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Is the cost of the PPP membership fair to other AMA members?

Yes, a 2lb plane traveling 60mph cant hurt anyone

34% (29)

No, they are getting a better tiered rate than FF

5% (5)

No, they are getting a better tiered rate than gliders

1% (1)

No, they are getting a better tiered rate than 1/2a

4% (4)

No, $58 bucks and $30 for family members for the right to vote!!!!

53% (45)

Total Votes : 84

(last vote on : 4/11/2008 12:15:29 AM)
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RE: Is the cost of the PPP membership fair to other ... - 3/24/2008 3:50:42 AM

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ORIGINAL: Live Wire

Just looked at the pole One of these guys that don't think it will hurt being hit by a park flyer, at 60 mph . Stand still and give me a try, I bet you get the hell out of the way if you can. It will hurt, you may not think so but try it you may like it
Got hit in the back by a 60 glow and it hurts even with a bunch of winter clothes on. Been a few years ago but you never forget.

I don't know. I was hit once by a ParkZone stryker in a full power dive and did not know it hit me other then there was a bunch of foam in the air around me.

I would be more worried about mosquitoes then a foam model flying at 60 mph or less.

My brother inlaw hit me with a ParkZone J3 cub once while I was flying and all it did was leave a little mark on my arm from the prop shaft. I had a long sleeve shirt on so the prop it self did not get me.

I figure that as long as I don't get hit in the jewels then I should be fine.

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RE: Is the cost of the PPP membership fair to other ... - 3/27/2008 1:13:02 AM

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How about another choice: Yes, I think it's fair. since the risk of damage is low for park flyers, the extra $$ might keep the fees from going up to other AMA members!

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RE: Is the cost of the PPP membership fair to other... - 3/27/2008 1:28:17 AM

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If it was fair based on risk,
the FF Rubber guys should pay $1.99 a year, right?

Maybe the AMA should just go ahead and sell itself like Steak.
$1 per Ounce Flight Cap

2lb planes? $32
5lb planes? $80
70lb %60? $1100

so we get FF Rubber guys paying their fair share, $5 per year,
as well as the 1/2A cox049 crowd paying $20.

You wanna play with Giant Scale, then pay Giant Dues.
Oh, dont forget the $0.25/oz Turbine Kicker on that.

<edit: corected mixing oz & lb>

< Message edited by KidEpoxy -- 3/27/2008 2:22:56 AM >

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RE: Is the cost of the PPP membership fair to other AM... - 3/27/2008 1:30:25 AM

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That poll don't give you many options so I will say. To each his own. YES it is fair. Scott

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RE: Is the cost of the PPP membership fair to other AMA... - 3/27/2008 1:35:51 AM

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I didn't know that a 40% Edge powered by a DA spinning a 32" prop plus all the other features, fall at the 2 lb. or less

Scott

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ORIGINAL: STLPilot

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ORIGINAL: The Toolman

1 lb at 30 mph in the right place in the head can kill a person also. Imagine what it would do if they were hit square in the eye.....

Ronnie

Imagine if you were hit in the eye by a 40% Edge powered by a DA 150 spinning a a 32" CF prop at full speed. I think it's fair to say you wouldn't have to wonder if it would have to hit someone in the right place to kill them.

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RE: Is the cost of the PPP membership fair to other... - 3/27/2008 5:11:28 PM

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It doesn't really matter if the policy is fair or not. What's done is done. We can either embrace the policy and allow PPP flyers at our fields or we can dig our heals in and further divide the hobby. Personally, I think we welcome our PPP brethren into our clubs. Who knows, you might just make a new friend or two! As I previously stated, our dues structure is the same for all members, it is up to the AMA to set their dues structure. Do I think it is fair? It doesn't matter what I think, I wasn't given a vote in that matter, but that is a different discussion for a different day.

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RE: Is the cost of the PPP membership fair to other... - 3/27/2008 5:54:03 PM

KidEpoxy

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It doesn't really matter if the policy is fair or not. What's done is done.

Like the No Tail Touch Rule.

Carved
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Muncie
Stone.

Till it was changed by members making a stink over it. Not 51% of the AMA membership, but a relatively small number of members had that rule changed. Muncie does listen to what members say. And in this matter, folks against PPP list their reasoning, and many folks for PPP are for it just because it came out of Muncie.

This is not about whether 2lb Electric pilots should be welcome at AMA clubs.
In theory (and many places in fact) they always have been welcome & accepted as AMA peers.
Almost everyone that is against the PPP said those pilots would be welcome if they were full AMA members.
This is about should some of us get a $30 break on dues, and create a Serf underclass with no vote in their Org.

