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Is the cost of the PPP membership fair to other AMA members?


Yes, a 2lb plane traveling 60mph cant hurt anyone
  34% (29)
No, they are getting a better tiered rate than FF
  5% (5)
No, they are getting a better tiered rate than gliders
  1% (1)
No, they are getting a better tiered rate than 1/2a
  4% (4)
No, $58 bucks and $30 for family members for the right to vote!!!!
  53% (45)


Total Votes : 84


(last vote on : 4/11/2008 12:15:29 AM)
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RE: Is the cost of the PPP membership fair to other... - 3/30/2008 11:34:31 PM   
KidEpoxy



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I see STL is now promoting the PPP need to not fly at regular AMA fields.
That is what you meant by not using the turnpike, right,
the PPP need to just stay off the AMA turnpike so all the AMA Turnpikers dont have to deal with guys looking for change in the ashtray to feed the booths.

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RE: Is the cost of the PPP membership fair to other AM... - 3/31/2008 12:33:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ElectricFlyGuy

Gee, that makes a whole lotta sense. Make someone that buys a $$50 toy, to pay the same as someone that buys a $500 plane. Maybe if you buy a $500 car, you should pay the same in taxes as someone that buys a $10,000 car. Bout time this was catagorized. Leave my little planes outta it




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I believe Park Fliers should pay as much as all of us......Skip D





Its really weird, but when I go to the public golf course with my no name clubs I paid $150.00 for, I still have to pay the same rate as the guy who is playing with the custom made pings and the guys with $200.00 Callaway drivers...

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RE: Is the cost of the PPP membership fair to other... - 3/31/2008 3:12:30 PM   
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To me it is all about the amount of coverage I need. I don't need the same amount of coverage on my little Metro that I use for running around town as I need on my 98 Ram 1500. Metro cost me about 100 dollars and the ram run me about 9 grand when I bought it a few years ago.

Sure I would have to pay the same to use the roads just like paying full club dues but no need to have a huge insurance policy on a junk yard dog.

Like most have said. No one is looking for a reduced rate from the individual clubs. Want to use the clubs field then you need to pay to help keep it up.


Does the PPP effect the clubs in any way shape of form? Not from what I can tell other then that it could possibly bring in more members for the club.

You guys can do what you want with your clubs. If you perfer to keep the PPP group out because they are only paying for what they need to for their models then that is your choice. Send them to the parks were the possibility of them creating a bad veiw int he publics eyes increases. Or allow them in your club with their PPP card and keep them from causing problems with the public.


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RE: Is the cost of the PPP membership fair to other... - 3/31/2008 3:53:10 PM   
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I would like to thank STLPilot for correcting me in my last post. I do understand the PPP is a new product and not just a discounted full open membership. What I don't understand is all the "discussion" over this topic. As a "glow" guy, this really doesn't bother me. As president of our club, I think this is a good opportunity to increase our membership. At our meeting tonight, we will probably vote on an "electric only" night. In another thread I had, I was roasted for calling the AMA too fee oriented, basically told you have to pay to play. I don't understand then what the big deal is about a difference of 28 bucks a year! Bring them (PPP) in, collect your dues and go have fun. That is what this hobby is all about after all, having fun!

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RE: Is the cost of the PPP membership fair to other... - 3/31/2008 4:14:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mscic-RCU

I would like to thank STLPilot for correcting me in my last post. I do understand the PPP is a new product and not just a discounted full open membership. What I don't understand is all the "discussion" over this topic. As a "glow" guy, this really doesn't bother me. As president of our club, I think this is a good opportunity to increase our membership. At our meeting tonight, we will probably vote on an "electric only" night. In another thread I had, I was roasted for calling the AMA too fee oriented, basically told you have to pay to play. I don't understand then what the big deal is about a difference of 28 bucks a year! Bring them (PPP) in, collect your dues and go have fun. That is what this hobby is all about after all, having fun!



It is unfortunate that STL has that adverse effect on some with his erroneous perceptions but the AMA is not a service provider.

The AMA is a non-profit member based organization with a certain amount of benefits for its members with the stated goal of promoting the hobby as a worthwhile activity.

This PPP stuff will benefit us none and will not promote the hobby further but stands every chance of causing a downturn of that one facet of the hobby known as Park-Flying...as well as cause further divisiveness within the current ranks.


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RE: Is the cost of the PPP membership fair to othe... - 3/31/2008 9:49:57 PM   
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I definitely believe the AMA tripped over its own d_ _ k on this one. However, we are the ones that will let it become divisive if we let it. As I have stated before, what is done is done. It doesn't matter how the AMA did it, who did it or why it was done. IT IS DONE! So why don't we all be adults here and just accept it for what it is. If you don't want the additional membership in your club, that's ok and if you do, that's ok too. Until the general membership takes control of the AMA, they will continue to ramrod this stuff down our throats. That being said, our club plans to welcome PPP fliers. It is simply a business decision.

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RE: Is the cost of the PPP membership fair to othe... - 3/31/2008 10:09:05 PM   
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It is not Done.
It is Done waiting to be undone per member demand.

