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RE: Ailerons on stinger 10 - 5/9/2008 2:05:51 AM

MJD

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I'm always amazed at the broad spectrum of opinions and expectations with respect to weight, wing loading and overall flying capability. So far everything I've ever seen offered by Lanier has been at best mediocre, at worst unusable. I think the Stinger was designed by a guy named Bubba Spivey? Guys named Bubba should stick to designing earth moving equipment and freight train suspensions, not small model planes .

Weight issues kit to kit aside, the Stinger as an aerodynamic package flies superbly. Mind you it is hard to go too wrong with a mid-wing inline 0-0-0 package with generous areas and control surfaces (for the time), although aircraft like the Hots and Stinger were early offerings in that line of thinking which spawned myriad profiles and otherwise along similar lines from that point forward. But in terms of kit offerings oh yeah, I'm with you 100%. Someone once gave me one of their early '90's era ARF's, forget the name but a low wing trike gear sport aero model for old .40's or modern .25's size-wise. I never could bring myself to finish it. But I understand that once built they do fly, I keep hearing that 2nd or 3rd hand and I have no reason to doubt it. Perhaps they are a gauntlet in one's development as an R/C flier, after which you are awarded a merit badge for Courage, Patience & Perserverance and then allowed to progress to early Sterling R/C scale offerings, like the Waco SRE. I could have built three sets of interior doors from the doorskin in that box. Shame it was so difficult to remove the die-crushed parts from the sheets, or that even if you could pry them out successfully they rarely mated well with anything else. Perhaps I am being a bit harsh, but I thought it was a complete POS and gave up on it. Luckily it cost me nothing. Oops, I digress..

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RE: Ailerons on stinger 10 - 5/9/2008 2:39:24 AM

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The big Stingers are supposed to be a real gas if they are given enough power. I think it is a rare individual would would know just how light you can go in all size ranges. I would be totally lost trying to scratch build anything over .40 sized.
I'll bet a scratch built .10 sized Stinger [with landing gear] could be built half a pound lighter and the difference in the air would be like night and day.

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RE: Ailerons on stinger 10 - 5/9/2008 3:05:12 AM

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Well it did not fly. It didn't hardly wanna roll down the runway. I just stuck 2 os15's in my cart. One for this and one for my next lil extra. Til then....

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RE: Ailerons on stinger 10 - 5/9/2008 4:20:41 AM

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I recently build a Stinger 10 last year and it is not a trainer. It will roll REALLY FAST AS IT IS.

It is a heavy plane compared to other planes similar in size so .10 engine will be not enough.(IT WILL FLY). I tried several brands on similar size engines and the best engine for me has been the magnum .15 in this size planes. (enya .09, la .10, la .15, Norvel big Mig .15, Magnum .15)

Gear used:

3 hs 81 acelarator, ruder, elevator (hobbico CS-12 are the same)
1 hs 81 metar gear ailerons

Norvel big Mig 15 (has less power than the magnum 15) Will recomend magnum .15 it is the same size as the OS .10 but with testoterone.

RECOMENDATIONS

1. Dont use the spruce wood to join the elevator halves. They flex in flight. REPLACE IT WITH PIANO WIRE.
2. My plane needed to shim the engine to the rigth to be able to go vertical straight up, as the above mod.

Flying

1. It is hard to taxi this plane and keep it straight in the runaway. Push the tail wheel againts the runaway and as the plane picks speed realease the elevator input.

2. Well adjusted it is really acrobatic. I even entered a IMAC competition with it. Of coures I was no match for the bigger planes I was against but waa trying to make a statement to the trend of buying 50 CC and up airplanes at my flyng field.

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Juan

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RE: Ailerons on stinger 10 - 5/9/2008 5:09:35 AM

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Well I just ordered a 15la and a 15cva. I think the cva will go on this one. I would like to mess with my other 15 and see if port and polish does anything like it does to my buggy engines.

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RE: Ailerons on stinger 10 - 5/9/2008 5:56:25 AM

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Have you tried different 7x3 props with the .10?
The CVA will have practically twice the power of a .10 The engine that would really put any .15 sized plane over the top is a MVVS .21. I've seen 2 of them in action and would like to run across a new one someday.

