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Giant Scale Corsair ARF, Yes or No Poll
I want a giant scale Corsair ARF now!
  82% (217)
I would not buy a giant scale arf.
  17% (45)


Total Votes : 262
(last vote on : 10/7/2008 1:52:29 AM)
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Giant Scale Corsair ARF, Yes or No Poll - 1/19/2008 10:10:03 PM   
Whistling Death


 

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Status: offline 		This poll is to see if there is enough interest in Giant Scale Corsair ARFs in the 80" plus range. Would you buy one if Top Flight, Great Planes or Hanger 9 built one? Please send a not to the 2 links I have listed below as to let them know we want a big bird.
http://www.top-flite.com/suggest-a-plane.html
http://www.hangar-9.com/About/Contact.aspx


Note: This poll is for people who like Corsairs. If you don't like them then please don't participate. My motivation is to see if there is real interest in giant scale corsair arfs. Haters please stay away!



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RE: Giant Scale Corsair ARF, Yes or No Poll - 1/19/2008 11:03:16 PM   
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RE: Giant Scale Corsair ARF, Yes or No Poll - 1/19/2008 11:03:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Can you include a !00" size and a 1/4 scale size to your poll? Then you could truly call it GIANT SCALE! (F4U5's thirteen foot monster is way too big for the poll. Sorry Jeff)

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RE: Giant Scale Corsair ARF, Yes or No Poll - 1/19/2008 11:18:54 PM   
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Can you include a !00" size and a 1/4 scale size to your poll? Then you could truly call it GIANT SCALE! (F4U5's thirteen foot monster is way too big for the poll. Sorry Jeff)

Rebel

Hey Rebel. It has to be in the 80"+ range because anything bigger than that might be cost prohibitive for the companies and the flyers. If you have a Top Flight or Hanger 9 warbird arf it will run in the $500.00 + range. You end up spending around $1500.00 to go from box to the air. (This pricing is based off my experiance with a Hanger 9 giant scale P-47). I just figured that since Top Flite already has the kit and/or Hanger 9 has 2 war birds that size that it might be easier for them to put a corsair this size into production. I would preorder one right now.

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RE: Giant Scale Corsair ARF, Yes or No Poll - 1/19/2008 11:52:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		See the problem here is once you get to the 80"+ range Most ARF's are going to be prohibitive..

Ok say you get a response from 50 people. That is all good and well. But anyone making a ARF wants to sale 500 or more. Most of the stuff coming from China you have to buy a whole container load. I have heard about 250 kits. Say you pay $200 a kit. Now you have invested $50,000, You may sale 50-100 right off the bat but then you have to sit on the rest. as they go one by one and keep them store in a nice dry place..

There are just not that many people that like a Corsair. ( not trying to hurt your feelings). Once you get it here then starts the complainers on RCU that bad mouth your kit because its just not scale enough. Have you not seen the people that give KMP a hard time about some of their smaller ARF's.. I hope I am wrong. I just don't see it happening too soon..

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RE: Giant Scale Corsair ARF, Yes or No Poll - 1/20/2008 1:09:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		The reason people give KMP a hard time is because of some of the quality of their ARF kits doesn't altogether reflect the price you pay. How do I know this? Because I have one of their JU-87 Stukas. I don't even want to go there. Anyway you are going to have people ****ing and crying about even the most perfect arf anyone could build.

What is so prohibitve about a Corsair when companies already sell giants the same size we want? I wonder how many B-25s Top Flite and Hanger 9 have sold? Assuming the ARFs cost us over $500.00, if they sell that quick 100 then their whole order is payed for(going by your estimated pricing).

By the way, you didn't hurt my feelings. I want to know what everybody says about this. This discussion needs to happen, but if there aren't that many people that like the corsair, then why is it that Hanger 9 can't build their .60 size fast enough to meet the demand? Not to mention the Corsair thread are some of the largest threads on RCU. TopFlite build thread 40,000+ replies, H9 corsair thread, 20,000+ replies etc.,etc.. Somebody is interested in corsairs.......................

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RE: Giant Scale Corsair ARF, Yes or No Poll - 1/20/2008 1:36:27 AM   
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BBOWEN,

It wouldn't be difficult for a ARF manufacturer who already produces an ARF Corsair to offer one in another scale, or lets say 80" to 85".

Fact of the matter is, all the computer cad/vector drawings for all parts are in place. that is, they have done all of that already.

I produce model graphics. To enlarge or reduce a cad/vector drawing, takes a minute! In some cases even less. Which means, I can take a insigna layout for a Warplane at 65" and increase the same layout to 95" in less than a minute. Even 100" or 119" or reduce it to 20." It's simple, just a "select" type in the overall measurement then "click!" Not difficult at all.

So, the cad/vector drawings and the effort to produce them, at a larger scale, isn't a factor.

