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RE: Here's A Simple & FREE First Foam Build Plan! (P... - 6/9/2008 8:55:25 PM   
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Don't stress that element along the username. You did really well further refining this design. I can see the aft section is slimed down, not a bad way of going at it with this design.

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RE: Here's A Simple & FREE First Foam Build Plan! (Pa... - 6/9/2008 9:32:47 PM   
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Here is my SO.1, minus all the gear.
I have made it from similar stuff to what Critterhunt used, EPS he called it. In my side of the world it sells under the name Isotherm.
I fly Heli's, and have got a couple of gliders... although they have never flown, so this will be my first Motorised Foamie.
The booms and fuselage have been thinned to keep weight down, although this foam is still heck of a stiff! Also put in dual aileron and have raised the motor mount.
Going to run a 1000mah 10c battery to start with to keep weight down and things slow.
Just wating on the ESC now.
Have got a 2408-21T motor,30A Flying ESC on its way, Esky 1000mah battery, x3 Esky Servos (Had them lying around).
Any Tips on what Prop would be best, to keep it slow, low draw yet responsive? (for now).
My all up weight currently is about 400-430g or 14-15oz
Any help/ tips appriciated!

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RE: Here's A Simple & FREE First Foam Build Plan! (Pa... - 6/9/2008 10:33:15 PM   
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alouette3,

The plane looks great! The servo pockets and other details are very nice touches. You mention an AUW of ~15 oz. That is right where my plane is and it flies very well. Any heavier and you will be needing more speed. Getting your motor, battery and propeller matched will be your toughest chore.

Your propeller choice will be determined by your battery or the other way around. You say you plan to us a 1000 mah 10C LiPo. That battery will only handle 10 amps of continuous draw if it is a good quality cell. Is it a 2 or 3 cell pack? 2 cell packs can handle larger diameter propellers and draw fewer amps. Trying to run a 3 cell pack on this plane and draw less than 10 amps may be a challange. Check the links below for some insight.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=847223

http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/showthread.php?p=405929

http://www.peakeff.com/GraphKIR.aspx?&v=11.1&kv=1600&io=1.2&rm=0.21&w=50&MinThrust=0&MaxThrust=10000&MinMPH=0&MaxMPH=10000&gws=False&apc=True&all=False&title=TP+2408-21T-3D+new

Configuration: Prop: Volts: Amps: Thrust:
Direct Drive 8040 8.4V 8.6A 394.29 grams / 13.8 oz
Direct Drive 8040 11.1V 13.1A 600 grams/ 21.0 oz

http://64.33.154.92/blackdogrc/brushless.jsp#BM2408-21

Getting someone to plug the specifications into Moto Calc would be a big help. If you are not already comitted to the battery you may consider a 15c to give you at least 13 amps to work with.

http://www.unitedhobbies.com/hobbycity/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=5470&Product_Name=LM_Loong_max_1000_3S1P_15C_Lipo_pack

Loong_max_1000_3S1P_15C_Lipo_pack $12.25

I use a BP-21 outrunner, 2000 mah 3s 10C that can pull close to 20 amps for mine. With a 7x4 APC thin electric prop. it flies fast and slow with good handling.

Please let us know how you fair.



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RE: Here's A Simple & FREE First Foam Build Plan! (... - 6/10/2008 7:05:35 PM   
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Its a 3S 11.1V. I have also got a couple 1800mah 3S. I just happened to have the battery from a RTF heli which i upgraded.
The thing is that th 1000mah weighs 80g (2.82oz) while the 1800mah weighs 150g (5.29oz)
Its just to start off with to keep it slow

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RE: Here's A Simple & FREE First Foam Build Plan! (... - 6/10/2008 7:11:46 PM   
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alouette3, I have a few 11.1, 1000 mah packs, the weight to power ratio is really good, you'll find out outfitting the plane with the lightweight gear will get you more then enough power.

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RE: Here's A Simple & FREE First Foam Build Plan! (... - 6/10/2008 7:59:15 PM   
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saucerguy,

What would your recommendation for a prop. be for alouette3 running a 10c pack?


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RE: Here's A Simple & FREE First Foam Build Plan! (... - 6/15/2008 2:34:49 PM   
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I have got all the gear now, just need the time to install it now... oh and the weather to fly!

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RE: Here's A Simple & FREE First Foam Build Plan! (... - 6/16/2008 12:31:54 AM   
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Fisher, I use the trial and error approach on props, I don't even have a watt meter and once in a while, I will burn up an esc by overpropping. What I'll do if I'm experiementing is take the plane up for a short stint, get the feel to determin if it's performance has increased, take it down and test the temperature of the pack, esc, and motor. If they are too warm, I'm pushing it too far. In his case, I'd probably start out with a 7/4 or 7/6 for conservative results.

