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RE: Nitroplanes 90" P-38 (1/7 scale) with 3 piece... - 2/27/2008 7:45:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		GG, would you happen to have any good pictures of any model J or later P-38s in Olive Drab over Grey with invasion stripes? I can only find a couple but not good side views to see the squadron and aircraft markings. I can find a lot in natural metal with stripes. It would be the early Js before the started shipping them in natural.

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RE: Nitroplanes 90" P-38 (1/7 scale) with 3 piec... - 2/27/2008 8:27:13 PM   
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Status: online 		Gary, Boxing in the wing area for a cockpit would work since the main spar is still there.
Can't wait to see what you come up with.

Look here for some good documentation photos, I'll do some more digging for invasion stripe photos.
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_6161417/mpage_3/tm.htm

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RE: Nitroplanes 90" P-38 (1/7 scale) with 3 piec... - 2/27/2008 8:48:32 PM   
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Status: online 		Gary, most of these are of Joltin Josie. Natural finish with stripes. I'll do some more digging for green versions.

Was doing a little looking on the web, there was once a super strafer version of the P38.
Eight, yes eight machine guns in the nose and a pod on each wing with two guns in each pod. Could you imagine the damage something like that could have caused?

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RE: Nitroplanes 90" P-38 (1/7 scale) with 3 piec... - 2/27/2008 9:22:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		GG, good stuff. I can't imagine being under that thing when it came roaring over!!!

There is a lot of wartime pictures of the natural aluminum D-day 38s, but the green is another story. My first choice is for war time pictures rather than restorations, because then I also get the weathered beat up details including foot prints and worn paint on top the wings. Some of the pictures I'm finding are of the planes some time in 44 after part of the stripes had been overpainted. If I have to, I will chose one of these if I can see the aircraft #s and just roll back the time to D-day and use the full stripes. I know one is out there somewhere waiting to be modeled. I've come this far and would like to find a full scale subject to model.

Next winter, maybe one with all the mods and done up in Flite Metal. What do ya think? For now, this one is staying green.

I'll be chopping into the cockpit in the next couple days. I need to open it up to get my air cylinder in the nose anyway. I got Robart's largest tank but it will still fit inside the gondola above the gear mount.

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RE: Nitroplanes 90" P-38 (1/7 scale) with 3 piece... - 2/28/2008 12:13:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here is one nicely 'used', that is the look I want to duplicate. I'd like to find one with this war weary look that was used on D-day.

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RE: Nitroplanes 90" P-38 (1/7 scale) with 3 piece... - 2/28/2008 12:47:54 AM   
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Status: online 		Well I'm having very little luck too on an olive drab version, couple of really poor shots in black and white.

I fired off an email to the P38 assoc., hopefully they may have some documentation on the green versions. I let you know what I hear.

Did find two photos though that you need to see. #1 look at the stripes on the wings, they are canted instead of running straight back. ???

#2 is just a crying shame. Imagine what all them would be worth today.


As for your finish, I'm going opposite. Mine's going to look like she just rolled off the factory floor. Bare minumum on lettering and such and a polished aluminum look. After flight trials, I'm going to send her off to Ron, at the metal shop and have her done in real aluminum. He does unbelievable work, coating the plane and adding the panel lines and rivits. He's done a Yellow and VQ version already, among some others, and they look like someone shrunk a real one.

Carry on.

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RE: Nitroplanes 90" P-38 (1/7 scale) with 3 piece... - 2/28/2008 12:58:24 AM   
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Well I'm having very little luck too on an olive drab version, couple of really poor shots in black and white.

I fired off an email to the P38 assoc., hopefully they may have some documentation on the green versions. I let you know what I hear.

Did find two photos though that you need to see. #1 look at the stripes on the wings, they are canted instead of running straight back. ???

#2 is just a crying shame. Imagine what all them would be worth today.


