Giant Scale Corsair ARF, Yes or No Poll

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I want a giant scale Corsair ARF now!

82% (217)

I would not buy a giant scale arf.

17% (45)

Total Votes : 262

(last vote on : 10/7/2008 1:52:29 AM)
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Whistling Death -> Giant Scale Corsair ARF, Yes or No Poll (1/19/2008 10:10:03 PM)
This poll is to see if there is enough interest in Giant Scale Corsair ARFs in the 80" plus range. Would you buy one if Top Flight, Great Planes or Hanger 9 built one? Please send a not to the 2 links I have listed below as to let them know we want a big bird. http://www.top-flite.com/suggest-a-plane.html http://www.hangar-9.com/About/Contact.aspx Note: This poll is for people who like Corsairs. If you don't like them then please don't participate. My motivation is to see if there is real interest in giant scale corsair arfs. Haters please stay away!

rwright142 -> RE: Giant Scale Corsair ARF, Yes or No Poll (1/19/2008 11:03:16 PM)
I enjoy building, so I would not buy an ARF.

Rebel Flyer -> RE: Giant Scale Corsair ARF, Yes or No Poll (1/19/2008 11:03:49 PM)
Can you include a !00" size and a 1/4 scale size to your poll? Then you could truly call it GIANT SCALE! (F4U5's thirteen foot monster is way too big for the poll. Sorry Jeff) Rebel

Whistling Death -> RE: Giant Scale Corsair ARF, Yes or No Poll (1/19/2008 11:18:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rebel Flyer Can you include a !00" size and a 1/4 scale size to your poll? Then you could truly call it GIANT SCALE! (F4U5's thirteen foot monster is way too big for the poll. Sorry Jeff) Rebel Hey Rebel. It has to be in the 80"+ range because anything bigger than that might be cost prohibitive for the companies and the flyers. If you have a Top Flight or Hanger 9 warbird arf it will run in the $500.00 + range. You end up spending around $1500.00 to go from box to the air. (This pricing is based off my experiance with a Hanger 9 giant scale P-47). I just figured that since Top Flite already has the kit and/or Hanger 9 has 2 war birds that size that it might be easier for them to put a corsair this size into production. I would preorder one right now.

hornplayer99 -> RE: Giant Scale Corsair ARF, Yes or No Poll (1/19/2008 11:52:13 PM)
See the problem here is once you get to the 80"+ range Most ARF's are going to be prohibitive.. Ok say you get a response from 50 people. That is all good and well. But anyone making a ARF wants to sale 500 or more. Most of the stuff coming from China you have to buy a whole container load. I have heard about 250 kits. Say you pay $200 a kit. Now you have invested $50,000, You may sale 50-100 right off the bat but then you have to sit on the rest. as they go one by one and keep them store in a nice dry place.. There are just not that many people that like a Corsair. ( not trying to hurt your feelings). Once you get it here then starts the complainers on RCU that bad mouth your kit because its just not scale enough. Have you not seen the people that give KMP a hard time about some of their smaller ARF's.. I hope I am wrong. I just don't see it happening too soon..

Whistling Death -> RE: Giant Scale Corsair ARF, Yes or No Poll (1/20/2008 1:09:00 AM)
The reason people give KMP a hard time is because of some of the quality of their ARF kits doesn't altogether reflect the price you pay. How do I know this? Because I have one of their JU-87 Stukas. I don't even want to go there. Anyway you are going to have people ****ing and crying about even the most perfect arf anyone could build. What is so prohibitve about a Corsair when companies already sell giants the same size we want? I wonder how many B-25s Top Flite and Hanger 9 have sold? Assuming the ARFs cost us over $500.00, if they sell that quick 100 then their whole order is payed for(going by your estimated pricing). By the way, you didn't hurt my feelings. I want to know what everybody says about this. This discussion needs to happen, but if there aren't that many people that like the corsair, then why is it that Hanger 9 can't build their .60 size fast enough to meet the demand? Not to mention the Corsair thread are some of the largest threads on RCU. TopFlite build thread 40,000+ replies, H9 corsair thread, 20,000+ replies etc.,etc.. Somebody is interested in corsairs.......................

