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RE: apache owners - 9/25/2010 11:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		Im sure theres plenty left in that yet,doesnt sound as if its hitting the high notes yet bit more tweaking and you should be up in the low 40s asuming its a stock engine? if modded id be looking at high 40s to low 50s maybe a tad more .
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RE: apache owners - 9/25/2010 9:05 PM   
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Im sure theres plenty left in that yet,doesnt sound as if its hitting the high notes yet bit more tweaking and you should be up in the low 40s asuming its a stock engine? if modded id be looking at high 40s to low 50s maybe a tad more .
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Ya its a stock 26cc sikk I was able to get it up to 43mph with a unknown 3 blade aluminum prop I hope to run maybe a better prop and see what it can do. But Im happy with it so far not the fatest but really fun to run.


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RE: apache owners - 9/25/2010 10:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Try a 6717/3 ,7015/3 those two are good props for these hulls even with stock engines and the sikk has a bit more hp than a stock zen anyway.I run the 6717/3 as does a customer,hes running mid 50s im arround 48 but still have some tweaking to do yet both with modded zens.
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RE: apache owners - 9/25/2010 10:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		I plan on trying the new rcmk inline in a cut down apache hull with this new top,she will be called the Arrow.Heres a pic of the plug,i hope to have it ready to mould off next week and start producing them shortly after.
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RE: apache owners - 9/26/2010 10:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh Man!!  I have always wondered if mine got a way and went into the side of a fiberglass hull, that would cause some damage.  I bet it left a mark on that pontoon also.  I will sure add this to my parts list.


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Also, I never ran a kill switch back in the day.  I ran a fail safe but it only returned the throttle to idle.  Guess if I had a kill switch on my old enforcer it would have never hit the steel wall.  I guess this is standard?


We just ran the shootout here at LOTO and learned a really hard lesson about fail safes vs kill switches the switch gear failed in a friend's boat and his fail safe did not have the power necessary to return the throttle servo to "safe" position...the boat ran full song into the side of the pontoon boat tied up on the dock. Both the pontoon owner AND the RC boat owner were none-too happy and the RC boat is a total loss. Thank GOODNESS no one was hurt. Had he been using an RC Kill Switches Killer Bee or an Isamtec kill switch it would have grounded the ignition and the boat would have drifted to a safe hault WELL before the boat or dock was in proximity.

Long story short: the $100 KILL SWITCH is the BEST investment you can make on your hobby, you and your loved ones' safety, AND the long term use of all of our running spots so we can continue to grow our hobby...

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RE: apache owners - 9/26/2010 10:34 PM   
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I don't know what to say about that. They have them for sale on the US site. BTW never deal with the US guy, I'll warn this one time and won't say another word about it.

I'm posting the link here but it maybe removed by the admins since the US chap seems to have a problem with us sometimes. If the links below are removed search the MHZ for "Quicktrim".

http://www.mhzusa.com/Quicktrim-vI-Z-drive-vI-vII-vII-S6-vI-m-1729-v1.htm?categoryId=-1
http://www.mhzusa.com/Quicktrim-vIII-S6vII-vIII-m-1729-v3.htm?categoryId=-1



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RE: apache owners - 9/27/2010 4:54 AM   
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Is the best way to get in touch with the Germany MHZ through email?  Sorry have not looked at the site yet just following along with your post, not really ready to order either.


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I don't know what to say about that. They have them for sale on the US site. BTW never deal with the US guy, I'll warn this one time and won't say another word about it.

I'm posting the link here but it maybe removed by the admins since the US chap seems to have a problem with us sometimes. If the links below are removed search the MHZ for ''Quicktrim''.

http://www.mhzusa.com/Quicktrim-vI-Z-drive-vI-vII-vII-S6-vI-m-1729-v1.htm?categoryId=-1
http://www.mhzusa.com/Quicktrim-vIII-S6vII-vIII-m-1729-v3.htm?categoryId=-1




I was out of town the past two days. Yes email is the best way but I understand that they have a young lady that speaks english and is very helpful over the phone. This the link to the German site. http://www.mhz-powerboats.com/


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RE: apache owners - 9/27/2010 6:23 PM   
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So, hello again to all!

Have been doing some very serious thinking in regards to the engine/drive setup for the Cigarette AMG apache discussed.