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RE: Is the cost of the PPP membership fair to other... - 3/27/2008 6:01:20 PM

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ORIGINAL: mscic-RCU

We can either embrace the policy and allow PPP flyers at our fields or we can dig our heals in and further divide the hobby.

So you agree that the PPP is divisive. Thats a start.

As far as I know, those who fly PF planes have always been welcome at clubs.

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RE: Is the cost of the PPP membership fair to other... - 3/27/2008 6:53:48 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy

quote:

It doesn't really matter if the policy is fair or not. What's done is done.

Like the No Tail Touch Rule.

Carved
In
Muncie
Stone.

Till it was changed by members making a stink over it. Not 51% of the AMA membership, but a relatively small number of members had that rule changed. Muncie does listen to what members say. And in this matter, folks against PPP list their reasoning, and many folks for PPP are for it just because it came out of Muncie.

This is not about whether 2lb Electric pilots should be welcome at AMA clubs.
In theory (and many places in fact) they always have been welcome & accepted as AMA peers.
Almost everyone that is against the PPP said those pilots would be welcome if they were full AMA members.
This is about should some of us get a $30 break on dues, and create a Serf underclass with no vote in their Org.

GREAT POST KE. Heck, I never thought about what a guy (Gal) flies or even if he/she flies, if they wanted to be full AMA and belong to the Club. Not a problem. This somewhat "forced entry" -- well -- that is a problem.

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RE: Is the cost of the PPP membership fair to other... - 3/27/2008 6:54:27 PM

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Till it was changed by members making a stink over it. Not 51% of the AMA membership, but a relatively small number of members had that rule changed. Muncie does listen to what members say. And in this matter, folks against PPP list their reasoning, and many folks for PPP are for it just because it came out of Muncie

Seeing you know that it was a relativley small group, would you say it was more or less then the current AMA members against the PPP?

S

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o you agree that the PPP is divisive. Thats a start.

State borders are divisive as well. But the framers banked on the fact that each state would remain part of the United States to keep it strong as a single Republic. Their gamble worked.

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RE: Is the cost of the PPP membership fair to other... - 3/28/2008 6:04:13 PM

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ORIGINAL: STLPilot

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o you agree that the PPP is divisive. Thats a start.

State borders are divisive as well. But the framers banked on the fact that each state would remain part of the United States to keep it strong as a single Republic. Their gamble worked.

Ah, but those states still get to vote in the federal election...

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RE: Is the cost of the PPP membership fair to other... - 3/28/2008 9:10:59 PM

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I think the baseline problem is the AMA is empowered to make changes without a membership vote. Perhaps it is time to change the bylaws so the total membership has to vote to approve items such as dues structure. I personally do not fly electric. I have tried it and I just don't like it. That is my choice. I hate to pay the 58 bucks each year too. However, if discounting the dues will bring the electric guys into the fold, then I say do it. As long as these guys\gals are flying in parks, schools and where ever else, there is a danger of causing problems for rest of us in the hobby. For example, if one of the PPP flyers would injure someone or cause property damage, the entire hobby would take the hit because the general public would not separate us from just people flying. No, I am not thrilled with PPP flyers getting a discount, buy like I said before, what's done is done. That being said, instead of being resentful of the PPP program, let's embrace it and bring these folks into the fold for the good of everyone in the hobby.

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RE: Is the cost of the PPP membership fair to other... - 3/28/2008 10:03:23 PM

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No, I am not thrilled with PPP flyers getting a discount, buy like I said before, what's done is done.

This is one of those misconceptions the new Tech Director was talking about in the article. Of course with no offense to you sir, I see this statement quite often on the forum, you are not the first.

A discount is a single product that has been ... well ... discounted. However the $58 product was not discounted for parkflyers. The PPP is a totally new product with much less benefits, 1/4 the magazine, no voting privileges and lower costs. $58 members as well as anyone else has the choice between the two products and it's their decision to make that choice.

So in essence if you want to continue to use the word "discount", the new PPP has been discounted for everyone, not just parkflyers. But you are right, we should ALL embrace and support our PPP's, which may or may not become $58 members one day, that's the goal.

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RE: Is the cost of the PPP membership fair to other... - 3/28/2008 10:26:05 PM

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State borders are divisive as well. But the framers banked on the fact that each state would remain part of the United States to keep it strong as a single Republic. Their gamble worked.

Its not like Gettysburg ever happened, guess all them folk didnt die in the war between the states.

Dude,
The gamble failed, so they switched to shooting folks that wanted tried to take their states back from the US.
Is that whats next for AMA?

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