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RE: Ailerons on stinger 10 - 5/10/2008 12:26:25 AM

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I decided to find a kit into which to stuff a Magnum GP.10 that has been mothballed for years. Saw the Stinger 10 ARF on closeout sale at Tower a few weeks ago and figured I'd give it a try. It had a couple of minor design errors, but the materials and craftsmanship were very good. Assembled and ready to fly (not quite), it weighed in at 36oz. 270mA battery, 4-channel receiver, 1 mini servo for the ailerons and 3 micros.

I thought 36oz was reasonable with 270 sq in of wing; however, with everything in the bow, she was still tail heavy. I added 2oz of lead to the motor mount and that put the CG at the aft limit of the recommended position. I figured it would be a bit "maneuverable" at that location, but flyable. It was right on the edge, flying me as much as the other way around. Added 2 more oz of lead and now she flys like an aircraft...a 40oz., .10 powered aircraft. Takeoff is realistic...fairly slow climbout. Flys nicely, cruises at 3/4 throttle; but, it is necessary to go full throttle, think ahead, and trade energy in order to do most aerobatics. Aileron size is fine and roll rate is good at the recommended settings.

The ARF has negative incidence built into the wing saddle. I don't care for that with a fully symmetrical wing, but it works. It gives the aircraft a nose-high attitude for landing; sorta nice. Good little plane, but I will certainly end up swapping in a .15 sooner or later...and then be looking for a kit into which to stuff a Magnum GP.10.

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RE: Ailerons on stinger 10 - 5/12/2008 3:39:23 AM

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Additional Stinger 10 techincal info gathered today:

This aircraft can produce an impressive crash scene when planted in the middle of the runway during a full throttle, vertical approach.

Trust me on this one, a GP.10 provides ample power for this maneuver.

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RE: Ailerons on stinger 10 - 5/12/2008 4:32:02 AM

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Are you planning to rebuild a new one? I am not even trying to fly this plane without more power. Our field will not allow smooth take offs with these small planes. They simply need nuts or they dont move. I thought about hand launching it the other day but figured I would have a pile of firewood that would only burn for 30 seconds.

Kevin

Sorry to hear about your crash. More details?

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RE: Ailerons on stinger 10 - 5/14/2008 2:08:11 AM

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More crash details? Pilot Error. Rolling above the runway at "not high enough altitude", through the sun, and then blindly and incorrectly guessing which way was up. Lots of little pieces.

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RE: Ailerons on stinger 10 - 5/14/2008 4:29:09 AM

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Roger that! Sorry to hear anyway no matter how it happened. I received my 2 15's today from tower. I think I am going to put the 15la in this plane and making a hot rod extra with the cv-a.

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RE: Ailerons on stinger 10 - 5/16/2008 4:14:46 AM

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I think you will be very happy with that Stinger 10 and 15LA combination. It was a fun plane to fly with a .10, but your .15 will make it just right. I bench-ran a GP.15 and had it ready to mount, but there's no firewall to mount it to anymore...

When I get time, I'll finish rebuilding my pile of Stinger wood. With the help of some JB Weld, the muffler looks like a muffler again. I tore the little .10 all the way down; it is fine despite initial impressions. The fuse is gone from the CG forward, but the aft end is good as new. One wing was damaged and the two halves separated, but I've started on those repairs. The canopy and cowl...well, sorta mashed/mangled. I'll probably push the firewall further forward (to solve the tail-heavy problem) and come up with something new for a nose and cowl. It will be a Stinger-Mash 10.

And, look what arrived in the Big Brown Truck today! Looks like a Herr Little Extra. I don't know if I can keep my hands off that box until the Stinger is fixed...

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RE: Ailerons on stinger 10 - 5/16/2008 4:19:27 AM

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I got my little extra today as well. I am very happy with that plane. I think I will always bring it to the field no matter what. It is so damn reliable! I cannot get over the tunability and relability of these small OS engines. I am tickled. I am almost finished with the sukhoi on the bench so I will get the stinger up on it this weekend if I have time. I wonder if this would make a good muscle plane? I mean this plane is built like no other I have seen.....would a 25 fly? I have 2 of them sitting and collecting dust.

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RE: Ailerons on stinger 10 - 5/22/2008 3:11:44 AM

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Well the 10 is in the box again until a lighter plane pokes it's head up over the crowded bench. I got the 15 installed and ready for break in. Might get time to maiden this weekend.

Kevin

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