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Ailerons on stinger 10 - 1/21/2008 5:57:12 AM   
Mr. Mugen



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Status: offline 		Did anyone use bigger ailerons on their stinger 10? They just look so out of proportion. I know it's a trainer but it seems like they are still too small. Is it just me? How does it roll? Fast, slow?

I got the tail feathers on and secured and wing joined so far. Looking to finish it soon.

Also, what servo's are you's using? I see in the pics they show standard servo's. There is no way I am doing that but was curious what you's run. I was thinking hs-81's would be suffice.

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RE: Ailerons on stinger 10 - 1/21/2008 11:17:43 AM   
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Status: online 		Umm, never having had a Stinger I could not say specifically, but if it is a trainer I doubt seriously it will roll fast. A trainer should not do hardly anything fast to give the trainee more time to react to common situations. Also for those uncommon situations!

Are you wanting fast rolls? If so are ya sure you need a trainer? Or do you want a trainer that will bore huge holes in the sky while rolling like a high speed drill? If you want performance that is not like a trainer, there are plenty of others available.

Generally it does not take very much to make a plane change attitude in the sky. Large control surfaces and large deflection of these control surfaces is not warranted unless you are trying to do more extreme flying.

There was a related question titled "Control Surface Deflection" recently here:
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_6855130/tm.htm
I hope this sheds more light.

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RE: Ailerons on stinger 10 - 1/21/2008 12:29:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Stinger 10? A trainer? What gives you that idea?

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RE: Ailerons on stinger 10 - 1/21/2008 12:54:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		It shows full size but the picture is not right. You have to use micro servo's is put in HC81's and had to redo the openings. They are not long enough. So make sure you redo the aileron cutout before epoxing in. I also striped one HC81 on the wing and went to HC81MG for it. Measure the opening and try to find something that fits or rework the openings now.

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RE: Ailerons on stinger 10 - 1/21/2008 2:54:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Welll in the description it was called a mid wing trainer. I dont make this crap up. I do not need a trainer either so yes a faster rolling bird is what I am after.

Any chance anyone has one that has bigger ailerons that can pipe in?

I plan to use 81's for sure. I do have a few extra gear sets here to convert one to MG.

Anyone?

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RE: Ailerons on stinger 10 - 1/21/2008 4:42:21 PM   
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Status: online 		MM, I agree that little stubby control surfaces don't look right. They aren't as effective for finite control in some applications, they can get masked by the airfoil easier. A flap with more chord will enter the slip stream sooner, with less angle involved. This contributes to smoothness over using those stubby airbrakes. For a 1/2A model, 7/8" wide is as low as I go. If you can work it into the Stingers' design, then go for it.

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RE: Ailerons on stinger 10 - 1/21/2008 6:11:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Stinger has been around for years. In this age of slow flying 3d models the surfaces do indeed look way too small. But this is not a model intended for slow flying 3D stuff. It comes from the day where the models were intended to be flown fast and furiously. Keep the speed up to a reasonable rate and it'll fly and snap roll just fine assuming you use around 30 degrees of throw either side of neutral. Even near stall it'll have lots of authourity although, again, it won't have the snapiness of the 3D models.

The benifit is that you're in far less risk of flutter at the higher speeds with the narrow surfaces.

And regardless of what the box says it was never intended as a first aileron trainer although I suppose with reduced throws it could be.


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RE: Ailerons on stinger 10 - 1/21/2008 6:45:23 PM   
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Status: online 		To illustrate a point with extremes, set up a 9 " chord, 1" thick airfoil flying wing with .5" chord elevons......fly it a few times and note how it behaves from the moment it leaves your hand, 'till the time it lands. Then add another .5" chord to those elevons and take note of that. I think the broader flaps make the plane groove better.

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RE: Ailerons on stinger 10 - 1/21/2008 8:13:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well it has a 7 3/4" chord and a 3/4" aileron. I suppose with the intended speed it will do fine. I am putting a OS.10 in it. I am sure it will be fine or they wouldn't have made them for as long as they did. Just a weird look I guess.

Kevin

Now that I look at the old warlock the it looks the same. I guess the design of the era shows here. I think it's growing on me.

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RE: Ailerons on stinger 10 - 1/21/2008 8:32:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		I had one back in the 90's and powered it with an OS Max .15. It was plenty fast and mauverable, I lost mine doing outside snaps in a dive (throttled back, I would usually hold that till it broke into an inverted spin) when the wing mounting block ripped out. Check that and reinforce as necessary. Mine was back when the Futaba S133 was the micro servo (they look huge now).

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RE: Ailerons on stinger 10 - 1/22/2008 12:46:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		So, does anybody have photos of this plane? I once started on a kit, but had to sell it. I am thinking about another one, possibly the ARF that's on sale at Tower Hobbies. Any experience there? Is there no demand for this make and model, either in the .10 or .40 size? I suppose the trend these days is in the U-Can-Do 3Ds and Mustangs (everybody and the neighbor's dog has one).

NorfolkSouthern

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RE: Ailerons on stinger 10 - 1/22/2008 1:54:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: NorfolkSouthern

So, does anybody have photos of this plane?


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RE: Ailerons on stinger 10 - 1/22/2008 2:34:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		I need to recover mine. I do not like the covering scheme at all. It is a rainbow......

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RE: Ailerons on stinger 10 - 1/22/2008 3:03:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		Andrew: I was not referring to stock photos, sorry.

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RE: Ailerons on stinger 10 - 1/22/2008 3:40:01 AM