Tooling for assembly, added material and the labor process, not to leave out the box size, plus full color art for this box, is the added cost factor.

My guess is it could be considerable?

First thing that has to happen, is an agreement on size. If everyone wants a different size Corsair, the chance of it happening is less.

If 100-200 people agreed on an 80"-85" Corsair, someone might listen.

Put me down for two at this size. Go 90"-100" and I'd pass. I just can't afford models that large. :-(

What say?

Charles

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RE: Giant Scale Corsair ARF, Yes or No Poll - 1/20/2008 2:59:08 AM   
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Status: online 		Giant scale? YES!

Top Flite (or Great Planes)? NO!

UNLESS: it is a complete redign of the the old Top Flite. The Old Top Flite left a LOT to be disired as far as scale accuracy.

Frankly: I am on the lookout for a Byron/ Iron Bay kit. They were semi-ARF, and a whole lot better in the scale look of a Corsair. If someone comes out with an ARF (or better yet: ARC) simular to the Byron/ Iron Bay: I would definately be interested.

A Giant scale Corsair ARF is only worth doing, IF it is done RIGHT!

Make it a TRUE 1/6 scale (about 82" span).

AND: why not a true -1, instead of all the -1As and -1Ds? Or at least have the option?

BirdCage Corsairs RULE!

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RE: Giant Scale Corsair ARF, Yes or No Poll - 1/20/2008 3:15:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		I would love to see a Giant Scale ARC Corsair built from the Top Flite design. I agree 100% with CorsairJock that TF's offering is not true scale but I wouldn't be headed for competition with it. Rather, it would be just for me on weekends at the field so, in my never-to-be-humble opinion, it's close enough. Heck, their Mustang has its share of scale infidelity but so what. It's a great flying plane with excellent quality and a good buy for the buck.

Bring it on!!!!!

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RE: Giant Scale Corsair ARF, Yes or No Poll - 1/20/2008 4:58:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		Glad to here you chime in Jock. The only way to get a true scale bird is to build it from scratch. I don't have the guts to watch something, I spent 2 years building, flying straight into the ground. Anyway the motivation is not really scale but just to get someone to build one. It would have to be someone like Top Flite because they would keep in an acceptable price range.
I agree, Birdcages do rule! That would be totally unique. That is why I picked the H9, P-47.

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RE: Giant Scale Corsair ARF, Yes or No Poll - 1/20/2008 7:10:50 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Rebel Flyer

Can you include a !00" size and a 1/4 scale size to your poll? Then you could truly call it GIANT SCALE! (F4U5's thirteen foot monster is way too big for the poll. Sorry Jeff)

Rebel



agree, 80" these days is not Giant. 100" plus would be more appropriate. These is an 120" Corsair in Germany that is touted as being an "ARF" but it is very expensive.

The key contraint though to go to larger sizes is shipping. To make it economical you need to market globally and that means shipping globally. Buyers wont buy and ARF that costs as much to ship as it does to purchase.

Just my thrippance worth.

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RE: Giant Scale Corsair ARF, Yes or No Poll - 1/20/2008 10:36:25 AM   
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Glad to here you chime in Jock. The only way to get a true scale bird is to build it from scratch. I don't have the guts to watch something, I spent 2 years building, flying straight into the ground. Anyway the motivation is not really scale but just to get someone to build one. It would have to be someone like Top Flite because they would keep in an acceptable price range.
I agree, Birdcages do rule! That would be totally unique. That is why I picked the H9, P-47.


So,...........you are considering something along the lines of using existing and/ or previously designed kit, then assembling it and marketing it as an ARF and/ or ARF?

One of my biggest concerns with the Top Flite kits is the wingtips. Even Hangar 9 does a much better job of getting them right on their '.60 size' Corsair than Top Flite does.

Another concern is the fin/ rudder: not that difficult to make it right to begin with.

The flaps could use some improvement also.

Add a really nice, 'glass cowl with molded in flaps (mostly closed) and cowl attachment straps, and we could probably do the rest

Yes, it doesn't have to be perfect, but the Top Flite has a few very glaring/ noticable in-accuracies that could easily be fixed in the design and manufacturing process.

I don't know the status of the Byron/ Iron Bay stuff, but that would be one great starting point for an ARF/ ARC


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RE: Giant Scale Corsair ARF, Yes or No Poll - 1/20/2008 2:17:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Who wouldn't like a big Corsair ARF?!?! I find it hard to complain about little scale inaccuracies in ARF kits and even cheaper full build kits. If you want true scale lines and details you have always had to either scratch build or buy and expensive kit like Aerotech. I doubt that you will see many ARF's at Top Gun. Bring on the big Corsair...plenty good looking for stand off scale and impressing your flying buddies. I dont think that Top Flites GS ARF kit price is out of line...is your 6-12 months of build time worth $200?

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