Avaiojet -> RE: Giant Scale Corsair ARF, Yes or No Poll (1/20/2008 1:36:27 AM)
BBOWEN, It wouldn't be difficult for a ARF manufacturer who already produces an ARF Corsair to offer one in another scale, or lets say 80" to 85". Fact of the matter is, all the computer cad/vector drawings for all parts are in place. that is, they have done all of that already. I produce model graphics. To enlarge or reduce a cad/vector drawing, takes a minute! In some cases even less. Which means, I can take a insigna layout for a Warplane at 65" and increase the same layout to 95" in less than a minute. Even 100" or 119" or reduce it to 20." It's simple, just a "select" type in the overall measurement then "click!" Not difficult at all. So, the cad/vector drawings and the effort to produce them, at a larger scale, isn't a factor. Tooling for assembly, added material and the labor process, not to leave out the box size, plus full color art for this box, is the added cost factor. My guess is it could be considerable? First thing that has to happen, is an agreement on size. If everyone wants a different size Corsair, the chance of it happening is less. If 100-200 people agreed on an 80"-85" Corsair, someone might listen. Put me down for two at this size. Go 90"-100" and I'd pass. I just can't afford models that large. :-( What say? Charles www.cfcgraphics.com

CorsairJock -> RE: Giant Scale Corsair ARF, Yes or No Poll (1/20/2008 2:59:08 AM)
Giant scale? YES! Top Flite (or Great Planes)? NO! UNLESS: it is a complete redign of the the old Top Flite. The Old Top Flite left a LOT to be disired as far as scale accuracy. Frankly: I am on the lookout for a Byron/ Iron Bay kit. They were semi-ARF, and a whole lot better in the scale look of a Corsair. If someone comes out with an ARF (or better yet: ARC) simular to the Byron/ Iron Bay: I would definately be interested. A Giant scale Corsair ARF is only worth doing, IF it is done RIGHT! Make it a TRUE 1/6 scale (about 82" span). AND: why not a true -1, instead of all the -1As and -1Ds? Or at least have the option? BirdCage Corsairs RULE!

rrudytoo -> RE: Giant Scale Corsair ARF, Yes or No Poll (1/20/2008 3:15:36 AM)
I would love to see a Giant Scale ARC Corsair built from the Top Flite design. I agree 100% with CorsairJock that TF's offering is not true scale but I wouldn't be headed for competition with it. Rather, it would be just for me on weekends at the field so, in my never-to-be-humble opinion, it's close enough. Heck, their Mustang has its share of scale infidelity but so what. It's a great flying plane with excellent quality and a good buy for the buck. Bring it on!!!!! Al

Whistling Death -> RE: Giant Scale Corsair ARF, Yes or No Poll (1/20/2008 4:58:17 AM)
Glad to here you chime in Jock. The only way to get a true scale bird is to build it from scratch. I don't have the guts to watch something, I spent 2 years building, flying straight into the ground. Anyway the motivation is not really scale but just to get someone to build one. It would have to be someone like Top Flite because they would keep in an acceptable price range. I agree, Birdcages do rule! That would be totally unique. That is why I picked the H9, P-47.

Peter_OZ -> RE: Giant Scale Corsair ARF, Yes or No Poll (1/20/2008 7:10:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rebel Flyer Can you include a !00" size and a 1/4 scale size to your poll? Then you could truly call it GIANT SCALE! (F4U5's thirteen foot monster is way too big for the poll. Sorry Jeff) Rebel agree, 80" these days is not Giant. 100" plus would be more appropriate. These is an 120" Corsair in Germany that is touted as being an "ARF" but it is very expensive. The key contraint though to go to larger sizes is shipping. To make it economical you need to market globally and that means shipping globally. Buyers wont buy and ARF that costs as much to ship as it does to purchase. Just my thrippance worth. cheers Peter

CorsairJock -> RE: Giant Scale Corsair ARF, Yes or No Poll (1/20/2008 10:36:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BBOwen Glad to here you chime in Jock. The only way to get a true scale bird is to build it from scratch. I don't have the guts to watch something, I spent 2 years building, flying straight into the ground. Anyway the motivation is not really scale but just to get someone to build one. It would have to be someone like Top Flite because they would keep in an acceptable price range. I agree, Birdcages do rule! That would be totally unique. That is why I picked the H9, P-47. So,...........you are considering something along the lines of using existing and/ or previously designed kit, then assembling it and marketing it as an ARF and/ or ARF? One of my biggest concerns with the Top Flite kits is the wingtips. Even Hangar 9 does a much better job of getting them right on their '.60 size' Corsair than Top Flite does. Another concern is the fin/ rudder: not that difficult to make it right to begin with. The flaps could use some improvement also. Add a really nice, 'glass cowl with molded in flaps (mostly closed) and cowl attachment straps, and we could probably do the rest Yes, it doesn't have to be perfect, but the Top Flite has a few very glaring/ noticable in-accuracies that could easily be fixed in the design and manufacturing process. I don't know the status of the Byron/ Iron Bay stuff, but that would be one great starting point for an ARF/ ARC

ForktailedDevil38 -> RE: Giant Scale Corsair ARF, Yes or No Poll (1/20/2008 2:17:31 PM)
Who wouldn't like a big Corsair ARF?!?! I find it hard to complain about little scale inaccuracies in ARF kits and even cheaper full build kits. If you want true scale lines and details you have always had to either scratch build or buy and expensive kit like Aerotech. I doubt that you will see many ARF's at Top Gun. Bring on the big Corsair...plenty good looking for stand off scale and impressing your flying buddies. I dont think that Top Flites GS ARF kit price is out of line...is your 6-12 months of build time worth $200?