As for your finish, I'm going opposite. Mine's going to look like she just rolled off the factory floor. Bare minumum on lettering and such and a polished aluminum look. After flight trials, I'm going to send her off to Ron, at the metal shop and have her done in real aluminum. He does unbelievable work, coating the plane and adding the panel lines and rivits. He's done a Yellow and VQ version already, among some others, and they look like someone shrunk a real one.

Carry on.

Thanks for your help GG. The canted wing stripes is a new one but it doesn't really surprise me. It was done in the field and a lot of it over night at that. Not much time to make them nice and straight.

I want to do a 'showroom' one as well, but that will have to wait. I saw a thread on that 'plating' process that looks very authentic and didn't add as much weight as I would have thought either. Very cool. Pictures will be in order.

Working on more paint tonight. I'll have some more to show soon. I got the interior paint mixed at HD today so I'll be hitting the inside of the gear bays and such as well.

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RE: Nitroplanes 90" P-38 (1/7 scale) with 3 piece... - 2/28/2008 5:49:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Installed the air tank in the gondola. Got it in place, then used some spray foam around it to hold it against the top. The bottom of the tank is what you see through the nose.

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RE: Nitroplanes 90" P-38 (1/7 scale) with 3 piece... - 2/28/2008 5:59:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		The center wing section went into surgery today. After removing the top and bottom skin, and the center ribs from the spar box to the leading edge, I think this is going to work, and I can leave the leading edge. I'll add a ply doubler to it, but it will stay. I can't move the pilot back any further without doing surgery on him as well, but I think he is far enough back. I'll add the seat back to the top of the spar box so as not to lose any more room. I'm going to use 6MM Depron foam for all the cockpit panels, yoke, and radio gear. The whole mess won't weigh more than a couple onces. The paint and gauges in there will weigh more than the build outs.

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RE: Nitroplanes 90" P-38 (1/7 scale) with 3 piec... - 2/28/2008 3:00:26 PM   
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Status: online 		I see in the last photo you've switched to the Fred Flinstone landing gear. That's one tough pilot you got there.

Oh something else on the o/d with stripes. I found this little tid bit in my searches.

"Late model Lightnings were delivered unpainted, as per USAAF policy established in 1944. At first, field units tried to paint them, since pilots worried about being too visible to the enemy, but it turned out the reduction in weight was a minor plus in combat."

Might be why there are so few pics of a painted Lightning with stripes.

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RE: Nitroplanes 90" P-38 (1/7 scale) with 3 piec... - 2/28/2008 3:22:42 PM   
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I see in the last photo you've switched to the Fred Flinstone landing gear. That's one tough pilot you got there.

Oh something else on the o/d with stripes. I found this little tid bit in my searches.

"Late model Lightnings were delivered unpainted, as per USAAF policy established in 1944. At first, field units tried to paint them, since pilots worried about being too visible to the enemy, but it turned out the reduction in weight was a minor plus in combat."

Might be why there are so few pics of a painted Lightning with stripes.

Good one on the gear. I'm disparate, I told the pilot I'm having trouble getting this nose gear, and he said, well what about something like this? I said, no way, it will surely fold on landing .

Yes, I found the same info. There were some early Js still delivered in green, but very early in there production they were switched to natural as you also found, with a few being painted in the field. I may well be looking for a needle in a hay stack. I don't think this Lighting will look as good in metal with built up open bays in the wings and tail. If I do one in metal, I'll sheet these areas, and still have a lighter 90" than anything else out there. I think I will stay with the plan for this one and make it generic if I have to. Hope it doesn't come to this.

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RE: Nitroplanes 90" P-38 (1/7 scale) with 3 piec... - 2/28/2008 4:44:55 PM   
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Now see what you got me into, After finding the references to the Super Strafer variant, I've decided that's got to be what I'm going to model mine after.

I spent hours last night pouring over everything I could find on the net on 38's. And other then the references to it I can't find a single shot of her. Somebody, maybe somebody involved in the project had to have take shots of it.

Well if none surface, I'm building it anyway. At least then no one can say it isn't right if there's no documentation on it.

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