I narrowed it down to two possible solutions:
1) RCMK S520 twin engine, WD200 gearbox 1 (1:1 ratio), twin MHZ Z-drives, front mounted pipes
2) RCMK S254evo + S254evoR engines, twin MHZ Z-drives, front mounted pipes

Issues with option 1)
- if the carb tuning or anything else goes wrong with one cylinder, you risk blowing the crankcase and the other.
- when one propeller cavitates, the power will go to the other, thus impairing handling. (this boat will run in open sea)
- weight distribution is not optimal, as both pipes stick out one side.

Issues with option 2)
- I will have to design and build a bespoke engine mount.
- there could be power output differences between the two engines, but it should remain within 5%

What do you think?



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RE: apache owners - 9/27/2010 9:37 PM   
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RE: apache owners - 9/27/2010 9:45 PM   
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RE: apache owners - 9/28/2010 3:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, I know you guys have seen this model before but I know you guys like pictures.  Don't rush me please, I am trying to finish my house and get moved, I like a month but it may be the end of the year before I get my garage set back up and ready to complete my Apache.  I hope to score some drivers, equipment for Christmas. This is a 57" Aeromarine Apache.  Found on ebay for $200.00 total.



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RE: apache owners - 9/28/2010 10:57 AM   
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Yes, actually it was an option I considered, but I wish to keep the COG and weight low...

Single modded zen will have her over high 40s easy,almost all my customers run these engines and almost all are arround 48 and over,im sure 60 is possible as the one that did 56.3 mph was its first time in the water.Best motor so far has been the zen 7 from prestwich ,bags of power and reliable.
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RE: apache owners - 9/29/2010 10:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Adriano, why did the Blata idea get canned? I thought that in concert with a nice trimax set up would have been great. Maybe the steerable one that RCMK is comming out with.

Wannagofast, thanks for the video of yours running. Got me excited to get mine done. Home bound right now anyway, thats how I found the time to be on here anyway. Truck is in the shop costing me thousands. Kind of ironic how I just bragged about what a great truck it is on another thread.

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RE: apache owners - 9/29/2010 11:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		hi Mate,

Sorry to hear about your truck, I hope it will fix soon, and won't be too expensive!

I dumped the Blata solution when I learnt about the new RMCK S520 was coming out, with Evo cylinders. This is more power at less weight, that's all!

I didn't know RMCK was coming out with a new steerable drive! This is very interesting. I have placed the order, but am still in time to add!
First thing in the morning I will ask them about it.

MHZ has put the Z-drive out of production, and will not guarantee service parts for the only 4 items left in stock.
Till this moment I was thinking of using the WD200 steerable drives.
I will use a WD200 gearbox, with +16% ratio.

The reasons for using double drives are two:
- I am using the boat in open sea, and need stability.
- scale.

Do you have any further info/pictures of the RCMK steerable drives?

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RE: apache owners - 9/30/2010 12:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Adriano
That steerable trimax style drive from RCMK is still in the development stage I believe. Mr Parks  keeps everyone updated on his products on the Boatdock.
I just like the idea of the Blata for its simplicity and proven track record. But it is a little big isn't it? This RCMK twin is the nicest one I've seen so far, and I hope they got all the bugs worked out of it. Multiple pipes,carb and carbs and linkages put me off a little still. Then again I'm not as mechanically inclined as you.
Mech. just called, truck is ready with a $2300.oo bill. There goes my boat money again. Damn!!!!!!

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RE: apache owners - 9/30/2010 12:32 AM   
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2300 is Steep!!
What was wrong with the beast?

I will drop an email to Mr. Park tomorrow and see.
Yes, I am inclined to mechanics... Will try to make a great job out of this one, as I want to present it to the owner of Cigarette racing. Family friends over here have had the licence to build Cigarette boats for Europe for the last 20yrs...
Cooling pipes in copper and all the rest, I will try to make a beauty replica of the new Cigarette AMG boat featured at the Miami Boat Show, the one in my avatar.
It won't be 100% scale, because I cannot find Z drives that are backed up by guarantee!



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RE: apache owners - 9/30/2010 1:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		Why are they stopping production on the drive??  Price = no sales?  I really wanted those.  I don't really want to buy them if they are not going to guarantee parts or servive.  Looks like I may have to stick with the basic plan.  Strut rudder combo.  Or maybe this new RCMK drive you are talking about.  Is there a link to this RCMK drive?



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Sorry to hear about your truck, I hope it will fix soon, and won't be too expensive!

I dumped the Blata solution when I learnt about the new RMCK S520 was coming out, with Evo cylinders. This is more power at less weight, that's all!