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RE: Here's A Simple & FREE First Foam Build Plan! (... - 6/16/2008 7:22:46 PM   
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RE: Here's A Simple & FREE First Foam Build Plan! (... - 6/16/2008 7:35:03 PM   
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Well this is how my SO is looking with most of the gear installed.
I think I'm just going to use my 1800mah 3S 20C batteries, as the other battery doesn't get the CoG right.
Although my AUW is now between 17-18oz

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RE: Here's A Simple & FREE First Foam Build Plan! (... - 6/16/2008 9:44:00 PM   
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alouette3,

17 to 18 oz. (I assume that is with the battery installed) is getting a bit beefy but should handle the wind better. I run a 7 x 4 on my 15.5 oz plane and am very happy with the performance. With the battery you listed you should be fine. You will probably not get unlimited vertical but you will get good performance.

The plane is looking great. Hope the first flight goes well.


Saucer,

I am all about trial and plenty of errors.

Cheers,

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RE: Here's A Simple & FREE First Foam Build Plan! (Pa... - 6/17/2008 6:35:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: alouette3

Here is my SO.1, minus all the gear.
I have made it from similar stuff to what Critterhunt used, EPS he called it. In my side of the world it sells under the name Isotherm.
I fly Heli's, and have got a couple of gliders... although they have never flown, so this will be my first Motorised Foamie.
The booms and fuselage have been thinned to keep weight down, although this foam is still heck of a stiff! Also put in dual aileron and have raised the motor mount.
Going to run a 1000mah 10c battery to start with to keep weight down and things slow.
Just wating on the ESC now.
Have got a 2408-21T motor,30A Flying ESC on its way, Esky 1000mah battery, x3 Esky Servos (Had them lying around).
Any Tips on what Prop would be best, to keep it slow, low draw yet responsive? (for now).
My all up weight currently is about 400-430g or 14-15oz
Any help/ tips appriciated!


VERY Nice! I assume when you say you made it from "similar stuff" you mean something like the denser Falcon EPS foam I'm using these days (found at construction supply centers), and not just EPS found at Home Depot or Lowes. That stuff is much lighter/weaker but is also perfectly fine. FoamFlyer and just about everybody building the So and other scratchbuilds use it. If I had to buy from Home Depot/Lowes I'd opt for the pink or blue EPS. Much denser/stronger than the white, and smoother too, but not as strong as the stuff I'm using.

That 10 amp capable lipo is your limiting factor. The BP21 will draw 14 to 16 amps on say a 7x6SF (used to fly this setup on a Stryker...very fast). An 8x4E (all these props are APC) will draw I think 12 to 14 amps. Slower but very good torque. I prefered that prop on my prior So builds using the BP21 you got. 7x5 is probably around there in amps as well. 7x4 might be 10 to 12 or so, still too many amps for that pack. I'm thinking you'll need to drop down to a 6x4 and even then the amps might still be at around 10 or so. In general, you only want to draw about 80% of the amps a pack can deliver continuously. If you go by the burst C raiting of that pack you'll find it will have a very short life.

I'd get the most common universal packs most people use for Park Flyers, from sort'a small to sort'a big planes...A 3 cell 20C 2200ma pack. I fly these in all my diverse plane styles and sizes. Check out Hobby City. A HXT, Loong Max, or Zippy H (?...second best Zippy...Might be "K" or "R" is as cheap as you are going to find a pack in that size ($23 to $27 or so), and I've had good luck with the HXT and Loong Max. Haven't tried the Zippy yet but hear good things. Think they discontinued the Loong Max. Pick whatever is in stock or you'll wait a while for it to ship.

While you are on there, pick up some HXT900 servos for $4 (The *BEST* servo for most builds. Blows away the HS55 Hitec $20 servos and most others. They'll work in small/light to most big/heavy builds, though I go to HS81 servos when very fast or heavy (9320MG servos from Hobby City are a good/cheap replacement for the HS81). Also check out the ESCs. Tower Pros (30 amps for $14) or Super Simple ($9 for 30 amps) are great. If you want even better with more options then look at the Turnigy ESCs (Sold as Pentium by others). When you want to step up in motors check out the 2409-12T that Saucerguy is using or the 2409-18 that I'm using on my So. His is faster. Mine has more torque. AND, pick up the $25 HXT balance charger. It's all you'll every need for a lipo. We love'em.


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RE: Here's A Simple & FREE First Foam Build Plan! (... - 6/17/2008 6:39:16 PM   
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