it's built like a brick it should be around a LONG time. There, now I've hexed myself.

I slapped some servo extension plugs on the dual boomer with tape and lopped off some nose so it could maiden, though it still needs more work. It took off without a problem and I ran about five or six packs through it. The plane was using a BP21 re-winded down to (I think) 1100 or 1200 k/v. I didn't want this plane to be a speed demon since it's supposed to be a tank in the air along the lines of the Wart Hog. Also wanted to keep the amps down to 10 to 13 in case my older Comon Sense packs were getting weak. Good news is they are still running strong.

I played with an APC E 8x4, 7x6SF, and a 7x6 gas prop on it. All of them were a little slower than the speed I want, so I may do a re-wind of the motor with just a little more k/v or try yet another prop. Before deciding to do that I want to fine tune and streamline the bird more to see how it acts. Right now it's lousy at loops (COG, drag/speed, and too long of a nose issue) but rolls aren't that bad. Not going to be a trick plane but I know it's capable of more like build #2 and 3 were. Haven't installed the streamlined cowl over the motor on top of the wing or lopped off enough nose yet, along with a few other things that are causing heavy drag right now.

On a final note, the 15C Loong Max 2250ma packs we are using from United Hobbies are doing well thus far but the proof will be after 30 or so cycles. I was using the 15C 2250ma 3 cell yesterday. It's very light, already has the deans soldered on, and as an added bonus they give you the ESC male plug. These packs are only around $18. The 20C packs are about $24. If they don't puff or lose capacity they'll be a great value. So far my blue HXT 20C 2250ma 3 cell pack is also doing well with no puffing. My Hi-Model pack has puffed and no longer can deliver the amps needed. With only about 40 or so flights on it I'd say stay away from them. They are more expensive anyway.




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RE: Here's A Simple & FREE First Foam Build Plan! (Part 2) - 2/4/2008 7:35:58 PM   
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Fisher,

It cuts foam reasonably well. The thing with the tension on it is that you just have to over-tighten it to begin with, and then it will be at a reasonable tension to cut with. For some reason we couldn't find a single spring in Home Depot...
Tonight I'm going to cut out the rest of the template I was working on and maybe start cutting the wing.

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RE: Here's A Simple & FREE First Foam Build Plan! (Part 2) - 2/5/2008 4:50:39 AM   
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I got the templates done...

But my bow sucks. It does not give enough tension. I tried using a spring but that just broke the wire. Ended up going through 3 7x36 sheets that all were destroyed

Does anyone have any tips on how to cut the wing with a bow? I obviously failed. Just general techniques that work with a good bow.

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RE: Here's A Simple & FREE First Foam Build Plan! (Part 2) - 2/5/2008 6:35:17 PM   
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Fisher,

It cuts foam reasonably well. The thing with the tension on it is that you just have to over-tighten it to begin with, and then it will be at a reasonable tension to cut with. For some reason we couldn't find a single spring in Home Depot...
Tonight I'm going to cut out the rest of the template I was working on and maybe start cutting the wing.


Single springs can be found in the screen door section and work well, or they might be near the other spring area. That's somewhere around the nuts and bolts area but usually off to one of those small cut across rows.


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RE: Here's A Simple & FREE First Foam Build Plan! (Part 2) - 2/5/2008 6:39:03 PM   
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I got the templates done...

But my bow sucks. It does not give enough tension. I tried using a spring but that just broke the wire. Ended up going through 3 7x36 sheets that all were destroyed

Does anyone have any tips on how to cut the wing with a bow? I obviously failed. Just general techniques that work with a good bow.


I'd check page one of this thread. I covered the "I" style bows. About as simplistic as it gets. I used a screen door spring to pivot tension on one end of the "I". Pictures and instructions on page one will make it clear. I'm using stainless steel .022 gauge fishing leader (or is that .022 diameter?). I hear .024 works well too with my friend's 40" as well. We both power ours using a $30 Harbor Tool and Frieght battery charger (pic on page 1) in the "starting" and "55 amp" modes. No need for a dimmer with that setting, this gauge wire, and that charger. Any other questions just ask.

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RE: Here's A Simple & FREE First Foam Build Plan! (Part 2) - 2/5/2008 6:49:43 PM   
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Forgot to mention about the BP21 re-wind on build #4. The "stock" BP21 wind works great for the plane. I normaly ran an APC 8x4E (about 12 or 13 amps) on it, while I think Fisher runs a 7x4 or 7x5E (probably 10 to 12 amps). The 7x6SF prop (14 to 16 amps or so) would also probably be killer, giving the plane tons of speed (I know it did on my Stryker). A stock BP21 is about 1760 k/v or somewhere around there. I have this one winded to about 1100 or 1200 k/v. Not because the torque wasn't good enough on the prior three builds, but because I wanted to keep the amp draw as low as possible for my older Comon Sense packs by trading off a little speed but also gaining a little torque in the process.

The 8x4E was noticably slower on this wind than the stock one. Too slow, but as I said it might be due to the streamlining and other issues I still need to fix. As the speed gets slower you've got less air flow over the controls, so even though this build has two ailerons it didn't roll any better than the prior three builds with only one. Same with elevator. I had them both maxed to 125%. I'm sure they'll get really responsive once I pick up a little more speed. Keep that in mind...if you are using a faster motor your control surfaces can be smaller and vise versa if you want. I tend to just oversize them and then lower the rates or throw to compensate.

Forgot to mention, I had concerns about the rudder size. Good news is it had pretty good response, even at the low speeds it was doing.



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RE: Here's A Simple & FREE First Foam Build Plan! (Part 2) - 2/7/2008 8:01:17 PM   
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Okay, I figured out a solution to my problems. What I'll do is make two wings, each 17 1/4" long and then attach them with a carbon fiber rod that goes through a bump on the fuselage. I then tape between the bump and the wing. What this does is it gives me a smaller piece of foam to work with, and makes the airplane more portable. This has probably already been done before...

Either way, I found a spring for my bow that works! ....



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RE: Here's A Simple & FREE First Foam Build Plan! (Part 2) - 2/7/2008 10:00:47 PM   
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Can you describe your carbon tube method more clearly so I can understand what you are doing? I've joined two wing halves for a 6' version of the So plane before by using two aluminum arrow shafts with a nylon rod sliding into them, but carbon fiber is better, using a smaller tube sliding into a larger one.


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RE: Here's A Simple & FREE First Foam Build Plan! (Part 2) - 2/8/2008 3:55:03 PM   
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It'll have two carbon fiber pieces that are inside of the fuselage that go into the wing. Then tape prevents them from sliding in and out.

Okay, I actually cut the wing parts well! Cool!

By the way, here's a picture that is resized so that it has a 7" chord length. Taken from CompuFoil.

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RE: Here's A Simple & FREE First Foam Build Plan! (Part 2) - 2/11/2008 6:07:10 PM   
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Good job on cutting out the wing! And I see now what you are doing with the wing. Should work fine.


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RE: Here's A Simple & FREE First Foam Build Plan! (Part 2) - 2/12/2008 6:34:45 AM   
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It'll have two carbon fiber pieces that are inside of the fuselage that go into the wing. Then tape prevents them from sliding in and out.

Okay, I actually cut the wing parts well! Cool!

By the way, here's a picture that is resized so that it has a 7" chord length. Taken from CompuFoil.

ooh, is that the airfoil?????, guess it is, sweet

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