We have had AMA undo things before, soon we will have them undo this, and in future days we will have them undo things then.

If folks didnt ask for stuff we dont need to be undone,
we would still be in Prohibition,
and we would have a less than desirable Tail Touch rule.
AMA is a dynamic organization: It can change, and change back.
Done is not done, done is just the way it is now, but may change.

The sooner folks realize we will not go quiet under false declarations like Done Is Done,
the sooner we can stop shooting holes in that theory.

Everybody should get used to reading this,
cause I'm just going to be cutting & pasting this post the next 30 times folks try the Done Is Done swisscheese arguement.

Perhaps someone could demonstrate that the AMA doesnt change rules, programs, promotions to prove the Done Is Done arguement. That would be better than reciting teh tagline I have already shot holes in.

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RE: Is the cost of the PPP membership fair to othe... - 4/1/2008 12:24:43 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: mscic-RCU

I definitely believe the AMA tripped over its own d_ _ k on this one. However, we are the ones that will let it become divisive if we let it. As I have stated before, what is done is done. It doesn't matter how the AMA did it, who did it or why it was done. IT IS DONE! So why don't we all be adults here and just accept it for what it is. If you don't want the additional membership in your club, that's ok and if you do, that's ok too. Until the general membership takes control of the AMA, they will continue to ramrod this stuff down our throats. That being said, our club plans to welcome PPP fliers. It is simply a business decision.


Truer words could not be spoken..............



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RE: Is the cost of the PPP membership fair to othe... - 4/1/2008 12:34:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mscic-RCU

IT IS DONE! So why don't we all be adults here and just accept it for what it is.


I'd rather make the effort to correct it.

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RE: Is the cost of the PPP membership fair to other AM... - 4/1/2008 2:00:51 AM   
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The AMA Park Pilot Program is fair to "Open" members, but I didn't vote. The reason I didn't vote is because park fliers can be dangerous. Sure the membership costs less, but look at what you get: two million less in liability insurance, no accident/fire/theft/vandalism insurance, no flying at sanctioned events, and no voting privileges. That's fine since 'most' people purchasing that membership just want some help flying a little model and aren't interested in the inner workings of the AMA. It wouldn't be fair to the park pilots if they were charged the same as members without those additional privileges.

Gentleman, I'm a little nervous with some of the comments so just keep one thing in mind. Let me tell you a short story. In the middle of last season a father and son showed up at our club with a park flier. They were having trouble getting it off the ground, so they came to the field on a nice day for some advice. Me and a few other guys looked the plane over and gave some pointers. Shortly thereafter, they got the model flying and were having a blast. Fast forward to a couple months ago. I get a call from them explaining that they are now members, have a nitro trainer (avistar) and are looking to get soloed by an instructor (our club requires all pilots to demonstrate proficiency through a structured training program to ensure safety). After multiple outings to the field I solo the son. He was a quick learner and breezed through the training syllabus (because of the park flier). So what's the point? Well, I seriously doubt we would have this new member if he hadn't started with a park flier and received some free help at the field from a couple strangers one nice summer day. Next time somebody with a little park flier comes up for a pointer don't be so quick to dismiss him/her... He/she may just be your next member...

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RE: Is the cost of the PPP membership fair to othe... - 4/1/2008 2:18:12 AM   
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Nathan-
That example you gave about a PF guy getting help & then later joining as glow is great.
Good job, and may you get to repeat it for years to come.

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That is exactly what the PPP will allow to start happening.....
uh...
oh, it was already happening without the PPP last season.
Well lookie there, AMA was able to help a father & son without the PPP. AMA even got a member out of it, without the PPP. Amazing how well the members of AMA do without the ppp.

Try that scenario with them getting some PPP sales pitch,
or have the Pop & Son show up with a cox049 at a PPP Urban PF Club

hmmm.

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RE: Is the cost of the PPP membership fair to othe... - 4/1/2008 1:03:32 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy

Nathan-
That example you gave about a PF guy getting help & then later joining as glow is great.
Good job, and may you get to repeat it for years to come.

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That is exactly what the PPP will allow to start happening.....
uh...
oh, it was already happening without the PPP last season.
Well lookie there, AMA was able to help a father & son without the PPP. AMA even got a member out of it, without the PPP. Amazing how well the members of AMA do without the ppp.

Try that scenario with them getting some PPP sales pitch,
or have the Pop & Son show up with a cox049 at a PPP Urban PF Club

hmmm.


My post wasn't meant to say the PPP is absolutely not going to help, but I suppose you could look at it that way. IMHO the program seems a little half baked; it seems that the AMA is looking for another source of revenue to tap into. I think, however, that this program can be molded into something very promising. Time will tell...


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RE: Is the cost of the PPP membership fair to othe... - 4/1/2008 4:43:26 PM   
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Nathan:

You hit the nail on the head. The AMA is looking to capture lost membership and consequently, lost revenue. I stated that in my original post. Our club voted la