I didn't know RMCK was coming out with a new steerable drive! This is very interesting. I have placed the order, but am still in time to add!
First thing in the morning I will ask them about it.

MHZ has put the Z-drive out of production, and will not guarantee service parts for the only 4 items left in stock.
Till this moment I was thinking of using the WD200 steerable drives.
I will use a WD200 gearbox, with +16% ratio.

The reasons for using double drives are two:
- I am using the boat in open sea, and need stability.
- scale.

Do you have any further info/pictures of the RCMK steerable drives?



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RE: apache owners - 9/30/2010 3:05 AM   
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RE: apache owners - 9/30/2010 3:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		Those wd200 sterable drives are nice seen them in person but was told that you need a big boat to run them as the really through the little boat all over the place. Boat probably bigger than 65" I was told to run a two of them though a single one maybe be different?

Apache1 thanks ya the boat is running pretty well my brother had it up to 46mph the other day. Love it so far.


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RE: apache owners - 9/30/2010 10:43 AM   
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Those wd200 sterable drives are nice seen them in person but was told that you need a big boat to run them as the really through the little boat all over the place. Boat probably bigger than 65" I was told to run a two of them though a single one maybe be different?


I think this is a very good observation, was thinking the same! Infact, the lengh of the drive is of 233mm (180mm to the beginning of the propzone). That is more that 10% lengh of any hull under 180cm (70 inch).

There are some technical rules (can't find them now) that give you the basics of how far away from transom the propellers have to lay in the water (for a given type of hull). Then again, this is a test and trial process that even real boat builders go thru at every new hull.

In my experience, Apache and other Deep V hulls have always had propellers quite colse to the transom, in order to maintain a constant lift of the boat's bow, even at high speeds.

There is another Steerable Strut from WD200, that technically complies better (overall lengh 130mm, about 90-100 to the propzone).
The fact is that with this strut, you do not have trim. This is a negligible problem, as with surface piercing drives the propeller trim attitude has very little influence on the hull's attitude. The trim tabs do that job.

Here it is, and it's even cheaper!  http://www.wd200-modellbau.de/?Antriebe%2FDrives:Lenkstrut

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RE: apache owners - 9/30/2010 11:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		Beg to differ,prop angle makes a huge difference to how these hulls run,even 1 degree up or down will make all the difference between running wet and running on the edge.As ive said many times i dont use trim tabs on any of my hulls and several of my customers have realised these hulls just dont need them.Of course if you want a scale look then tabs wont hurt and on the sea they may help more but when im fine tuning my hull all i use is prop angle and rudder angle,you would be surprised what just moving the rudder in or out will do to the boats ride attitude also.Also Apaches have no problems with lift if they are balanced correctly the strakes on the bottom create more than enough.
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RE: apache owners - 9/30/2010 12:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, what I can say is that if the boat is sensitive to the prop trim angle, it is working more submerged than surface piercing. Then again, there are loads of variables, these models are so small that placing the drive 2-3 mm's up or lower on the transom, or added weight would both translate in the difference of how the prop works (submerged or surface piercing).
Concerning the rudder, we are discussing double steerable drives, so that is not applicable to this discussion mate.

Thank you for your precious insights, this shows me how attentive I must be in the boat balancing and drive positionning!
Fortunnately I have help from a mate here, that is one of the few authorized (real) Arneson testers in Europe.

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RE: apache owners - 9/30/2010 12:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		By the way, RCMK just confirmed that their steerable drives are still under development, they will post them on their online shop when ready, no idea of when!

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RE: apache owners - 9/30/2010 1:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Think of it this way angle the prop down the thrust is going down pushing the transom up and the bow goes down angle it the oposite way reverse happens its just basic physics really.I dont know how well these boats will run with twin drives with all the extra weight that goes with it,me personally i would go with a single one but thats my opinion as i like to keep things simple.I know you want to replicate the real thing and im sure it will look great,will look forward to seeing how well she runs.My coments regards the rudder are relevant to this thread as its discussing Apaches .
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RE: apache owners - 10/3/2010 6:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		Man, I am all mixed up.  The MHZ Z drive is currently on hold, I am reading the WD200 steerable strut is better for larger boats over 65", mine is 57", and what is the link to the RCMK drive you guys are talking about?  I am so confused about what I want to run on my boat.  I always had good luck with the Ware House Hobbies SPD3 and dual rudders.  I like the Prestwich 7 hp Zenoah for the price not bad.

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