JimoCooper -> RE: Giant Scale Corsair ARF, Yes or No Poll (1/20/2008 2:51:30 PM)
Thought I'd chime in... I am a HUGE Corsair fan (and a huge CORSAIR fan...big ones are better) I would buy an arf...I just refinished a Kyosho arf (60 size) and the Kyosho is about the only ARF Corsair I've seen that actually has a closely accurate outline. I made a new cowling for it, and it looked the part. I changed the wing and tail incidence on a Top Flite Corsair 1/8 scale. I had several of them, and to me, they look like they were "mushing" through the air tail low. Comparisons to the real thing showed me that Top Flite designers had changed these things...and I have no idea why. After changing the incidences, I flew it and it really stepped up and flew like a Corsair...didn't look like a mush. I think it flew better than my other ones. It is hard for me to leave an arf paintjob alone, since they usually pick some popular color scheme, and I'm a builder, usually having to choose my own. I would buy a big ARF Corsair, though only likely to have as an everyday flyer (though I rarely get to fly everyday!!!) I have a set of Brian Taylor plans for an 82 inch bird, and it is amazingly scale and detailed. I recently blew up my plans 120%, so that it is exact 1/5 scale, and let me tell you, this is going to be the neatest Corsair when finished. Glad for this thread. Here's a picture of my re-worked Kyosho arf Corsair...60 inch wingspan, I believe. Jim

P-51B -> RE: Giant Scale Corsair ARF, Yes or No Poll (1/20/2008 4:16:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BBOwen quote: ORIGINAL: Rebel Flyer Can you include a !00" size and a 1/4 scale size to your poll? Then you could truly call it GIANT SCALE! (F4U5's thirteen foot monster is way too big for the poll. Sorry Jeff) Rebel Hey Rebel. It has to be in the 80"+ range because anything bigger than that might be cost prohibitive for the companies and the flyers. If you have a Top Flight or Hanger 9 warbird arf it will run in the $500.00 + range. You end up spending around $1500.00 to go from box to the air. (This pricing is based off my experiance with a Hanger 9 giant scale P-47). I just figured that since Top Flite already has the kit and/or Hanger 9 has 2 war birds that size that it might be easier for them to put a corsair this size into production. I would preorder one right now. Since 80"+ is everything bigger than that, take a look here: these guys have one coming out at 103" span; http://www.rcscaleallcomposite.com/ Highly prefabbed kit that may fill some needs...when it comes out.

Whistling Death -> RE: Giant Scale Corsair ARF, Yes or No Poll (1/20/2008 6:26:18 PM)
P-51B, That is really a pretty bird but too big and expensive for me. Cosair Jock, You are right , it wouldn't take much for TF or H9 to make the lines of the bird more scale. I don't know why they don't in the first place. With the design packages and laser cutters out there today, theres really no excuse for it. If H9 built it I know you would get a nice fiberglass cowl. The H9, P-47 and the .60 corsair I have from them both have nice cowls. I wish they would do like SIG is doing with their new P-51B. They left all the decals off so you can put them on or do your own thing. On my H9 birds, the first thing I did was peel all the decals off. I have a new vinyl cutter coming in tomorrow, so I am going to be cuttting my own decals, stencils and monokote with it.

Rocketman612 -> RE: Giant Scale Corsair ARF, Yes or No Poll (1/20/2008 9:24:41 PM)
"Build it and they will come" [:D] That's what I think of a GOOD Corsair ARF in the size your talking about. Pete

Whistling Death -> RE: Giant Scale Corsair ARF, Yes or No Poll (1/20/2008 9:33:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rocketman612 "Build it and they will come" [:D] That's what I think of a GOOD Corsair ARF in the size your talking about. Pete Ha Ha! Good One. 45 sold so far and this thread is only 24 hours old.....................................

kahloq -> RE: Giant Scale Corsair ARF, Yes or No Poll (1/21/2008 7:03:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JimoCooper I would buy an arf...I just refinished a Kyosho arf (60 size) and the Kyosho is about the only ARF Corsair I've seen that actually has a closely accurate outline. I made a new cowling for it, and it looked the part. Here's a picture of my re-worked Kyosho arf Corsair...60 inch wingspan, I believe. Jim Very nicely detailed Kyosho F4U. I have this same plane. Wingspan is 58" and its a 40 size :) Did you make the tail wheel retractable?

Solstice -> RE: Giant Scale Corsair ARF, Yes or No Poll (1/21/2008 8:45:35 AM)
I don't know the scale, but I would like about 85 - 89". I would like it to be able to handle 50cc to about 80cc. 1350 sqin wing area and 20 lbs for the 50cc, I think 1500 sqin and 25 lbs if an 80cc is used. It would be very nice if the flaps were reasonably scale, even if a number of air cylinders are needed to actuate them. Naturally scale retracts and doors would be HIGHLY desirable. If scale and quality were good I think $500 - 550 for the 50cc (retracts extra of course) and up to 650 for the 80cc. I would be open to the idea of a TF arf of their kit, I would hope they could make some improvements like folks have suggested. I don't know who else has a good kit of the Corsair, I think Meister Scale had one some time back. I don't think scale was very good, don't recall. It was pretty big.

mirwin -> RE: Giant Scale Corsair ARF, Yes or No Poll (1/21/2008 3:00:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BBOwen " . . . They left all the decals off so you can put them on or do your own thing. On my H9 birds, the first thing I did was peel all the decals off . . . . . " BBOwen How do you peel off the H9 decals. I have the same complaint, and have been thinking about stripping some of the decals off of my H9 1.50 P-47. Thanks, Mike

tevans55 -> RE: Giant Scale Corsair ARF, Yes or No Poll (1/21/2008 3:26:59 PM)
mirwin- I just peeled the decals off my H9 Corsair last nite. All I had to do was start at one of the corners with my finger nail and it peeled right off. I was surprised that there wasn't any glue residue also. After I removed the decals I cleaned the surface with some rubbing alcohol and ironed on new decals.

Whistling Death -> RE: Giant Scale Corsair ARF, Yes or No Poll (1/21/2008 3:43:46 PM)
mirwin, Like tevans 55 said, they peel off pretty easy with your fingernail. I hand cut some new letters and numbers out of monokote, applied them with windex. They look pretty good. Solstice, Don't forget about Hanger 9. I believe they would make a nice corsair arf. I like every thing I have seen so far on my giant P-47. The flaps on it have internal hardwear so maybe the corsair woul be the same way.

SCALECRAFT -> RE: Giant Scale Corsair ARF, Yes or No Poll (1/21/2008 4:17:28 PM)
No sense or reason but here I go for what its worth In 1991 we used to put out a 54" span all composite Corsair. It was the most ordered model due to the fact that the wing was fully prefabricated composite. It was also pretty scale looking and impressive to the above average arf modeler. Properly CGed it was most forgiving, like a trainer. According to my research at the time, the Corsair out sold the P-51 in plastic models. Normally, the average modeler looks at the profile of an airframe, concentrating on the nose, canopy, and tail sections generally. You'll always have the guy who loves an airframe and will point out everything that fell short. I do that with BF109s'. If you can get these direct from China and keep as many importers hands off the model as possible, you could offer a pretty good value. Imagine if you have to pay someone in England to get a model, thats almost $2 US To 1 pound.Maybe more. The dollar is cheap right now. Also, our economy is slowing. Way less disposable income. For me, in my household finance, the hobby takes the most disposable dollars I have after everything and everyone gets what they need/want first. As mentioned before, the first few will sell quickly, but in this arena, volume is not the norm. Its too specialized. And imagine the cost of retracts Still, good luck with your venture. steve

Whistling Death -> RE: Giant Scale Corsair ARF, Yes or No Poll (1/21/2008 4:58:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SCALECRAFT No sense or reason but here I go for what its worth In 1991 we used to put out a 54" span all composite Corsair. It was the most ordered model due to the fact that the wing was fully prefabricated composite. It was also pretty scale looking and impressive to the above average arf modeler. Properly CGed it was most forgiving, like a trainer. According to my research at the time, the Corsair out sold the P-51 in plastic models. Normally, the average modeler looks at the profile of an airframe, concentrating on the nose, canopy, and tail sections generally. You'll always have the guy who loves an airframe and will point out everything that fell short. I do that with BF109s'. If you can get these direct from China and keep as many importers hands off the model as possible, you could offer a pretty good value. Imagine if you have to pay someone in England to get a model, thats almost $2 US To 1 pound.Maybe more. The dollar is cheap right now. Also, our economy is slowing. Way less disposable income. For me, in my household finance, the hobby takes the most disposable dollars I have after everything and everyone gets what they need/want first. As mentioned before, the first few will sell quickly, but in this arena, volume is not the norm. Its too specialized. And imagine the cost of retracts Still, good luck with your venture. steve So is that a no? Retracts for a TF giant corsair are $289.99 tail retract $109.99. If H9 builds one you will get mechanical retacts with the model, if it is like their other giants. TF just put out a .60 P-51 w/ mechanical retracts so maybe they are getting the message. Yes we know the first few will sell qucikly, I just wonder what they were thinking when they put the B-25 out? Talk about specialized. The thing is, I have seen people step up to buy the B-25 that didn't really have an interest in them untill TF and H9 came out with them.

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